[Freedos-kernel] Will retire the freedos-kernel email list
Hi freedos-kernel developers: I think everyone on this email list is also on freedos-devel, so you probably have seen the discussion there about the different communication channels for FreeDOS. We obviously use the freedos-devel and freedos-user email lists. But the freedos-kernel list is not used very much. Looking at the archive, this hasn't seen more than a few emails per *year* in the last several years. Because of the light traffic, let's consolidate our developer discussions! The freedos-kernel email list will be closed this week. Instead, please use the freedos-devel email list to discuss any FreeDOS kernel development topics. Thanks! Jim ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list Freedos-kernel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] Re: DELTREE gets error 5 for directories since 2035a
Oops ... should have checked that more closely before posting. Eric is not the maintainer, of course. I've moved Eric's 1.02f into a subdir on ibiblio, and I'll try to reach Raster to see if this can become an official release of 1.02f. -jh Jim Hall wrote: Eric, I've mirrored your DELTREE 1.02f at ibiblio: http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/deltree/ I'll also update the LSM database. Feel free to make an announcement on the FreeDOS.org page, if you want it announced there. -jh Eric Auer wrote: Hi, Lucho pointed out that DELTREE got error 5 because it had code which does if OEM ID is 0FDh and CX is 0 or -1, then explicitly exclude the DIR attribute when resetting file attribs in preparation of deletion. This code is triggered by 2035a as it sets CX to 0, which is needed by 32RTM DOS extender. The -1 value marked VERY old DOS-C / FreeDOS kernels which needed the special DELTREE behaviour to avoid directories becoming files (oops)... The solution is two-part: The http://fdos.org/kernel/ page has kernels which ignore dir attribute access when you change file attributes (although it is common and okay to just respond with error 5, as 2035a does), and I have a patched version of DELTREE (which also is a bit smaller, less than 3 kB UPXed) which works with kernel 2035a. No reply from Raster about it yet, strange... http://www.coli.uni-sb.de/~eric/deltree-1.02f.zip (temporary location) Eric -- I'm sorry my president's an idiot. I didn't vote for him. --- SF email is sponsored by - The IT Product Guide Read honest candid reviews on hundreds of IT Products from real users. Discover which products truly live up to the hype. Start reading now. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=6595alloc_id=14396op=click ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list Freedos-kernel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] Fwd: GRUB for DOS and FreeDOS
Kenneth J. Davis wrote: Jim Hall wrote: I'm forwarding this for Wengier. Since the current FreeDOS kernel seems incompatible with this version of GRUB for DOS, I'm not sure if I should post a note about it on the FreeDOS web site (I'm concerned that too many avid Linux/Windows/FreeDOS multi-boot users would try to use it, and make their systems unbootable.) I would prefer you not since this is a bug against the development kernel (as noted by the w [work in progress]), but if the bug is also valid against the stable series, then your call. Agreed. I'll not post an announcement for it. -jh -- _ I'm sorry my president's an idiot. I didn't vote for him. --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by: Beat the post-holiday blues Get a FREE limited edition SourceForge.net t-shirt from ThinkGeek. It's fun and FREE -- well, almosthttp://www.thinkgeek.com/sfshirt ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list Freedos-kernel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] GCC Compiler
ADE If so, where can I get it? AFAIR, www.delorie.com? For the OP, the DOS version is http://www.delorie.com/djgpp/ -jh -- _ I'm sorry my president's an idiot. I didn't vote for him. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: Sybase ASE Linux Express Edition - download now for FREE LinuxWorld Reader's Choice Award Winner for best database on Linux. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=5588alloc_id=12065op=click ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] Updated unstable kernel patches and binary
... P.S. After sending the above message, I got the following auto-reply: Your mail to 'Freedos-kernel' with the subject Updated unstable kernel patches and binary Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval. The reason it is being held: Message body is too big: 76015 bytes but there's a limit of 40 KB Either the message will get posted to the list, or you will receive notification of the moderator's decision. I don't know who is that moderator, but obviously I can't send the kernel binary. So here's the patch only. Now you know about the limitation. 