Re: [Freedos-kernel] NOT PUBLIC DOMAIN
Hello Pat, Eric, and everyone else, Clarification: Formerly, Ikon was sold as an OS (for a short period from September to November this year), with the FreeDOS kernel and some other GPL code included in binary form. The source for GPL programs was available as a separate download. The Ikon GUI was later offered as public domain software (this month), without details of how much was included. This was the author's omission. I downloaded it and found that it does NOT contain anything but the Ikon GUI, in binary and source forms. In other words, the GPL code has been removed (I believe it all is standard FreeDOS software, including kernel and CRYNWR packet drivers) in order to offer only the author's software. The notice said simply that the author was releasing the Ikon GUI into the public domain, and switching to a Haiku-based distro (with the same name). Anyone wishing to continue development is welcome to, provided that they DO NOT use the same name. So, I apologize for not being clearer. However, my main point was asking about the possibility of including size opimizations as build options in the kernel, and mentioning the cross-linked files issue. Additionally, I mentioned that whether a Linux distro uses a real VFAT filesystem is dependent on what the kernel builders want, so working around the hack is not necessarily top priority. Thank you, Ibidem -- Join us December 9, 2009 for the Red Hat Virtual Experience, a free event focused on virtualization and cloud computing. Attend in-depth sessions from your desk. Your couch. Anywhere. http://p.sf.net/sfu/redhat-sfdev2dev ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list Freedos-kernel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
[Freedos-kernel] NOT PUBLIC DOMAIN (was Re: Possible size optimizations, kernel build 2039 bug in tracker)
Allow me to make this perfectly clear: the FreeDOS kernel * IS NOT PUBLIC DOMAIN* and will never be. Please do not spread such rumors. Just to make mys elf perfectly clear, the FreeDOS kernel *IS NOT PUBLIC DOMAIN*. In fact, unless a package has documentation that says it is public domain, make no assumptions of its copyright. Any package in FreeDOS, unless so deemed by its author, *IS NOT PUBLIC DOMAIN*. Pat On Fri, Nov 27, 2009 at 11:33 PM, ibid...@lavabit.com wrote: Hello all, 1. I saw a bug in the tracker ( http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detailaid=2901916group_id=5109atid=105109 ) regarding creation of cross-linked files on FAT32; this bug is new in 2039/not present in 2038. Seems to be very serious, but perhaps rare. 2. Size optimizations again Could nonls be re-enabled, since 2039 OW/UPX kernels seem to be about 2-4 kb larger than 2038.? Also, could the LFN helper api be commented out of the default build? The code in question is not current (reserves 3 fnodes, when only 2 are presently in use), and it is only a backend for an unwritten TSR. Would anyone be interested seeing the no-hd patches (and related stuff) merged into the tree as a build option (eg build fat16 nohd)? For what it's worth, this sounds like CD and _perhaps_ USB drivers would work, but not native USB boot (emulates HD), flash chips, or any bios drivers that don't use a floppy or floppy emulation. But we have two people who use it...Are there any more? Thanks, Ibidem PS- I looked up the Linux VFAT patent-avoidance patch (hack), and it seems to be less critical than I thought: It is a patch that enables a build configuration option (not identified). If the Linux kernel config does not show this option, it was not applied; if it shows the hack as not enabled, the code was not used. OFFTOPIC: JaguiD (Java with GUI for DOS) might be worth testing; the Ikon GUI, offered commercially this fall as an OS with some (unspecified) FreeDOS kernel, is now public domain/unmaintained--it should work with FreeDOS. -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list Freedos-kernel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Freedos-kernel mailing list Freedos-kernel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] NOT PUBLIC DOMAIN (was Re: Possible size optimizations, kernel build 2039 bug in tracker)
Hi Pat, Allow me to make this perfectly clear: the FreeDOS kernel *IS NOT PUBLIC DOMAIN* and will never be. Please do not spread such rumors. I do not see such rumors but... OFFTOPIC: JaguiD (Java with GUI for DOS) might be worth testing; the Ikon GUI, offered commercially this fall as an OS with some (unspecified) FreeDOS kernel, is now public domain/unmaintained --it should work with FreeDOS. Well only the GUI is public domain, but if their download still contains some unspecified FreeDOS kernel then you could ask them to make licensing clear on their page and in their download. If you sense a GPL violation, you can ask Shane for advice, he is an expert for handling that. Eric -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list Freedos-kernel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] NOT PUBLIC DOMAIN (was Re: Possible size optimizations, kernel build 2039 bug in tracker)
Thank you. I will follow through on that. Pat On Sat, Nov 28, 2009 at 8:26 AM, Eric Auer e.a...@jpberlin.de wrote: Hi Pat, Allow me to make this perfectly clear: the FreeDOS kernel *IS NOT PUBLIC DOMAIN* and will never be. Please do not spread such rumors. I do not see such rumors but... OFFTOPIC: JaguiD (Java with GUI for DOS) might be worth testing; the Ikon GUI, offered commercially this fall as an OS with some (unspecified) FreeDOS kernel, is now public domain/unmaintained --it should work with FreeDOS. Well only the GUI is public domain, but if their download still contains some unspecified FreeDOS kernel then you could ask them to make licensing clear on their page and in their download. If you sense a GPL violation, you can ask Shane for advice, he is an expert for handling that. Eric -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list Freedos-kernel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel -- Let Crystal Reports handle the reporting - Free Crystal Reports 2008 30-Day trial. Simplify your report design, integration and deployment - and focus on what you do best, core application coding. Discover what's new with Crystal Reports now. http://p.sf.net/sfu/bobj-july___ Freedos-kernel mailing list Freedos-kernel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel