Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Installer Preview 14 - The Final Chapter.

[Jerome Shidel]

Hello Don,

> Jerome, this is not an installer issue, it occurs following an otherwise 
> successful install and reboot. I think it is a DOSLFN/Memory Management/SHELL 
> issue. It's a bug that has been around for a long time and the only way I 
> have gotten rid of it is to forgo DOSLFN.
> 
> On another note, I am in need of a generic DOS program installer, V8 looks 
> like what I want, perhaps after FD 1.2 is released you could contribute such 
> a tool to the repo?

V8 is included in the FDI Preview development builds and will ship with FreeDOS 
1.2. It is also available on the FreeDOS repo. However, the latest version is 
always available on http://up.lod.bz 

A little bit of back story on the birth of V8Power Tools. Basically, Jim wanted 
the FreeDOS installer to be a batch file that used utilities that were nicer 
than using the standard choice command. So, hum a set of utilities that can be 
used from any batch file to create a fairly nice UI. Ones that are not to 
difficult to use. Require no hard drive space for storing data. Use no ram for 
storage. So, I gave it some thought and figured sure I can do that. So, V8 was 
born to make a nicer batch file interface. 

Everything in FDI that the user sees and interacts with is powered by V8. 
Except FDIMPLES. V8 could do the detailed package selection stuff in advanced 
mode. But, it was quicker and easier just to build a program to modify a 
package list and give it back to FDI. Everything else including package list 
processing, custom theming, multi-language support and the rest is done through 
batch logic, V8 and a couple other command line tools. 

vecho is really nice for doing multicolored text output. Things like "vecho 
/fRed this is red /FGray and /Fyellow this is yellow."

A lot of things can been accomplished with the V8 toolset. For example. I use 
it as the backbone for building the Preview releases. With one command 'mkFDI 
all', a very complex 15 minute long process starts building a release from 
scratch. Takes the raw source files and repo cd packages to make the boot 
floppy and both USB images. 
Parsing package lists, pulling data from index files. It's probably more 
complex than the actual installer. But, it is not as flexible as FDI. 

Anyhow, a general program installer? Won't a zip package that is compatible 
with FDNPKG and FDINST be sufficient?  

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Installer Preview 14 - The Final Chapter.

[Don Flowers]

Jerome, this is not an installer issue, it occurs following an otherwise
successful install and reboot. I think it is a DOSLFN/Memory
Management/SHELL issue. It's a bug that has been around for a long time and
the only way I have gotten rid of it is to forgo DOSLFN.

On another note, I am in need of a generic DOS program installer, V8 looks
like what I want, perhaps after FD 1.2 is released you could contribute
such a tool to the repo?

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 2:57 PM, Jerome Shidel  wrote:

> Hello Don
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Don Flowers  wrote:
>
> Just did an install on my multiple Hard drive/multiple DOS/FreeDOS DC5700.
> I used the advanced option and have nothing bad to report (except that *#$%
> "Error reading from drive A: DOS area drive not ready Abort Ignore Retry
> Fail?" on mulitple file copy. Tried adding \ to destination directory to no
> avail. I'll be REMming the DOSLFN option as before.
>
>
> To clarify, do you get this error while running the installer or after
> FreeDOS has been installed and you reboot? Or both?
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Don Flowers  wrote:
>
>> Anxious to test and report back.
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Louis Santillan 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll do some more testing tonight or tomorrow night.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hello All,

 The wholesome and awesome goodness of the FreeDOS Installer Preview 14
 is now available. P14 contains many improvements over P13 including
 auto-partitioning (when obvious), fixed FDIMPLES bug, MBR updating and many
 many more enhancements.

 http://up.lod.bz/FDI

 I also ran an tested one of the USB stick images on a ancient Acer
 Netbook with a empty SSD drive.

 WARNING: If you don’t want your MBR updated, you will need to switch
 into advanced mode no later than the Welcome to FreeDOS message.

 Except for any bug fixes, this is the final FDI Preview release until
 the FreeDOS 1.2 Beta. Mostly, that should only be
 a fine-tuning of included packages.

 Thanks again, Jerome



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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Installer Preview 14 - The Final Chapter.

[Jerome Shidel]

Hello Don


> On Mar 8, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Don Flowers  wrote:
> 
> Just did an install on my multiple Hard drive/multiple DOS/FreeDOS DC5700. I 
> used the advanced option and have nothing bad to report (except that *#$% 
> "Error reading from drive A: DOS area drive not ready Abort Ignore Retry 
> Fail?" on mulitple file copy. Tried adding \ to destination directory to no 
> avail. I'll be REMming the DOSLFN option as before.

To clarify, do you get this error while running the installer or after FreeDOS 
has been installed and you reboot? Or both?



> 
>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Don Flowers  wrote:
>> Anxious to test and report back.
>> 
>>> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Louis Santillan  wrote:
>>> I'll do some more testing tonight or tomorrow night.
>>> 
 On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr.  
 wrote:
 Hello All,
 
 The wholesome and awesome goodness of the FreeDOS Installer Preview 14 is 
 now available. P14 contains many improvements over P13 including 
 auto-partitioning (when obvious), fixed FDIMPLES bug, MBR updating and 
 many many more enhancements.
 
 http://up.lod.bz/FDI
 
 I also ran an tested one of the USB stick images on a ancient Acer Netbook 
 with a empty SSD drive.
 
 WARNING: If you don’t want your MBR updated, you will need to switch into 
 advanced mode no later than the Welcome to FreeDOS message.
 
 Except for any bug fixes, this is the final FDI Preview release until the 
 FreeDOS 1.2 Beta. Mostly, that should only be
 a fine-tuning of included packages.
 
 Thanks again, Jerome
 
 
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Re: [Freedos-user] R-Alt does not act like L-Alt

[John Hupp]

And if you are the Bret Johnson of http://bretjohnson.us/ then I'm sure 
you do have the skills!

On 3/8/2016 2:08 PM, John Hupp wrote:
> @ Bret: Perhaps you have the skills to offer a fix for EDIT, or can 
> convince the current developers to do so!


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Re: [Freedos-user] R-Alt does not act like L-Alt

[John Hupp]

The default FreeDOS 1.1 installation does not load KEYB for a US 
keyboard (nor do I have it loaded). CHCP reports Code Page 858, as 
expected.  And as I reported in my original post on this topic:

- Even in Edit, R-Alt acts like L-Alt with no document open.
- In SetEdit, R-Alt acts like L-Alt.
- In FreeDOS Help, R-Alt acts like L-Alt.
- In DOOM, R-Alt acts like L-Alt.

This led me to think that underlying mechanisms were all in good order 
and not responsible for the (undesirable) behavior in EDIT. So I do 
indeed now think of it as an EDIT problem, and I have adopted SETEDIT as 
a workaround or better alternative on most hardware.

@ Bret: Perhaps you have the skills to offer a fix for EDIT, or can 
convince the current developers to do so!

On 3/8/2016 1:46 PM, Bret Johnson wrote:
> It is known that the R-Alt (AltGr) works differently than L-Alt with some 
> keyboard layouts, but when it is a US keyboard layout (and some other layouts 
> as well) that is not the case.  This is a bug and it should be fixed.
>
> There are DOS functions that EDIT can call to tell what kind of keyboard 
> layout is currently implemented and what the current Code Page is (the two 
> things are correlated).  However, not all keyboard drivers implement those 
> functions properly, so EDIT can end up thinking you're using a US keyboard 
> layout when you really aren't.  I know MS-KEYB properly supports these 
> functions, but am not sure about FD-KEYB or the other "MS-KEYB clones".


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Re: [Freedos-user] R-Alt does not act like L-Alt

[Bret Johnson]

It is known that the R-Alt (AltGr) works differently than L-Alt with some 
keyboard layouts, but when it is a US keyboard layout (and some other layouts 
as well) that is not the case.  This is a bug and it should be fixed.

There are DOS functions that EDIT can call to tell what kind of keyboard layout 
is currently implemented and what the current Code Page is (the two things are 
correlated).  However, not all keyboard drivers implement those functions 
properly, so EDIT can end up thinking you're using a US keyboard layout when 
you really aren't.  I know MS-KEYB properly supports these functions, but am 
not sure about FD-KEYB or the other "MS-KEYB clones".


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Re: [Freedos-user] Annual Inform

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 5:34 AM, Rafael Angel Campos Vargas
 wrote:
>
> Annual inform:
>
> First, thanks to FreeDos team for the link where you will encounter previous 
> versions of FreeRay.
> I thanks you a lot.
>
> This year package FreeRay2015 includes sixteen new 3D objects LGPL with HTML
> documentation (fourteen are compatible FreeDOS in POVRay 3.1.).

Looks good.

> Would you like to incorporate this package in same directory?
> Indeed, I think are good 3D objects.

Done, see here:

http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/devel/pascal/contrib/FreeRay_2015.zip

> I've finished my new commercial WEB page
> http://juegosenlazaruscostarricenses.com; the FreeDOS v.1.X versions are
> free probe without time limit (don't have music, joystick yet and mouse is
> poor), other systems only one month for probe.
> Because of that I've advanced very slow this year. My new game Palitos
> Iniciales isn't finished yet, and general use code stands by for now.
>
> Jesus and Marie bless you.

Good luck!

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Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS Installer Preview 14 - The Final Chapter.

[Don Flowers]

Just did an install on my multiple Hard drive/multiple DOS/FreeDOS DC5700.
I used the advanced option and have nothing bad to report (except that *#$%
"Error reading from drive A: DOS area drive not ready Abort Ignore Retry
Fail?" on mulitple file copy. Tried adding \ to destination directory to no
avail. I'll be REMming the DOSLFN option as before.

On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 3:27 PM, Don Flowers  wrote:

> Anxious to test and report back.
>
> On Mon, Mar 7, 2016 at 1:49 PM, Louis Santillan 
> wrote:
>
>> I'll do some more testing tonight or tomorrow night.
>>
>> On Sun, Mar 6, 2016 at 9:58 AM, Jerome E. Shidel Jr. 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello All,
>>>
>>> The wholesome and awesome goodness of the FreeDOS Installer Preview 14
>>> is now available. P14 contains many improvements over P13 including
>>> auto-partitioning (when obvious), fixed FDIMPLES bug, MBR updating and many
>>> many more enhancements.
>>>
>>> http://up.lod.bz/FDI
>>>
>>> I also ran an tested one of the USB stick images on a ancient Acer
>>> Netbook with a empty SSD drive.
>>>
>>> WARNING: If you don’t want your MBR updated, you will need to switch
>>> into advanced mode no later than the Welcome to FreeDOS message.
>>>
>>> Except for any bug fixes, this is the final FDI Preview release until
>>> the FreeDOS 1.2 Beta. Mostly, that should only be
>>> a fine-tuning of included packages.
>>>
>>> Thanks again, Jerome
>>>
>>>
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Re: [Freedos-user] R-Alt does not act like L-Alt

[Don Flowers]

I use setedit almost exclusively and R-Alt is working correctly with an
open file.

On Tue, Mar 8, 2016 at 11:48 AM, John Hupp  wrote:

> I have argued much the same, but I have a recollection that the EDIT
> behavior is by design, with R-Alt (aka AltGr) functioning as a dead key
> to provide support for the Euro character, etc.
>
> There is an old, unattended bug report on the issue, though it may need
> rounding out, and in any case some will argue that it's not a bug (which
> may be why it was unattended): https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/bugs/96/
>
> I do appreciate the measure of support for my revised understanding --
> that this behavior is due to program design (hopefully rare among
> programs) rather than some feature of FreeDOS.
>
> On 3/8/2016 9:46 AM, Bret Johnson wrote:
> > With a US keyboard layout, R-Alt and L-Alt are supposed to work exactly
> the same way in the vast majority of programs, including EDIT.
> >
> > I did a couple of experiments, and in FD-EDIT it doesn't work that way.
> It's a bug in the way the program is written.  MS-EDIT works just fine.  I
> haven't looked at the source code for EDIT, but this should be relatively
> easy to patch.
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] R-Alt does not act like L-Alt

[John Hupp]

I have argued much the same, but I have a recollection that the EDIT 
behavior is by design, with R-Alt (aka AltGr) functioning as a dead key 
to provide support for the Euro character, etc.

There is an old, unattended bug report on the issue, though it may need 
rounding out, and in any case some will argue that it's not a bug (which 
may be why it was unattended): https://sourceforge.net/p/freedos/bugs/96/

I do appreciate the measure of support for my revised understanding -- 
that this behavior is due to program design (hopefully rare among 
programs) rather than some feature of FreeDOS.

On 3/8/2016 9:46 AM, Bret Johnson wrote:
> With a US keyboard layout, R-Alt and L-Alt are supposed to work exactly the 
> same way in the vast majority of programs, including EDIT.
>
> I did a couple of experiments, and in FD-EDIT it doesn't work that way.  It's 
> a bug in the way the program is written.  MS-EDIT works just fine.  I haven't 
> looked at the source code for EDIT, but this should be relatively easy to 
> patch.


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Re: [Freedos-user] R-Alt does not act like L-Alt

[Bret Johnson]

With a US keyboard layout, R-Alt and L-Alt are supposed to work exactly the 
same way in the vast majority of programs, including EDIT.

I did a couple of experiments, and in FD-EDIT it doesn't work that way.  It's a 
bug in the way the program is written.  MS-EDIT works just fine.  I haven't 
looked at the source code for EDIT, but this should be relatively easy to patch.


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