40 KB must be a SACRED number EVEN for SourceForge! I'm the moderator of the FreeDOS lists. So your message was held until I could get into the system and deal with it. 40kb is a good number to set the limit, and I don't mind that SF did that for all lists. I often get a number of virus/spam emails around 49kb, so 40kb limits the number of spams viruses that make it to the FreeDOS lists. What you don't see is that I have to deal with a number of administrative requests each week (usually about one a day) where a virus has been sent to the FreeDOS lists, and it's over the 40kb limit. Yes, a few viruses/spams make it to the list because they are smaller than 40kb, but trust me - it's _much_ fewer than the ones I have to deal with on the administrative requests page. So increasing the limit beyond 40kb to allow larger patches to be submitted would also increase the number of spams/viruses that make it onto the list. And I don't think anyone wants that. :-) -jh -- _ This email message has been automatically encrypted using ROT-26. --- SF.Net email is sponsored by Shop4tech.com-Lowest price on Blank Media 100pk Sonic DVD-R 4x for only $29 -100pk Sonic DVD+R for only $33 Save 50% off Retail on Ink Toner - Free Shipping and Free Gift. http://www.shop4tech.com/z/Inkjet_Cartridges/9_108_r285 ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] daily tarballs no longer daily
Bart Oldeman wrote: Cron was disabled on SF, see http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=2352group_id=1 so the daily tarballs are no longer that (in fact the last one is from July 12). Somebody would have to manually update or run a cron job from an outside machine. Or just wait until SF sorts out the problem. Well, that explains why the http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freedos.html mirror hasn't been working. I had to manually run the update last night to re-sync it. -jh -- _ This email message has been automatically encrypted using ROT-26. NOTE: I WILL BE AWAY FROM EMAIL (ON VACATION) AUG 6-24. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by OSTG. Have you noticed the changes on Linux.com, ITManagersJournal and NewsForge in the past few weeks? Now, one more big change to announce. We are now OSTG- Open Source Technology Group. Come see the changes on the new OSTG site. www.ostg.com ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] commit - UNSTABLE
Jeremy: The [EMAIL PROTECTED] alias is still pointed at Bart. Did you want me to change it to point to you? -jh -- _ This email message has been automatically encrypted using ROT-26. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] commit - UNSTABLE
Jim Hall wrote: Jeremy: The [EMAIL PROTECTED] alias is still pointed at Bart. Did you want me to change it to point to you? -jh Oops. Maybe I should have sent that just to Jeremy Bart. :-) -jh -- _ This email message has been automatically encrypted using ROT-26. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by BEA Weblogic Workshop FREE Java Enterprise J2EE developer tools! Get your free copy of BEA WebLogic Workshop 8.1 today. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=4721alloc_id=10040op=click ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] Kernel bug parade / moving on
I think this kind of bug list would best appear on the 'FreeDOS @ SourceForge' page, since it directly relates to the kernel. Eric: would you like me to add you to that project on SF so you can create/maintain this page yourself? -jh Eric Auer wrote: Hi, while we have no real kernel maintainer right now (I assume Jeremy can at most find enough time to upload patches submitted by others, not for doing coding / testing himself), I think it would be good to review some old bugs before we move on to do new optimizations. Of course now that Arkady already has optimized things: If no new bugs get introduced those patches can of course be added. But I think we should focus on a bit of bug testing and fixing now for a while. I hope there are people on the list who can test some of the issues (i.e. have the affected type of software / hardware around!). Bugzilla URLs all look like http://www.freedos.org/bugs/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id= where is the number of the bug in question (no leading zeroes). You can also use the http://www.europa.sp.nl/campagne2004/waakhond.shtml page to get a list of all bugs (just select a sort by and submit the form as-is) and http://www.freedos.org/bugs/bugzilla/ (just enter a bug number - you actually can NOT enter search terms in the latter form! Now for the bugs. If you are able to test a bug, please do so. [...] Maybe we could put a technote online with this list or something? Some of the abovementioned bugs are very exotic, so we may have to search the world for testers who can reproduce the described bug triggering conditions... and most normal people will not read the whole bugzilla system when they find the FreeDOS homepage and have a glance at the project status. -- _ This email message has been automatically encrypted using ROT-26. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the new InstallShield X. From Windows to Linux, servers to mobile, InstallShield X is the one installation-authoring solution that does it all. Learn more and evaluate today! http://www.installshield.com/Dev2Dev/0504 ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] Re: Reference compiler / changing the spec
