[Freedos-user] x-comment to Michael Devore's message of 18 March

[Jose Antonio Senna]

MD>GNU-ish type stuff suffers from the "we despise everything related to 
MD>Microsoft" and "Not Invented Here" syndromes, and its relationship with DOS 
MD>is often uneasy.  That said, DJGPP has never given me a problem when 
MD>testing recent EMM386 versions.

 I never compiled anything using DJGPP,but I found DJGPP compiled applications,
as Lynx, much less stable with EMM386 than without, to the extent I no longer
use EMM386 while running them.
 JAS




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Re: [Freedos-user] Do FreeDOS need a password program?

[Kristaps Kaupe]

> Eric said that too so working on it now, I got my freadln() working
> right, it was only retrieving one character from file and not the whole
> string, cause it to return false every time. It going to exit with users
> record number as errorlevel if successful login.

I would not like to have to write lot of "if errorlevel" for multiple users. 
It would be better for login program to set environment variable with 
username and maybe also home directory (if login file has information about 
user's home directory, if not, I could set it from autoexec.bat with "set 
HOME=C:\PROFILES\%USER%" or similar command).

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Re: [Freedos-user] Do FreeDOS need a password program?

[Christopher Evans]

Eric said that too so working on it now, I got my freadln() working 
right, it was only retrieving one character from file and not the whole 
string, cause it to return false every time. It going to exit with users 
record number as errorlevel if successful login. 

Kristaps Kaupe wrote:
Well. I would like to see a password program (running from autoexec.bat) with 
login/password database in crypted file which would set USER (logged in user) 
and HOME (user's profile directory) environment variables on exit.

Not for security (you can't have serious security with DOS), but to have 
customized settings (like keyboard layout) for each user (you can call 
%HOME%\profile.bat at the end of autoexec.bat).

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Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Compilation with DJGPP using RHIDE

[Michael Devore]

At 06:24 PM 3/18/2005 +0100, you wrote:
Not true - in Pentium and newer CPUs, you have VME, which allow
software interrupts and the interrupt enable flag to be handled
by hardware even for V86 tasks.
And following-up with a more accurate answer, no, your VME does NOT 
help.  You have to specifically add support for VME for it to make a 
difference.  VME uses a new field the TSS, the interrupt redirection bit 
map.  That definitely isn't in EMM386.

Could be interesting to add the required TSS fields and throw the VME 
switch in EMM386.  Then benchmark against non-VME and see if there is a 
significant difference in EMM386 performance.  Assuming anyone with the 
programming chops to do it had the free time and suitable motivation, which 
I don't.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Compilation with DJGPP using RHIDE

[Michael Devore]

At 01:12 AM 3/19/2005 +0100, Aitor Santamaría Merino wrote:
Michael Devore escribió:
Heavy port I/O and use of software interrupts are way too freaking slow 
in V86 mode, no doubt about it.  No way around it, either, as it's the 
nature of V86 mode.
Just curiosity, but is the same behaviour observed on a Win9X DOS BOX? (I 
don't have much experiences with RHIDE or DJGPP).
WIndows 98 and NT, I believe (not certain of exact versions), was when 
built-in support for Pentium-level VME was added, so those operating 
systems should be inherently much better for the comparable problematic 
circumstances.  OS/2 2.1 had VME support, as well.  Windows 95 did not have 
VME support, so it should suffer similar performance hits as DOS in V86 mode.

HOWEVER, there are reputed to be significant optimizations to help ease V86 
overhead that one can use if one has the money, time and motivation to 
develop them, doesn't have to worry about squeezing everything down to a 
few K footprint, and controls the standard, as Microsoft naturally does 
with Windows.  I would not be surprised to see non-VME Windows 95 
potentially outperform DOS in the same circumstances.  Maybe not, I don't 
remember if I ever saw Win 95 vs. DOS benchmarks for i/o bound situations.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Do FreeDOS need a password program?

[Kristaps Kaupe]

> Well, I'm _not_ searching any password program, because for my own use I
> have the mine, I am just interested if other people are using (or would
> using) such software, because if there are a lot of users needing a
> password program, it could be worth to think about including into the
> FreeDOS distribution a password-like program. Linux have that function
> natively, why not FreeDOS? - of course FreeDOS can give only root access or
> none access, but for a single-user machine (most of DOS PC are single
> user..) that's not a problem.

Well. I would like to see a password program (running from autoexec.bat) with 
login/password database in crypted file which would set USER (logged in user) 
and HOME (user's profile directory) environment variables on exit.

Not for security (you can't have serious security with DOS), but to have 
customized settings (like keyboard layout) for each user (you can call 
%HOME%\profile.bat at the end of autoexec.bat).

