Re: [Freedos-user] Dictionnary program not working
Hello, A friend of mine was able to run the dictionary program in dosbox. This does not help me immediately, because at the moment dosbox has no text interface and is thus not accessible to me (I'm blind). However, since it works in dosbox it proves that it is possible to make it work somehow, so I thought I could report it here nd perhaps we could see why it does not work under dosemu...? Cheers, Shérab. -- Android is increasing in popularity, but the open development platform that developers love is also attractive to malware creators. Download this white paper to learn more about secure code signing practices that can help keep Android apps secure. http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=65839951iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dictionnary program not working
Hi, Rugxulo (2011/12/27 17:00 -0600): On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Sébastien Hinderer sebastien.hinde...@ens-lyon.org wrote: I've actually seen a report of this dictionnary not working, but I don't think any serious attempt to understand and perhaps fix the problem had been undertaken so far. It will be hard to fix when the software isn't freely available. Most of us aren't willing to download random (still copyrighted) abandonware.:-/ However, others might be able to help if you mentioned the name and version of the program you are trying to use. It's Le grand Robert 1992, an excellent french dictionnary. At least that narrows it down. You don't get any output from the program, so this may be difficult to track down. I was wondering whether dosemu wouldn't offer some debugging facilities that could be useful here... It does, but I don't know what or how to use it, sadly. You'll have to wait for (or nag) Eric Auer or Bart Oldeman or similar to chime in. Or just read the online manuals: http://www.dosemu.org/docs/ But here's two horribly wimpy suggestions to isolate the problem. 1). Download File 5.09: So I finally managed to get back to this yet unsolved problem. Here is what file says: e:\robert\robert.exe: MS-DOS executable, MZ for MS-DOS 2). Download KGB 1.04: http://archives.scovetta.com/pub/simtelnet/msdos/sysutl/kgb104.zip kgb.exe (start the TSR) dictionary.exe (run the program) kgb /u (unload TSR) edit c:\history.dat (see what files it tried to open) Well it seems not much happened, here is the content of history.dat: OpenFile-R : robert OpenFile-R : robert.exe OpenFile-R : robert.exe Exec: E:\ROBERT\ROBERT.EXE OpenFile-R : \ OpenFile-R : kgb\kgb.exe OpenFile-R : kgb\kgb.exe Exec: C:\KGB\KGB.EXE /u Any other suggestion welcome! Thanks! Shérab. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135991iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dictionnary program not working
Hi again: So I just used XRAY to examine the program. Interestingly enough, this shows amessage on the screen that did not show up when not using XRAY. The message is in french and says: Loading... Fatal error: Incorrect or broken disc I hope this is not due to the use of XRAY. The dictionnary is ran from a CD-ROM. I tried to make a dd and the CD seems perfectly readable. Any suggestion warmly appreciated. Thanks, Shérab. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135991iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dictionnary program not working
Hello Eric, Many thanks for participating to this thread! Copy protection? Needs original CD? It _is_ the original CD. And I don't think it's a matter of copy protection because I believed I already burned copies of this CD for others and I think it worked. Interesting that this continues a mail exchange with Rugxulo of 2011. Yes, life has been hectic since then but I'd really like to make this dictionary work because it is a wonderful product. Now considering disassembling / debugging the smallest exacutable which is 19k. Any suggested tools for debugging inside the emulator? I'm thinking about turbo debugger I used years ago... Thanks! Sherab. -- October Webinars: Code for Performance Free Intel webinars can help you accelerate application performance. Explore tips for MPI, OpenMP, advanced profiling, and more. Get the most from the latest Intel processors and coprocessors. See abstracts and register http://pubads.g.doubleclick.net/gampad/clk?id=60135991iu=/4140/ostg.clktrk ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dictionnary program not working