is it something like the bible, or should it be something reflecting (intended) reality ? I suggest that it describes reality, but that original intentions are not removed but just marked as obsoleted. I think, that a spec should describe the projects intention. and it's certainly not the kernels intention to be compilable with any compiler. the intention is to build a MSDOS compatible kernel; use the approriate tools (free if possible) Yes. See my other message in the original thread: The original intent was to have the Spec reflect what people actually _use_ so that when a new developer comes into the project, he/she will know what tools to use when contributing to FreeDOS (such as OW for C compiler, etc.) When the Spec was first written, no open tools (suitable for 16bit deployment) were available. However, pretty much everyone on the FreeDOS lists had (or was already using) TurboC or Borland C, so TC/BC were listed as the standard. Same thing for assembly, except that's changed now too. I'll try to get all of fd-doc updated very soon now. The Spec will be my first goal. -jh -- _ This email message has been automatically encrypted using ROT-26. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by Sleepycat Software Learn developer strategies Cisco, Motorola, Ericsson Lucent use to deliver higher performing products faster, at low TCO. http://www.sleepycat.com/telcomwpreg.php?From=osdnemail3 ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] cvs refresh
Arkady V.Belousov wrote: Hi! 24--2004 17:05 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bart Oldeman) wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED]: BO Date: Sat, 24 Apr 2004 17:05:18 +0100 (BST) When latest patches will be reflected in CVS snapshot on site (kernel.tgz?)? I wish to check how they are applied in complete. BO every day at 10am GMT How GMT relates to UTC (which TZ)? I mean, how GMT relates to my MSK TZ (which is currently +4 to UTC)? Arkady: Your time zone is GMT+0400. So at 10am GMT, it is 2pm in your TZ. -jh -- _ This email message has been automatically encrypted using ROT-26. --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: The Robotic Monkeys at ThinkGeek For a limited time only, get FREE Ground shipping on all orders of $35 or more. Hurry up and shop folks, this offer expires April 30th! http://www.thinkgeek.com/freeshipping/?cpg=12297 ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] patch: batch and make files (description)
At least one of your emails was trapped by the SF mail system until I was able to free it this morning. Emails may not be over 40k in length, or else they are held until the list owner (me) accepts or rejects them (a manual process.) -jh Arkady V.Belousov wrote: Hi! [Don't know what happen, but SF silently ignores/losts my letters. B-E Second day: one was saturday, second was today. Not funny. Below _repost_ of my letter with new patch from today, monday.] New updates for my patches. Because I already remove intermediate files, there present diff file not to my last patch, but to files, as patched by Bart. - buildall.bat, clean.bat: not all DELs was NULed. - config.b: comment for NASM updated by request of Bernd. :) - kernel\makefile: not all individual rules was present (asmsupt.asm), not all dependencies was present (eg, segs.inc for irqstack.asm). - kernel\nls_load.c: removed. PS: config.h also may be removed, because it is dummy (for this only required to remove reference in globals.h). When (and if!) it will be required, it may be added back. PS2: kernel\nls\001-437.hc is desynced with kernel\nls_hc.asm. PS3: header files in globals.h and init-mode.h included in different order. PS4: repeat for my previous question: why to duplicate clean and clobber? Another one: who make files status.me, *.cod, *.las? -- _ This email message has been automatically encrypted using ROT-26. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470alloc_id=3638op=click ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] re: someone should check his system for a real VIRUS
Eric Auer wrote: Hi Tom, you are completely wrong about that virus. That it SEEMS to come from Bart, Joe, MartinS, Brian, Jeremy, ... only means that SOMEBODY is infected who knows all their addresses. Modern viruses scan the system for addresses and randomly select one address as target and another one as FAKE sender. Yes, that is what Tom is saying. Someone out there with all those addresses in his/her addressbook (or in IE browser cache) is sending MyDoom virus emails, and Tom is getting some of those. By the way, QUESTION: On non-Intel chipsets, UMBPCI UMBs are often not cached at all (i.e. not only write-through but completely uncached). UMBPCI.txt recommends not to let Windows load performance-critical data into UMBs for that reason. [...] BTW - it's really irritating to have a second, unrelated topic in these emails. If the subject does not apply to me, I tend to skip over the thread. So I might have missed your comments, which were tacked on the end of your reply to Tom. I suspect there are other users who have skipped over this thread, and didn't see your comments at all. Please do a courtesy and don't include lots of unrelated things in your emails. It makes it harder to see them, and to reply to them. -jh -- Currently playing: DDR:Max2, SSX Tricky, RatchetClank, Sly Cooper Favorite DDR dance: Break Down (Be For U) --- The SF.Net email is sponsored by EclipseCon 2004 Premiere Conference on Open Tools Development and Integration See the breadth of Eclipse activity. February 3-5 in Anaheim, CA. http://www.eclipsecon.org/osdn ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