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[Freedos-user] RE: Freedos-user digest, Vol 1 #405 - 16 msgs

[Schumacher, Gordon]

> From: Kristaps Kaupe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Organization: NSS
> To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Compilation with DJGPP using RHIDE
> Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 14:49:12 +0200
> Reply-To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
> 
> I had problems with DJGPP (long compile times, mystical error messages)
> until I removed FreeDOS EMM386 from my CONFIG.SYS.

Well, one thing that comes to mind is that (at least) Microsoft's EMM386
affects how the DPMI host allocates memory - I don't know if the same
will be true of FreeDOS's, but we found some issues where it did
definitely negatively impact the performance of DJGPP-compiled apps (of
which RHIDE is one of, of course).


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Re: [Freedos-user] Compilation with DJGPP using RHIDE

[Aitor Santamaría Merino]

Hi,
Michael Devore escribió:
At 02:49 PM 3/18/2005 +0200, Kristaps Kaupe wrote:
I had problems with DJGPP (long compile times, mystical error 
messages) until
I removed FreeDOS EMM386 from my CONFIG.SYS.

Heavy port I/O and use of software interrupts are way too freaking 
slow in V86 mode, no doubt about it.  No way around it, either, as 
it's the nature of V86 mode.
Just curiosity, but is the same behaviour observed on a Win9X DOS BOX? 
(I don't have much experiences with RHIDE or DJGPP).

Aitor
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Re: [Freedos-user] CT Mouse

[Arkady V.Belousov]

Hi!

18-Мар-2005 18:42 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Florian Xaver) wrote to fd-user
:

FX> What is the current status of CT Mouse?

 1.9.1 and 2.0 alpha 4.

FX> v2.0 alpha 4...it is under development?

 Now news since this (yet).




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Re: [Freedos-user] USB for DOS

[Charlie Wilkes]

This page is a critical resource without doubt,
especially now that the floppy drive has been deemed
obsolete with no other bootable read/write media
available on many new systems.  The usbaspi.sys +
di1000dd.sys drivers work reliably with flash keys.  I
have these drivers burned onto an MSDOS 7.10 boot CD
for setting up new systems without a floppy drive.

The link below is a weak server but the only one
that's free that I know of.  Some faster servers
actually sell these drivers for $$$ to the desperate. 
A powerful, free DOS USB driver server is what the
world needs.

Charlie


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Re: [Freedos-user] Re: FreeDOS command.com documentation?

[kd4d]

Hi Eric:

Thanks!  Great support.  Wrong shell for the if (...) else (...) thing.  Oh, 
well...

Thanks again.  Will try "vol d:>test" without the space.

Thanks, Eric!

Mark


> 
> Hi,
> 
> > 1.  The "VOL" command built into command.com appears to
> > output to stderr instead of stdout.
> 
> No, but you have to do e.g.
> VOL d:>somefile.txt
> because
> VOL d: >somefile.txt
> is rejected. Looks like FreeCOM command.com is 1. too picky
> and 2. does not strip spaces before the < > | signs. Should be FIXED.
> 
> > 2.  The MS-DOS syntax
> > if condition (
> > ...
> > )
> > gives a syntax error.  Where is the behavior of "if" in command.com
> > documented?
> 
> You cannot do IF with () in MS-DOS. Maybe you can in WinNT, with the
> cmd.* shell, but you cannot do it with command.com of MS DOS.
> To get more information, do:
> IF /?
> at the prompt. To get a list of all commands in FreeCOM, by the way, do
> ?
> at the prompt. Further help is available by starting help (htmlhelp)
> and reading the "batch file commands" section.
> 
> There is some homepage, too:
> http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freecom/FreeCOM.html
> If you want to download a new version as suggested by
> http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freecom/FreeCOM.html#-download-http
> then you should NOT use the files directly in the
> http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freecom/packages/ directory - those are OLD.
> Instead, use e.g.: http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freecom/packages/082pl3/
> or alternatively:
> http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freecom/packages/TESTING/com082pl3ak/
> 
> Somebody should really move the old versions to subdirectories on that
> server :-(.
> 
> Eric
> 
> 
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[Freedos-user] Re: FreeDOS command.com documentation?

[Eric Auer]

Hi,

> 1.  The "VOL" command built into command.com appears to
> output to stderr instead of stdout.

No, but you have to do e.g.
VOL d:>somefile.txt
because
VOL d: >somefile.txt
is rejected. Looks like FreeCOM command.com is 1. too picky
and 2. does not strip spaces before the < > | signs. Should be FIXED.

> 2.  The MS-DOS syntax
> if condition (
> ...
> )
> gives a syntax error.  Where is the behavior of "if" in command.com
> documented?

You cannot do IF with () in MS-DOS. Maybe you can in WinNT, with the
cmd.* shell, but you cannot do it with command.com of MS DOS.
To get more information, do:
IF /?
at the prompt. To get a list of all commands in FreeCOM, by the way, do
?
at the prompt. Further help is available by starting help (htmlhelp)
and reading the "batch file commands" section.

There is some homepage, too:
http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freecom/FreeCOM.html
If you want to download a new version as suggested by
http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freecom/FreeCOM.html#-download-http
then you should NOT use the files directly in the
http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freecom/packages/ directory - those are OLD.
Instead, use e.g.: http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freecom/packages/082pl3/
or alternatively:
http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freecom/packages/TESTING/com082pl3ak/

Somebody should really move the old versions to subdirectories on that
server :-(.

Eric



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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS command.com documentation?

[Bernd Blaauw]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] schreef:
Hello, all:
I've been fiddling with an MS-DOS script to find out what drive
letter is assigned to a ram drive, trying to get it to work with
tdsk and FreeDOS.
 

The freedos.org frontpage contains a newsitem about a freeware utility 
to retrieve the Tdsk driveletter.
Easier way however is to use Xmsdsk.exe
see www.veder.com for links to it at the NwDsk page

1.  The "VOL" command built into command.com appears to
output to stderr instead of stdout.  So, piping the output,
redirecting it to a file, etc., does not work.  The external
"VOL" command does output to stdout.  This seems odd...
 

will have to investigate this. How about using DIR instead? Or is that 
not possible due to 0 files existing on the ramdrive?

2.  The MS-DOS syntax
if condition (
...
)
 

Unknown syntax to me. Are you sure this is MS-DOS behaviour, not 4DOS 
(freeware now) or a Windows console?

gives a syntax error.  Where is the behavior of "if" in command.com
documented?  I've seen one example script that seemed to use a
"+" to seperate multiple commands in an if statement.  Again, where
is the behavior and syntax documented?
 

docs are at http://freedos.sourceforge.net/freecom/FreeCOM.html
I want to do this booting from a CD, so it appears I CAN'T use a
pipe (|) since that appears to need a file on the boot device.
 

I use ISOLINUX as a bootloader for my own and for the freedos cdrom. 
This allows you to load a special ramdisk program, called MEMDISK,
which can load a diskette image into RAM and then boot it. This means 
faster bootup, faster DOS execution, and writable space.
http://syslinux.zytor.com/

I may have to break down and use something other than tdsk
so I can get the drive letter...
 

XMSDSK or Syslinux, would be my suggestion.
Have a look at the FreeDOS cdrom. You can find the boot image at 
\isolinux\data\fdboot.img
Opening it is possible with WinImage for example.

Thanks!  I appreciate the great support I get for FreeDOS.
Mark Bailey
 

Bernd
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[Freedos-user] FreeDOS command.com documentation?

[kd4d]

Hello, all:

I've been fiddling with an MS-DOS script to find out what drive
letter is assigned to a ram drive, trying to get it to work with
tdsk and FreeDOS.

I've run into two differences that suprised me.

1.  The "VOL" command built into command.com appears to
output to stderr instead of stdout.  So, piping the output,
redirecting it to a file, etc., does not work.  The external
"VOL" command does output to stdout.  This seems odd...

2.  The MS-DOS syntax
if condition (
...
)
gives a syntax error.  Where is the behavior of "if" in command.com
documented?  I've seen one example script that seemed to use a
"+" to seperate multiple commands in an if statement.  Again, where
is the behavior and syntax documented?

I want to do this booting from a CD, so it appears I CAN'T use a
pipe (|) since that appears to need a file on the boot device.

I may have to break down and use something other than tdsk
so I can get the drive letter...

Thanks!  I appreciate the great support I get for FreeDOS.

Mark Bailey



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Re: [Freedos-user] Question: VIM for DOS

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Re: [Freedos-user] Re: Compilation with DJGPP using RHIDE

[Michael Devore]

At 06:24 PM 3/18/2005 +0100, Eric Auer wrote:
> Heavy port I/O and use of software interrupts are way too freaking slow in
> V86 mode, no doubt about it.  No way around it, either, as it's the nature
> of V86 mode.
Not true - in Pentium and newer CPUs, you have VME, which allow
software interrupts and the interrupt enable flag to be handled
by hardware even for V86 tasks.
I know VME exists, I don't think it's supported by default.  It's certainly 
not present on a lot more of the target machines out there than with the 
whole 286 XMS issue.

Still, VME can lower CPU load significantly, and the mystical error
messages should not happen at all when you compile with DJGPP with
EMM386 loaded.
GNU-ish type stuff suffers from the "we despise everything related to 
Microsoft" and "Not Invented Here" syndromes, and its relationship with DOS 
is often uneasy.  That said, DJGPP has never given me a problem when 
testing recent EMM386 versions.


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[Freedos-user] Question: VIM for DOS

[Eric Auer]

Hi, has any VIM user tried the DOS version recently, in particular
the 32bit DOS version (you probably need CWSDPMI to run it) vim63d32.zip?

http://www.vim.org/download.php

As VIM-non-user it is always hard to tell whether you have a good
port installed or not X-).

