Re: [Freedos-user] Something to look forward to when Preview 17 is released.

[Rugxulo]

Hi,

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 1:12 AM, Thomas Mueller  wrote:
>
> Now I wonder if FDI will run in DOSBox running under FreeBSD, NetBSD or Linux.

Do you have DOSBox installed? If so, what does it not do that you
still need? (Admittedly, that is not using the FreeDOS kernel.) You
can also run QEMU or VBox. What exactly do you need to do? Run
natively? What major advantage (or disadvantage) would that bring
(over emulation)?

> Or maybe boot from GRUB2 or grub4dos.  I would install to USB stick, probably 
> 4 GB; would likely
> use factory partitioning, would have to check cluster size so as not to be 
> [bigger than] 4 KB, might
> have to reformat from NetBSD or FreeBSD.  Possibly install to 
> hard-disk/USB-stick image and then
> dd or rsync to USB stick?
>
> It would be helpful if you could say how to boot FreeDOS using GRUB2, 
> grub4dos or Syslinux;
> then I might be able to run SYS to make a nonbootable USB stick bootable.  Or 
> would the boot be
> via Syslinux?
>
> But when I ran SYS on USB-stick installation of FreeDOS 1.1, the file system 
> was rendered nonreadable;
> I had to start over beginning with newfs_msdos from FreeBSD.

I feel like we've discussed this before, but unfortunately things like
this are so arcane and complicated that it's almost impossible to
debug your machine from afar. So I still don't understand what you're
unable to do.

Try inspecting the following, and see if any of it helps:

1). https://wiki.debian.org/FlashBIOS
2). https://wiki.debian.org/DualBoot/FreeDOS
3). 
http://web.archive.org/web/20160322142625/http://diddy.boot-land.net/grub4dos/files/menu.htm
4). 
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/dos/sys/sys-freedos-linux/sys-freedos-linux.zip
5). http://joelinoff.com/blog/?p=431

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Re: [Freedos-user] Something to look forward to when Preview 17 is released.

[Jerome E. Shidel Jr.]

> On May 3, 2016, at 2:12 AM, Thomas Mueller  wrote:
> […]
> Now I wonder if FDI will run in DOSBox running under FreeBSD, NetBSD or 
> Linux.  

FDI since Preview 13 or 14 (I think), runs fine under DOSBox on a Mac.

1) Assume you have setup a C: drive for DOSBox.
2) Either:
a) Copy entire USB stick contents to a directory and mount that dir as 
drive D: in DOSBox
or
b) Just mount the USB image and mount it’s root as drive D: in DOSBox.
3) Switch to drive D:
4) run “setup”
5) answer FDI prompts

A Couple Notes: 

First, FDI does not do a complete FreeDOS install under DOSBox. It 
basically, installs 
all of the FreeDOS programs and creates a C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT for running the 
FreeCOM
shell on top of the DOSBox kernel. I felt this was better this way. It allows 
you to still interact
with the DOSBox filesystem from the HOST without doing anything special. You 
would probably
also want  to modify your Z:\AUTOEXEC.BAT to run the C:\AUTOEXEC.BAT at 
startup. I did not
have FDI do this automatically. 

> Or maybe boot from GRUB2 or grub4dos.

^O^

>  I would install to USB stick, probably 4 GB; would likely use factory 
> partitioning, would have to check cluster size so as not to be > 4 KB, might 
> have to reformat from NetBSD or FreeBSD.  Possibly install to 
> hard-disk/USB-stick image and then dd or rsync to USB stick?
> 
> It would be helpful if you could say how to boot FreeDOS using GRUB2, 
> grub4dos or Syslinux; then I might be able to run SYS to make a nonbootable 
> USB stick bootable.  Or would the boot be via Syslinux?

^O^

> But when I ran SYS on USB-stick installation of FreeDOS 1.1, the file system 
> was rendered nonreadable; I had to start over beginning with newfs_msdos from 
> FreeBSD.

What happens if you try it with the version of utilities in Preview 16?

Thanks, Jerome


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Re: [Freedos-user] Something to look forward to when Preview 17 is released.

[Don Flowers]

I specified the specific files, but IIRC you can do a generic attrib /s -r
-s -h and take care of everything.
As for grub(4dos), I use the one that is available in the ibiblio.org
freedos 1.0 package repo
https://www.ibiblio.org/pub/micro/pc-stuff/freedos/files/distributions/1.0/pkgs/

Install Grub to drive 128

and for syslinux I use what is available thru whichever system I am using,
if on Windows 7-10, I use rmprepusb. If on Linux I download every available
syslinux and customize from there.

On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 7:04 AM, Thomas Mueller  wrote:

> from Don Flowers:
>
> > I use a custom kernel and found that on the USB image the system files
> are
> > hidden and read only. I used ATTRIB -R -S -H and then SYS with no
> problem.
>
> I thought SYS knew the system files were hidden and read-only, as was also
> true with MS-DOS.
>
> Do I just run ATTRIB -R -S -H
> or do I need to specify which files as arguments to ATTRIB?
>
> I have a USB-stick installation of FreeDOS 1.1 where Syslinux boots
> FreeDOS, but many of the files in that package are out of sync, so I can't
> use this Syslinux to boot other things.
>
> Maybe I could if I overwrote these files with a newer Syslinux built on
> Linux or FreeBSD, but now it makes more sense to wait for FreeDOS 1.2 or
> use a preview.
>
> For Syslinux, I could also possibly install a Linux toolchain on a USB
> stick and use extlinux.
>
> I see System Rescue CD still uses syslinux-4.07
>
> http://www.system-rescue-cd.org/Detailed-packages-list
>
> Tom
>
>
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Re: [Freedos-user] Something to look forward to when Preview 17 is released.

