Re: [Freedos-kernel] Patch: ZIP media change not detected bug fix
Bart, > Or is it really handled via the BIOS as > drive A: or drive C:? > My PC allows for ZIP to be set as first boot device. IF a disk is in it during bootup it is seen as C: -or- If I use Iomega's DOS level drivers & GUEST.EXE program on a bootable floppy disk in A: AND a disk is in the ZIP drive, then my ZIP drive gets assigned C: -or- If NO disk is in ZIP drive, then it's NOT seen nor recognized by anything. -Or- If no disk but Iomega DOS level drivers & GUEST.EXE loaded, then any disk ZIP disk gets assigned D: This is an EIDE ZIP 100 drive, NOT a SCSI or other type, on ATA2 as slave.fwiw. -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 http://www.virtual-access.org --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot
Arkady, > Jim, please, retest with latest bootfix version (1.3) - now it analyzes > not only default, but also current BPB. > Zip file sent to you. > beta9rc4 is outdated > and definitely should be updated. > Considering comments by Luchezar G, there's something wrong on the server I got that ISO image off of. Perhaps it's dishing out old cached copies of 2.9 not current build. > This (error in creating C:\KERNEL.SYS by SYS) is, probably, result of > running SYS under older kernel? I think, if you now boot under newer kernel, > then this error will disappear. > THAT particular error WAS under newest build 2033_32. I got it after booting off of such a floppy disk created by that build. -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 http://www.virtual-access.org --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot
Eric,
> I think we should be able to boot from ZIP FAT32
>
We can! We can!!!
See my latest reply to Arkady.
Off to do a happy dance!!!
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot
Arkady, > About making FAT32 Zip diskette bootable: > > 1. get latest SYS version (comes with kernel, available at freedos.sf.net). > 2. apply SYS to diskette (under latest kernel). > 3. try to boot. > I got kernel 2033_32 and used INSTALL.BAT to create a FreeDOS bootable floppy. Altered CONFIG.SYS so I could load Iomega's ZIP drivers. Applied SYS C: transferring system files to C: ZIP-100 disk(FAT32) Rebooted, reset BIOS bootup sequence to ZIP-100 as first boot devise. Booted fine! Note; this particular ZIP disk WAS FAT32 before transferring system files. Note; This disk remains seen as FAT32 under WinXP Files in [JLilly.zip]; Result - done prior to transferring system files (when ZIP-100 was still FAT 32 & NOT bootable) reslt2 - done after transferring system files. ZIP disk now bootable screen01.bmp - fdisk /info screen capture screen02.bmp - fdisk /status screen capture screen03.bmp - fdisk /dump screen capture (AFTER system files were transferred) screen04.bmp - SYS C: screen capture of system files transfer to a FAT32 ZIP-100 disk, prepped by SpinRite. Was unbootable. But after system files transfer is now bootable. Note errors captured on screen. -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 http://www.virtual-access.org --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot
Arkady, > But earlier you say, that you test BOOTFIX under FreeDOS and access Zip > as C:? > Probably when I'd used SR, booted off it, then switched diskettes. I'm beginning to get a bit overwhelmed with all of this. Maybe I'll tinker around some more tonight, before giving up. -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 http://www.virtual-access.org --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot
Arkady,
> 1. get latest SYS version (comes with kernel, available at freedos.sf.net)
>
Hmm, when I go to http://freedos.sourceforge.net/ I'm presented with a
bunch of choices. Do you mean for me to get;
kernel 2032?
http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=312180
kernel 2033?