Hi, A quick check seems to indicate it's kinda old docs, but maybe it's better than nothing. For sure. No idea, but presumably empty like all other (good) IRC channels. :-/ :-) But here's two horribly wimpy suggestions to isolate the problem. 1). Download File 5.09: http://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/file509.zip?attredirects=0 Done. Put file.exe in your %PATH% C:\path C:\FILE;%PATH% C:\path PATH=C:\FILE;z:\bin;z:\gnu;z:\dosemu I assume c:\file\ is a directory here (with file.exe and magic.mgc inside). Correct. C:\set MAGIC=C:\FILE\MAGIC.MGC No, you did it wrong, try this (literally): set MAGIC=/dev/c/file/magic.mgc Now try file dictionary.exe (or whatever, etc.) to see if it uses any special .EXE format or DOS extender. It seems something has not been set up appropriately: C:\file ROBERT\MENU.EXE file.exe: could not find any magic files! You didn't set it up the *nix way. It was a quick compile, so I didn't try fixing the *nix-specific behavior, sorry. No it's me being sorry for not having understood correctly. Anyway: menu.exe: MS-DOS executable, MZ for MS-DOS robert.exe: MS-DOS executable, MZ for MS-DOS (shrug) Dunno, maybe your installation is incomplete?? Hmm I don't know what could be missing... ? One other possible trackmight be a program called xray I seem to remember. It was sort of an equivalent to strace... Does somebody know about this program ? Sébastien. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dictionnary program not working
Hi, On Thu, Dec 29, 2011 at 8:09 AM, Sébastien Hinderer sebastien.hinde...@ens-lyon.org wrote: menu.exe: MS-DOS executable, MZ for MS-DOS robert.exe: MS-DOS executable, MZ for MS-DOS Okay, nothing fancy there. (shrug) Dunno, maybe your installation is incomplete?? Hmm I don't know what could be missing... ? Dunno. One other possible trackmight be a program called xray I seem to remember. It was sort of an equivalent to strace... Does somebody know about this program ? I've never used it, but you could try, I suppose. http://www.programmersheaven.com/download/15868/download.aspx Or try one of these: ftp://ftp.sac.sk/pub/sac/utilmisc/argus161.zip http://dmst.aueb.gr/dds/sw/ports/trace/trace27.zip http://board.flatassembler.net/download.php?id=4201 -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dictionnary program not working
Hello, thanks so much for having taken the time to respond with several tracks to explore ! It will be hard to fix when the software isn't freely available. Most of us aren't willing to download random (still copyrighted) abandonware.:-/ Understood. I was wondering whether dosemu wouldn't offer some debugging facilities that could be useful here... It does, but I don't know what or how to use it, sadly. You'll have to wait for (or nag) Eric Auer or Bart Oldeman or similar to chime in. Or just read the online manuals: http://www.dosemu.org/docs/ Will give the manuals a try, thanks. Incidentally: does dosemu have an (active) IRC channel ? There is one mentioned on the web site but I was unable to connect to the server... But here's two horribly wimpy suggestions to isolate the problem. 1). Download File 5.09: http://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/file509.zip?attredirects=0 Done. Put file.exe in your %PATH% C:\path C:\FILE;%PATH% C:\path PATH=C:\FILE;z:\bin;z:\gnu;z:\dosemu and set MAGIC=/dev/c/fdos/magic.mgc (or similar, /dev/c/ means C:\). C:\set MAGIC=C:\FILE\MAGIC.MGC Now try file dictionary.exe (or whatever, etc.) to see if it uses any special .EXE format or DOS extender. It seems something has not been set up appropriately: C:\file ROBERT\MENU.EXE C, 0: Warning: using regular magic file `\FILE\MAGIC.MGC' \FILE\MAGIC.MGC, 1: Warning: offset `◈◈↑' invalid \FILE\MAGIC.MGC, 1: Warning: type `◈◈↑' invalid \FILE\MAGIC.MGC, 6: Warning: offset `Firmware v' invalid \FILE\MAGIC.MGC, 6: Warning: type `Firmware v' invalid \FILE\MAGIC.MGC, 7: Warning: offset `◈' invalid \FILE\MAGIC.MGC, 7: Warning: type `◈' invalid \FILE\MAGIC.MGC, 8: Warning: offset `◈' invalid \FILE\MAGIC.MGC, 8: Warning: type `◈' invalid file.exe: could not find any magic files! Note: I downloaded the archive under Linux. I went to ~/.dosemu/drive_c Created a FILE directory there, went into it and unpacked the archive there with unzip, I hope that was right. 2). Download KGB 1.04: http://archives.scovetta.com/pub/simtelnet/msdos/sysutl/kgb104.zip kgb.exe (start the TSR) dictionary.exe (run the program) kgb /u (unload TSR) edit c:\history.dat (see what files it tried to open) Here is history.dat: OpenFile-R : robert OpenFile-R : menu.exe OpenFile-R : menu.exe Exec: E:\ROBERT\MENU.EXE OpenFile-R : kgb.COM OpenFile-R : kgb.EXE OpenFile-R : kgb.EXE Exec: D:\KGB\KGB.EXE /u It seems it does not even try to execute the file... ? Who knows, maybe one of those two things will help somehow. :-/ Thanks again. So I guess solution one has to be tuned before it can be said whether it can or can't help. Cheers, Sébastien. -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dictionnary program not working