[Thomas Mueller]

from Don Flowers:

> I use a custom kernel and found that on the USB image the system files are
> hidden and read only. I used ATTRIB -R -S -H and then SYS with no problem.

I thought SYS knew the system files were hidden and read-only, as was also true 
with MS-DOS.

Do I just run ATTRIB -R -S -H
or do I need to specify which files as arguments to ATTRIB?

I have a USB-stick installation of FreeDOS 1.1 where Syslinux boots FreeDOS, 
but many of the files in that package are out of sync, so I can't use this 
Syslinux to boot other things.

Maybe I could if I overwrote these files with a newer Syslinux built on Linux 
or FreeBSD, but now it makes more sense to wait for FreeDOS 1.2 or use a 
preview.

For Syslinux, I could also possibly install a Linux toolchain on a USB stick 
and use extlinux.

I see System Rescue CD still uses syslinux-4.07

http://www.system-rescue-cd.org/Detailed-packages-list

Tom


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Re: [Freedos-user] Something to look forward to when Preview 17 is released.

[Don Flowers]

I use a custom kernel and found that on the USB image the system files are
hidden and read only. I used ATTRIB -R -S -H and then SYS with no problem.


On Tue, May 3, 2016 at 2:12 AM, Thomas Mueller  wrote:

> > Well, FDI Preview 17 is not out yet. But, I though I would tell you
> about a new feature for the Power Users. The USB stick versions will
> contain a command line utility to recreate the entire FDI Build
> environment. So, all you
> > FreeDOS hackers out there can build your own personal completely
> customized installer.
>
> > From download to a built release, the whole process takes under 10
> minutes. I put a Mac+VirtualBox demo video up on Youtube at
> https://youtu.be/rKAq7HEQ1oE  This feature
> is not available with the
> > current public Preview 16 release. But, it will give you something cool
> to look forward to in Preview 17.
>
> > A text version is available on the FDI wiki at
> https://github.com/shidel/FDI/wiki 
>
> > The FDI Build environment creation utility and the mkFDI release build
> utility are both V8Power Tools enhanced batch files running under FreeDOS
> 1.2-pre. The actual build process is a very complex batch file and is kind
> cool to
> > watch. If you just want to check out that, jump in a bit and just watch
> it from here mark https://youtu.be/rKAq7HEQ1oE?t=6m45s <
> https://youtu.be/rKAq7HEQ1oE?t=6m45s>
>
> > Thanks, Jerome
>
> Now I wonder if FDI will run in DOSBox running under FreeBSD, NetBSD or
> Linux.  Or maybe boot from GRUB2 or grub4dos.  I would install to USB
> stick, probably 4 GB; would likely use factory partitioning, would have to
> check cluster size so as not to be > 4 KB, might have to reformat from
> NetBSD or FreeBSD.  Possibly install to hard-disk/USB-stick image and then
> dd or rsync to USB stick?
>
> It would be helpful if you could say how to boot FreeDOS using GRUB2,
> grub4dos or Syslinux; then I might be able to run SYS to make a nonbootable
> USB stick bootable.  Or would the boot be via Syslinux?
>
> But when I ran SYS on USB-stick installation of FreeDOS 1.1, the file
> system was rendered nonreadable; I had to start over beginning with
> newfs_msdos from FreeBSD.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
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[Freedos-user] Something to look forward to when Preview 17 is released.

[Thomas Mueller]

> Well, FDI Preview 17 is not out yet. But, I though I would tell you about a 
> new feature for the Power Users. The USB stick versions will contain a 
> command line utility to recreate the entire FDI Build environment. So, all you
> FreeDOS hackers out there can build your own personal completely customized 
> installer.

> From download to a built release, the whole process takes under 10 minutes. I 
> put a Mac+VirtualBox demo video up on Youtube at https://youtu.be/rKAq7HEQ1oE 
>  This feature is not available with the
> current public Preview 16 release. But, it will give you something cool to 
> look forward to in Preview 17.

> A text version is available on the FDI wiki at 
> https://github.com/shidel/FDI/wiki 

> The FDI Build environment creation utility and the mkFDI release build 
> utility are both V8Power Tools enhanced batch files running under FreeDOS 
> 1.2-pre. The actual build process is a very complex batch file and is kind 
> cool to
> watch. If you just want to check out that, jump in a bit and just watch it 
> from here mark https://youtu.be/rKAq7HEQ1oE?t=6m45s 
> 

> Thanks, Jerome

Now I wonder if FDI will run in DOSBox running under FreeBSD, NetBSD or Linux.  
Or maybe boot from GRUB2 or grub4dos.  I would install to USB stick, probably 4 
GB; would likely use factory partitioning, would have to check cluster size so 
as not to be > 4 KB, might have to reformat from NetBSD or FreeBSD.  Possibly 
install to hard-disk/USB-stick image and then dd or rsync to USB stick?

It would be helpful if you could say how to boot FreeDOS using GRUB2, grub4dos 
or Syslinux; then I might be able to run SYS to make a nonbootable USB stick 
bootable.  Or would the boot be via Syslinux?

But when I ran SYS on USB-stick installation of FreeDOS 1.1, the file system 
was rendered nonreadable; I had to start over beginning with newfs_msdos from 
FreeBSD.

Tom


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