For me, that is. I personally do not want to use VIM, but
http://www.freedos.org/freedos/software/lsm.cgi?q=f&a=edit/vim.lsm
still lists 6.0, and I wonder how much has changed since then.

Eric


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[Freedos-user] Re: Compilation with DJGPP using RHIDE

[Eric Auer]

Hi Michael,

> >I had problems with DJGPP (long compile times, mystical error messages)
> >until I removed FreeDOS EMM386 from my CONFIG.SYS.


> Heavy port I/O and use of software interrupts are way too freaking slow in 
> V86 mode, no doubt about it.  No way around it, either, as it's the nature 
> of V86 mode.

Not true - in Pentium and newer CPUs, you have VME, which allow
software interrupts and the interrupt enable flag to be handled
by hardware even for V86 tasks. However, I/O ports for which EMM386
implements virtualization (e.g. DMA controller things) and hardware
IRQs do not gain from VME.

Still, VME can lower CPU load significantly, and the mystical error
messages should not happen at all when you compile with DJGPP with
EMM386 loaded. Nice to hear that removing EMM386 helped for you,
but it should not have been "that much" necessary.



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Re: [Freedos-user] Compilation with DJGPP using RHIDE

[Michael Devore]

At 02:49 PM 3/18/2005 +0200, Kristaps Kaupe wrote:
I had problems with DJGPP (long compile times, mystical error messages) until
I removed FreeDOS EMM386 from my CONFIG.SYS.
Heavy port I/O and use of software interrupts are way too freaking slow in 
V86 mode, no doubt about it.  No way around it, either, as it's the nature 
of V86 mode.

Programs which are not heavily I/O bound, or which are structured with good 
internal or external software caching, shouldn't care much.


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[Freedos-user] USB for DOS

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I found a very good site about the topic:
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[Freedos-user] CT Mouse

[Florian Xaver]

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Hi!

What is the current status of CT Mouse?
v2.0 alpha 4...it is under development?

Bye, Flo
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[Freedos-user] New Club Dr-DOS site...

[Florian Xaver]

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Hi!

I am making a new Dr-DOS site. New design, updated info etc. You can
reach the first pages from the old site (http://www.drdos.org).

- -) What do you think about the new layout?
- -) It supports Arachne - that means worse source than i wanted. But it
seems ok. Only the NEWS page has a problem. But I don't know why.
- -) Any feedback would be cool ;-)


Btw: Notice, that there is a new Enhanced Dr-DOS version avaiable!
Enhanced Dr-DOS is the open source branch of Dr-DOS/OpenDOS.

Bye, Flo
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[Freedos-user] Re: countdown menu line repeated on boot screen

[Arkady V.Belousov]

Hi!

17-Мар-2005 23:29 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Massimo Pizzolante Leuzzi) wrote to "Arkady
V.Belousov" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

MPL> > primary precompiled files
MPL> > http://www.fdos.org/kernel/KERNEL.SYS   [stable kernel]
MPL> > http://www.fdos.org/kernel/KERNEL.dev.SYS   [dev kernel]
MPL> I have downloaded kernels from 'fdos.org': 'kernel.dev.sys' dated Mar 15
MPL> 2005 works, instead 'kernel.sys' dated Mar 14 2005 not.

 You mean, you test two abovementioned kernels, and first kernel
(kernel.sys) shows same error, whereas second (kernel.dev.sys) works fine?

PS: Kenneth, how much changes in config.c was present in "stable kernel"
(ie., how much it differs from 2035)?




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Re: [Freedos-user] Compilation with DJGPP using RHIDE

[Kristaps Kaupe]

I had problems with DJGPP (long compile times, mystical error messages) until 
I removed FreeDOS EMM386 from my CONFIG.SYS.

Kristaps Kaupe,
http://kristaps.netparks.lv


Thursday 17 March 2005 18:49, GNU_man rakstÄja:
> Hello everyone, I have a question regarding compilation of C
> programs under FreeDOS, I doubt this is exclusive to FreeDOS, but
> anyway, I want to know if there is any solution.  The compile  time  of
> GCC using  Rhide is  intolerable, about 20 seconds - even for a very
> small program. (using a PII 400 Mhz 128MB RAM) whereas on Windows the
> same would take about 1 second. I'm guessing that it has something to do
> with caching. The reason I don't just use windows is that Rhide crashes
> under Windows 98 constantly - just try changing directories or accessing
> help menu items, or even quitting Rhide the program exits with a
> 'General Protection Fault' Under DOS though it almost never crashes.
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Compilation with DJGPP using RHIDE

[Florian Xaver]

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Hi!

I would install 2 tools:

UDMA2
LBACACHE

With both, it is very fast!!

Bye, Flo
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