Once I saw firmware in the output, I start to wonder if this program requires a dongle to operate. That was not uncommon for dictionary programs at the time, and is still seen today with USB dongles. Did you run this software on MSDOS previously, and did it require a hardware device? jh On Dec 28, 2011, at 4:07 AM, Shérab sebastien.hinde...@ens-lyon.org wrote: Hello, thanks so much for having taken the time to respond with several tracks to explore ! It will be hard to fix when the software isn't freely available. Most of us aren't willing to download random (still copyrighted) abandonware.:-/ Understood. I was wondering whether dosemu wouldn't offer some debugging facilities that could be useful here... It does, but I don't know what or how to use it, sadly. You'll have to wait for (or nag) Eric Auer or Bart Oldeman or similar to chime in. Or just read the online manuals: http://www.dosemu.org/docs/ Will give the manuals a try, thanks. Incidentally: does dosemu have an (active) IRC channel ? There is one mentioned on the web site but I was unable to connect to the server... But here's two horribly wimpy suggestions to isolate the problem. 1). Download File 5.09: http://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/file509.zip?attredirects=0 Done. Put file.exe in your %PATH% C:\path C:\FILE;%PATH% C:\path PATH=C:\FILE;z:\bin;z:\gnu;z:\dosemu and set MAGIC=/dev/c/fdos/magic.mgc (or similar, /dev/c/ means C:\). C:\set MAGIC=C:\FILE\MAGIC.MGC Now try file dictionary.exe (or whatever, etc.) to see if it uses any special .EXE format or DOS extender. It seems something has not been set up appropriately: C:\file ROBERT\MENU.EXE C, 0: Warning: using regular magic file `\FILE\MAGIC.MGC' \FILE\MAGIC.MGC, 1: Warning: offset `◈◈↑' invalid \FILE\MAGIC.MGC, 1: Warning: type `◈◈↑' invalid \FILE\MAGIC.MGC, 6: Warning: offset `Firmware v' invalid \FILE\MAGIC.MGC, 6: Warning: type `Firmware v' invalid \FILE\MAGIC.MGC, 7: Warning: offset `◈' invalid \FILE\MAGIC.MGC, 7: Warning: type `◈' invalid \FILE\MAGIC.MGC, 8: Warning: offset `◈' invalid \FILE\MAGIC.MGC, 8: Warning: type `◈' invalid file.exe: could not find any magic files! Note: I downloaded the archive under Linux. I went to ~/.dosemu/drive_c Created a FILE directory there, went into it and unpacked the archive there with unzip, I hope that was right. 2). Download KGB 1.04: http://archives.scovetta.com/pub/simtelnet/msdos/sysutl/kgb104.zip kgb.exe (start the TSR) dictionary.exe (run the program) kgb /u (unload TSR) edit c:\history.dat (see what files it tried to open) Here is history.dat: OpenFile-R : robert OpenFile-R : menu.exe OpenFile-R : menu.exe Exec: E:\ROBERT\MENU.EXE OpenFile-R : kgb.COM OpenFile-R : kgb.EXE OpenFile-R : kgb.EXE Exec: D:\KGB\KGB.EXE /u It seems it does not even try to execute the file... ? Who knows, maybe one of those two things will help somehow. :-/ Thanks again. So I guess solution one has to be tuned before it can be said whether it can or can't help. Cheers, Sébastien. -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dictionnary program not working
jhall (2011/12/28 08:34 -0600): Once I saw firmware in the output, I start to wonder if this program requires a dongle to operate. That was not uncommon for dictionary programs at the time, and is still seen today with USB dongles. Did you run this software on MSDOS previously, Yes. and did it require a hardware device? No. The program was not protected by anything. Sébastien. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dictionnary program not working
Hi, On Wed, Dec 28, 2011 at 4:07 AM, Shérab sebastien.hinde...@ens-lyon.org wrote: http://www.dosemu.org/docs/ Will give the manuals a try, thanks. A quick check seems to indicate it's kinda old docs, but maybe it's better than nothing. Incidentally: does dosemu have an (active) IRC channel ? There is one mentioned on the web site but I was unable to connect to the server... No idea, but presumably empty like all other (good) IRC channels. :-/ But here's two horribly wimpy suggestions to isolate the problem. 1). Download File 5.09: http://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/file509.zip?attredirects=0 Done. Put file.exe in your %PATH% C:\path C:\FILE;%PATH% C:\path PATH=C:\FILE;z:\bin;z:\gnu;z:\dosemu I assume c:\file\ is a directory here (with file.exe and magic.mgc inside). and set MAGIC=/dev/c/fdos/magic.mgc (or similar, /dev/c/ means C:\). C:\set MAGIC=C:\FILE\MAGIC.MGC No, you did it wrong, try this (literally): set MAGIC=/dev/c/file/magic.mgc Now try file dictionary.exe (or whatever, etc.) to see if it uses any special .EXE format or DOS extender. It seems something has not been set up appropriately: C:\file ROBERT\MENU.EXE file.exe: could not find any magic files! You didn't set it up the *nix way. It was a quick compile, so I didn't try fixing the *nix-specific behavior, sorry. Here is history.dat: OpenFile-R : robert OpenFile-R : menu.exe OpenFile-R : menu.exe Exec : E:\ROBERT\MENU.EXE OpenFile-R : kgb.COM OpenFile-R : kgb.EXE OpenFile-R : kgb.EXE Exec : D:\KGB\KGB.EXE /u It seems it does not even try to execute the file... ? (shrug) Dunno, maybe your installation is incomplete?? Who knows, maybe one of those two things will help somehow. :-/ Thanks again. So I guess solution one has to be tuned before it can be said whether it can or can't help. Sorry it didn't help more. -- Ridiculously easy VDI. With Citrix VDI-in-a-Box, you don't need a complex infrastructure or vast IT resources to deliver seamless, secure access to virtual desktops. With this all-in-one solution, easily deploy virtual desktops for less than the cost of PCs and save 60% on VDI infrastructure costs. Try it free! http://p.sf.net/sfu/Citrix-VDIinabox ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dictionnary program not working