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/freedos/ke2033_32.zip?download
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot
Arkady, > Moreover, if MS-FORMAT allows to format 100 Mb as FAT32 (and > XP works with it flawlessly?), then this should be accepted by us also. > But it doesn't work 'flawlessly'. I can read/write/copy/move/delete to - from a ZIP-100 FAT32 disk, but it is NOT bootable. > Do you mean, that > > - XP formats to FAT16 and makes bootable: diskette boots > - XP formats to FAT32 and makes bootable: diskette bot boots > > ? > No. - XP formats to FAT16 and can be made bootable: diskette boots - XP formats to FAT32: diskette is NOT bootable I'm using SR to transfer the FreeDOS boot info to the ZIP disks. > No, DOS doesn't used for "formatting functions", DOS is only host OS > (for program) and it may present file system information for application. > I* should correct that. In using SR to prep a ZIP-100 disk, it states; Retrieve previous boot sector from media Install FreeDOS boot sector onto media -then- A SpinRite bootable operating system has been successfully installed on drive X: It's not a FreeDOS formatting issue, but a FreeDOS boot-sector issue apparently. Like I said from the start, I'm NOT a programmer. Just a user & am going to be busy this week with real life & not have much more time to tinker with all of this. -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 http://www.virtual-access.org --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot
Luchezar, > Does the bootstrap from FreeDOS fail? If > so, it's because of the bad boot sector. > Exactly! > If > so, it's because of the bad boot sector. Does FORMAT under FreeDOS fail? > No! > Undetermined, not "No!" But I'll check. -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 http://www.virtual-access.org --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot
Luchezar, > You need to make a CONFIG.SYS (device=iomega_driver_name) > Will do. > (Do you mean that IOMEGA still really support DOS??? ;-) > Nothing NEW, but older DOS/Win 3.1 drivers for 'guest' are available in their archives. -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 http://www.virtual-access.org --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot
Luchezar,
> Have you tried such a driver in MS-DOS or FreeDOS?
>
I'll setup a DOS bootdisk as such.
How is such done with a FreeDOS boot floppy?
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot
Luchezar, > FreeDOS formatting tool is FORMAT currently maintained by Eric Auer. Why > don't you try to use FORMAT on your ZIP first? > I would if I could, but FreeDOS doesn't 'see' the ZIP drive, it only sees A: & the CDROM. Therefore FreeDOS won't allow me to do anything to my ZIP drive. > By the way, doesn't IOMEGA recommend that only their tools be used for > formatting ZIP disks? > Correct, which I only found out about this morning. > Perhaps ZIPs are somewhat non-standard and / or picky about the tools used > to deal with them? > Perhaps you missed this; http://makeashorterlink.com/?K379136B7 " Should I format my Jaz or Zip disk with FAT32? Answer Iomega® does not support nor recommend the use of FAT32 formatting with Zip® or Jaz® disks. Warning: Data integrity maybe an issue using FAT32 formatting. Iomega recommends formatting Zip and Jaz disks with the IomegaWare software format option." -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 http://www.virtual-access.org --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???
Arkady, > - v2.9 is outdated (old kernel). > Might be, but it's what's on. http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/beta 9rc4/fdbootcd.zip Also note; THAT CD of FreeDOS did NOT 'see' anything but the CDROM & Floppy drivesno ZIP, no HD. > - You can't use SYS (and any other programs, which directly access disks) > under NT/2k/XP. > HDD's, true. But as I stated earlier, WinXP throws up an error message because I'm trying to directly access hardware, but I'm allowed to ignore & proceed. Probably because that ZIP drive is recognized as a 'removable disk' and not a true HD. -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 http://www.virtual-access.org --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot
Arkady, > Which OS you was use for tests? > FreeDOS > Which software you use to prepare > (format) these ZIP diskettes? > WinXP Pro initially, SpinRite for the one ZIP disk. > Also, disk geometry in boot record differs from one, reported by OS. > This is, probably, not very important (in given case), but who knows. Also, > as sayed by volume label, first disk (which is consistent) is from SPINRITE > package (or formated by SPINRITE :). > SpinRite uses FreeDOS. > Completely incorrect results: boot records says, that this is FAT32, > whereas OS says, that this is FAT16. Any file write should be dangerous. > > Looks like this diskette was prepared by NT-family (XP?) - boot sector > mentions NTLDR. > Correct. WinXP Pro (incorrectly) allows me to set format of ZIP-100 disks to FAT32, which ends up non-bootable. SpinRite which uses FreeDOS incorrectly 'claims' to have successfully formatted such FAT32 ZIP-100 disks.yet fail to boot. THAT is the focal point of troubles with FreeDOS I'm having. SpinRite uses FreeDOS for it's formatting functions. Under WinXP Pro, a ZIP- 100 (incorrectly) formatted as FAT32 is NOT getting correctly formatted. Shouldn't it (SR/FreeDOS) give an error message about incorrect file format/ bad bootsector? It does IF the ZIP-100 is formatted as NTFS. > JL> OddErrors.BMP - on screen goofy errors after I got (bootsect32.bmp) > JL> error. > If you test this under FreeDOS, you should report this to Steffen Kaiser, > author of command.com. > What's his e-mail address? -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 http://www.virtual-access.org --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???
