Re: [Freedos-kernel] please change the default freecom and increase the kernel version
David O'Shea schreef: It says The UNSTABLE (aka development) branch is what I refer to as the development kernel (kernels with w suffix). It looks like those kernels actually have .dev or .dbgdev in them, right? There doesn't seem to be a discussion of the naming convention for FreeCOM. well, we have: kernel 2034, 2035 released by Bart kernel 2035A released by Jeremy kernel 2035B by Jeremy (2035A + stable features backported from 2035W) kernel 2035W by Jeremy, experimental/development line FreeCOM 0.82, 0.82patchlevel 1, 0.82pl2, 0.82pl3 by Steffen Kaiser flavour 1: XMS-swapping, 8086+ flavour 2: KSSF-swapping, 8086+ FreeCOM 0.84prerelease (CVS) by Jeremy flavour 1: XMS-swapping, 8086+, no LH, no ALIAS flavour 2: XMS-swapping, 80186+, full-featured flavour 3: KSSF-swapping, 8086+, full-featured, no binary available. I take it from the fact that we group the stable and development kernel/freecom/sys separately that you should only use a stable kernel with a stable freecom and a development kernel with a development freecom. Is this correct? Maybe we shoudl say it explicitly. We should probably also say that you can mix development and debug development files (at least I assume that that is correct). Everything may be mixed. What I'm afraid of is 80186+/80386+ binaries which somehow end up being transferred to older machines (8086). Then it might not work (kernel for example). That's why 8086-kernel and 8086-FreeCOM are provided by default. Only (major!) drawback to that is no LH functionality in FreeCOM. Bernd --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list Freedos-kernel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] please change the default freecom and increase the kernel version
Bart Oldeman schreef: To be fair I found Eric's email rather demanding. In general if you want things to happen in the NEAR future you either have to do it yourself or pay big bucks, not just pizza money. Certainly when the kernel doesn't have a real maintainer (just an interim one who does what he can when he has time). reason was for better bug reporting. People often only report the FreeDOS version, or something out of VER. Hardly ever VER /R, let alone the production date of a (CVS) kernel which can only be viewed at boottime. Personally I find it rather questionable that an unstable CVS snapshot is used for the official FreeDOS distribution, but that's just me, I would just stick with the latest official kernel version, with perhaps a few custom patches for important bug fixes, unless the (interim) maintainer has blessed the CVS as fit for general (non-developer) use. Or perhaps I'm missing something obvious, I only take a half eye on FreeDOS these days. Features. Jeremy is still working on implementing features in unstable tree as a voluntary interim maintainer (which means there's no guarantee that bugreports will be handled whatsoever), and on top of that he's also bigfixing FreeCOM, which has several severe problems. Luckily Erwin Veermans and Blair Campbell are also very capable of working with these components. None of this has been added/backported to 2035 official release or 2035A official release and then released under a brand new version number. The unstable kernel adds a lot of features not found in 2035/2035A: *NLS stuff (NLSfunc, country, display, chcp, mode) *silently working with SHSUFDRV (i-node complaints) *and a lot more things I currently can't remember, busy with study and playing World of Warcraft frequently. Bart Bernd --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list Freedos-kernel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
[Freedos-kernel] please change the default freecom and increase the kernel version
Howdy, Hi, http://fdos.org/kernel/ makes people use 8086 FreeCOM if I understand the text right. This means they will likely have no XMS swap and no LOADHIGH. In short, they will think FreeCOM is really a BAD command.com I find the site a bit confusing. It says The UNSTABLE (aka development) branch is what I refer to as the development kernel (kernels with w suffix). It looks like those kernels actually have .dev or .dbgdev in them, right? There doesn't seem to be a discussion of the naming convention for FreeCOM. I take it from the fact that we group the stable and development kernel/freecom/sys separately that you should only use a stable kernel with a stable freecom and a development kernel with a development freecom. Is this correct? Maybe we shoudl say it explicitly. We should probably also say that you can mix development and debug development files (at least I assume that that is correct). Maybe we could improve the site somehow so the user can pick from some options like their machine type (8086 vs. whatever) and language and get given a list of the various files that are applicable to them. I'd be happy to work on such a web page once I understand all the constraints :) Regards, David --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list Freedos-kernel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
Re: [Freedos-kernel] please change the default freecom and increase the kernel version
Eric Auer escreveu: Hi, http://fdos.org/kernel/ makes people use 8086 FreeCOM if I understand the text right. This means they will likely have no XMS swap and no LOADHIGH. In short, they will think FreeCOM is really a BAD command.com I agree. My other wish is using a new version number. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE call the head kernel of [some date in the NEAR future] 2036 and the unstable/devel kernel of [same date] 2037. Yes, yes,yes. I vote for a different version number for each release. Alain --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list Freedos-kernel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
[Freedos-kernel] please change the default freecom and increase the kernel version
Hi, http://fdos.org/kernel/ makes people use 8086 FreeCOM if I understand the text right. This means they will likely have no XMS swap and no LOADHIGH. In short, they will think FreeCOM is really a BAD command.com Please make the XMS SWAP 186+ FreeCOM the one which is linked at the Stable Kernel section. It is a very very big exception to have a pre-186 processor in a computer in year 2006. You should also put a download link for HIMEM on that page. My other wish is using a new version number. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE call the head kernel of [some date in the NEAR future] 2036 and the unstable/devel kernel of [same date] 2037. We are stuck with version number 2035 for over a year now, which makes it impossible to link kernel bugs to a given version number. It is absolutely pointless in bugzilla to say in SOME 2035 kernel which I downloaded at date X, we have bug Y. I cannot tell people to compare to some other version either, because then I would have to teach them how to use CVS. In that context, we can say: The newest WELL DEFINED kernel version is dated February 25 2005... http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=5109 (and the newest well defined FreeCOM version is dated Dec 14 2003) Please label any given current CVS snapshot the real 2036 / 2037 and send me the bill for the pizza which you needed to get the energy to do so ;-)). Thanks!! Eric PS: The SF page can be reached from the Project Info link. You can also find the feature request tracker there. Another not directly linked goodie is the FAQ: The start page of the Documentation Wiki links the FAQ search function ;-). --- This SF.net email is sponsored by: Splunk Inc. Do you grep through log files for problems? Stop! Download the new AJAX search engine that makes searching your log files as easy as surfing the web. DOWNLOAD SPLUNK! http://sel.as-us.falkag.net/sel?cmd=lnkkid=103432bid=230486dat=121642 ___ Freedos-kernel mailing list Freedos-kernel@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-kernel