On Sat, Dec 24, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Shérab sebastien.hinde...@ens-lyon.org wrote: Dear all, I'm trying to use with Linux + dosemu + freedos a french dictionnary which was published about 20 years ago with a search program running under MS DOS. For the moment, I'm not able to make this program work. No matter how I try torn it, nothing happens till I press Enter, which brings me back to the DOS prompt. It is worth mentionning that I tried qemu+MS-DOS 6.22 which lead to the same result. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Also, should you need any additional information, I'm willing to provide them. Hi. I've never used a dictionary program on DOS before, so I can't offer any particular help on this problem. However, others might be able to help if you mentioned the name and version of the program you are trying to use. You don't get any output from the program, so this may be difficult to track down. -jh -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dictionnary program not working
Dear James, thank you so much for having taken the time to respond to my e-mail. Hi. I've never used a dictionary program on DOS before, so I can't offer any particular help on this problem. I've actually seen a report of this dictionnary not working, but I don't think any serious attempt to understand and perhaps fix the problem had been undertaken so far. However, others might be able to help if you mentioned the name and version of the program you are trying to use. It's Le grand Robert 1992, an excellent french dictionnary. You don't get any output from the program, so this may be difficult to track down. I was wondering whether dosemu wouldn't offer some debugging facilities that could be useful here... Thanks again, Sébastien. -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dictionnary program not working
Hi, On Tue, Dec 27, 2011 at 9:22 AM, Sébastien Hinderer sebastien.hinde...@ens-lyon.org wrote: I've actually seen a report of this dictionnary not working, but I don't think any serious attempt to understand and perhaps fix the problem had been undertaken so far. It will be hard to fix when the software isn't freely available. Most of us aren't willing to download random (still copyrighted) abandonware.:-/ However, others might be able to help if you mentioned the name and version of the program you are trying to use. It's Le grand Robert 1992, an excellent french dictionnary. At least that narrows it down. You don't get any output from the program, so this may be difficult to track down. I was wondering whether dosemu wouldn't offer some debugging facilities that could be useful here... It does, but I don't know what or how to use it, sadly. You'll have to wait for (or nag) Eric Auer or Bart Oldeman or similar to chime in. Or just read the online manuals: http://www.dosemu.org/docs/ But here's two horribly wimpy suggestions to isolate the problem. 1). Download File 5.09: http://sites.google.com/site/rugxulo/file509.zip?attredirects=0 Put file.exe in your %PATH% and set MAGIC=/dev/c/fdos/magic.mgc (or similar, /dev/c/ means C:\). Now try file dictionary.exe (or whatever, etc.) to see if it uses any special .EXE format or DOS extender. 2). Download KGB 1.04: http://archives.scovetta.com/pub/simtelnet/msdos/sysutl/kgb104.zip kgb.exe (start the TSR) dictionary.exe (run the program) kgb /u (unload TSR) edit c:\history.dat (see what files it tried to open) Who knows, maybe one of those two things will help somehow. :-/ -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Dictionnary program not working
Dear all, I'm trying to use with Linux + dosemu + freedos a french dictionnary which was published about 20 years ago with a search program running under MS DOS. For the moment, I'm not able to make this program work. No matter how I try torn it, nothing happens till I press Enter, which brings me back to the DOS prompt. It is worth mentionning that I tried qemu+MS-DOS 6.22 which lead to the same result. Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Also, should you need any additional information, I'm willing to provide them. Thanks much in advance for any response, Sherab. -- Write once. Port to many. Get the SDK and tools to simplify cross-platform app development. Create new or port existing apps to sell to consumers worldwide. Explore the Intel AppUpSM program developer opportunity. appdeveloper.intel.com/join http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-appdev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