Arkady, http://makeashorterlink.com/?K379136B7 " Should I format my Jaz or Zip disk with FAT32? Answer Iomega® does not support nor recommend the use of FAT32 formatting with Zip® or Jaz® disks. Warning: Data integrity maybe an issue using FAT32 formatting. Iomega recommends formatting Zip and Jaz disks with the IomegaWare software format option." WinXP wrongly allows me to format a ZIP-100 disk as FAT32, which ends up NOT bootable. Iomega ONLY recommends FAT & NOT FAT32 for ZIP/JAZZ disks. My conclusion then, is this; 1) MS's suggested minimum FAT32 partition size is 512MB 2) As a true HD, mathematically, 33MB is minimum for FAT32 partitions. 3) As a removable drive (ZIP/JAZZ) Iomega recommends ONLY FAT & NOT FAT 32for such disks. Only issue I'd wonder about, is why does FreeDOS claims to have succeeded in formatting a ZIP 100 disk (formatted as FAT32) when in actual use such a disk fails to be bootable? I'll test that some more, today if I get a chance. -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 http://www.virtual-access.org --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???
Luchezar,
> In any case, ZIP disks must be formatted with FAT16 and nothing else.
>
Yep, just had the link to Iomega stating that sent to me.
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???
Luchezar,
> If I remember correctly, FAT32 volumes must be at least 128 MB in size.
>
Where might I read up on that info?
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???
Luchezar,
> FAT32 volumes must be at least 128 MB in size.
>
HWinXP doesn't seem to know that.
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???
Steve, > You really should be doing all of this stuff from a successful boot of some > stable DOS system ... and definitely outside of Windows XP. > That's for tomorrow morning, I'm getting ready to hit the sack. But I did want to try several approaches from within WinXP first, as your new tool would be doing eventually. > If you can burn a CD-R, grab a FreeDOS ISO and burn it then boot it ... or > if not, but you have a diskette drive, grab the diskette .IMG file and > write it to a floppy ... > I grabbed both. Will hammer on it again tomorrow. -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 http://www.virtual-access.org --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???
Arkady,
In prior message, ZIP disk was formatted FAT. Tried again with one as
FAT32 & get same message.
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Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???
Arkady, > Yes, something is wrong. > I tried the only updating the boot sector using FreeDOS' SYS and got; D:\Download\FreeDOS>sys X: BOOTONLY FreeDOS System Installer v2.9, Sep 24 2003 Processing boot sector... Reading old bootsector from drive X: Divide overflow WinXP throws up an error message because I'm trying to directly access hardware, but I'm allowed to ignore & proceed. -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 http://www.virtual-access.org --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???
Arkady, > This is FAT16, so FAT size here should > be 190 sectors. > Hmmm, THAT particular disk should have been FAT32or I got confused. > Under which OS you run BOOTFIX? > WinXP Pro, and it's HD is NTFS....fwiw. -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 http://www.virtual-access.org --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???
Eric, > "inline" for easier discussion > Also, per your request I try copybs; > could you try with COPYBS from the SYSLINUX package? > Whether the ZIP disk is FAT -or- FAT32 formatted, I get; D:\Download>copybs X: logfile.txt ERROR: Boot sector read failed I tried two different ZIP 100 disks, one does bootup (FAT) the other ( FAT32) doesn't. -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 http://www.virtual-access.org --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???
Arkady, > run for A: > (you ZIP disk mapped as A:?) with option /d: "BOOTFIX /d a:>result". Then > send result for me for analyzing. > Actually mine is set as X: Attached is [result] file -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 http://www.virtual-access.org result Description: Binary data
[Freedos-kernel] FAT - FAT32 - SYS boot code testing???
All, What needs to be tested in the areas of FAT32 SYS booting code? I've found FreeDOS hangs in booting off a ZIP 100 IDE disk formatted FAT32, but boots fine off another ZIP disk formatted as FAT. I'm NOT a programmer, but am looking to help in testing. -- Jim Lilly - Team Z http://www.zonelabs.com/store/content/company/teamzBios.jsp Using - Virtual Access(OLR), ZAP 4.5, & WinXP Pro w/SP1 http://www.virtual-access.org --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
