[Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
The Dillo web browser has been ported to DOS now. You can download the first beta here: http://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/downloads/list I recently ported the FLTK toolkit to DOS. Based on that I could port the Dillo GUI to DOS. Benjamin Johnson, who ported Dillo to Windows joined me and so this beta is available now based on Dillo for Windows. There is a three-page User Guide in the ZIP archive which will answer many questions that may arise. Georg Potthast -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
Hi Georg, > The Dillo web browser has been ported to DOS now. This came as a complete surprise to me. Thanks very much! This is great news for us DOS users. Dillo worked immediately in my Pentium 166 under FreeDOS. Marcos -- Marcos Fávero Florence de Barros Campinas, Brazil -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
Here is a screenshot of Dillo for DOS running: http://code.google.com/p/nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos/wiki/Dillo_Web_Browser_Screenshot Georg -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
В ответ на сообщение товарища nospam, датированное 17-Nov-2011 21:27: > Here is a screenshot of Dillo for DOS running: > Nice! I will try it. -- bloger -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
I have spotty Internet service right now (traveling, again) so I may have to wait until tomorrow to post this on the FreeDOS web site. Sounds exciting! On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:15 PM, "Marcos Favero Florence de Barros" wrote: > Hi Georg, > >> The Dillo web browser has been ported to DOS now. > > This came as a complete surprise to me. Thanks very much! This is > great news for us DOS users. > > Dillo worked immediately in my Pentium 166 under FreeDOS. > > Marcos > > > > -- > Marcos Fávero Florence de Barros > Campinas, Brazil > > > > -- > All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure > contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, > security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this > data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
Hi Jim, as you can see on the download link it is the first beta version I released. You can surf the web as you can see on the screenshot but there are a couple of issues I am currently working on. These are mentioned in the User Guide. Georg - Original Message - From: "jhall" To: Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:18 AM Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS >I have spotty Internet service right now (traveling, again) so I may have >to wait until tomorrow to post this on the FreeDOS web site. Sounds >exciting! > > > > On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:15 PM, "Marcos Favero Florence de Barros" > wrote: > >> Hi Georg, >> >>> The Dillo web browser has been ported to DOS now. >> >> This came as a complete surprise to me. Thanks very much! This is >> great news for us DOS users. >> >> Dillo worked immediately in my Pentium 166 under FreeDOS. >> >> Marcos >> >> >> >> -- >> Marcos Fávero Florence de Barros >> Campinas, Brazil >> >> >> >> -- >> All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure >> contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, >> security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this >> data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d >> ___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > -- > All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure > contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, > security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this > data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
At the risk of seeming like a baby, may I have a direct link? I did try to google, but the download instructions hinted at needing to build, so I felt I might not have found the most recent page. Looking forward to learning if it will work with my screen reader! Karen On Fri, 18 Nov 2011, nospam wrote: Hi Jim, as you can see on the download link it is the first beta version I released. You can surf the web as you can see on the screenshot but there are a couple of issues I am currently working on. These are mentioned in the User Guide. Georg - Original Message - From: "jhall" To: Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:18 AM Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS I have spotty Internet service right now (traveling, again) so I may have to wait until tomorrow to post this on the FreeDOS web site. Sounds exciting! On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:15 PM, "Marcos Favero Florence de Barros" wrote: Hi Georg, The Dillo web browser has been ported to DOS now. This came as a complete surprise to me. Thanks very much! This is great news for us DOS users. Dillo worked immediately in my Pentium 166 under FreeDOS. Marcos -- Marcos Fávero Florence de Barros Campinas, Brazil -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
This is the direct link: http://nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos.googlecode.com/files/DilloDos-beta1-SFN.zip Georg - Original Message - From: "Karen Lewellen" To: Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 11:32 PM Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS At the risk of seeming like a baby, may I have a direct link? I did try to google, but the download instructions hinted at needing to build, so I felt I might not have found the most recent page. Looking forward to learning if it will work with my screen reader! Karen On Fri, 18 Nov 2011, nospam wrote: > Hi Jim, > > as you can see on the download link it is the first beta version I > released. > You can surf the web as you can see on the screenshot but there are a > couple > of issues I am currently working on. These are mentioned in the User > Guide. > > Georg > > - Original Message - > From: "jhall" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:18 AM > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS > > >> I have spotty Internet service right now (traveling, again) so I may have >> to wait until tomorrow to post this on the FreeDOS web site. Sounds >> exciting! >> >> >> >> On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:15 PM, "Marcos Favero Florence de Barros" >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Georg, >>> >>>> The Dillo web browser has been ported to DOS now. >>> >>> This came as a complete surprise to me. Thanks very much! This is >>> great news for us DOS users. >>> >>> Dillo worked immediately in my Pentium 166 under FreeDOS. >>> >>> Marcos >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Marcos Fávero Florence de Barros >>> Campinas, Brazil >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure >>> contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, >>> security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this >>> data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d >>> ___ >>> Freedos-user mailing list >>> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >> >> -- >> All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure >> contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, >> security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this >> data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d >> ___ >> Freedos-user mailing list >> Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user >> > > > -- > All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure > contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, > security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this > data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > -- > All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure > contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, > security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this > data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
Hi Karen, > At the risk of seeming like a baby, may I have a direct link? www.bttr-software.de/forum/board_entry.php?id=10797&page=0&order=time&category=0 mentions at least two builds: http://nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos.googlecode.com/files/DilloDos-beta1-SFN.zip and http://nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos.googlecode.com/files/DilloDos-beta1.zip The latter only works if DOSLFN is loaded. Also, the thread in the forum mentions several times that people have to read the documentation - there are a few settings related things and a few limitations that are important to know about, for example that you cannot yet download files with DOS Dillo. No version of Dillo yet fully supports Javascript. Also, no background images and plugins are supported. Linux / Windows versions support HTTPS SSL, but I think that is not yet part of the DOS version. All versions of Dillo can support images in PNG, JPG and GIF (depending on libraries) and limited CSS and (depending on libraries?) TTF (true type fonts). Dillo is a lightweight and relatively portable browser and Georg ported the "FLTK" graphics toolkit which Dillo uses a while ago already which made him able to now port Dillo :-) > Looking forward to learning if it will work with my screen reader! To be honest, I somehow doubt that it would - while Dillo is lightweight, it features more fancy graphics than Arachne... To support your screenreader, it would probably have to use plain text or send the text to some API of your screenreader software, right? Of course the latter would be interesting, maybe the API is easy and Georg would be able to help you? Regards, Eric -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
The only part of this I will answer is the last, No none of that is true for the screen reader. On Sat, 19 Nov 2011, Eric Auer wrote: > > Hi Karen, > >> At the risk of seeming like a baby, may I have a direct link? > > www.bttr-software.de/forum/board_entry.php?id=10797&page=0&order=time&category=0 > > mentions at least two builds: > > http://nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos.googlecode.com/files/DilloDos-beta1-SFN.zip > > and > > http://nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos.googlecode.com/files/DilloDos-beta1.zip > > The latter only works if DOSLFN is loaded. Also, the thread > in the forum mentions several times that people have to read > the documentation - there are a few settings related things > and a few limitations that are important to know about, for > example that you cannot yet download files with DOS Dillo. > > No version of Dillo yet fully supports Javascript. Also, no > background images and plugins are supported. Linux / Windows > versions support HTTPS SSL, but I think that is not yet part > of the DOS version. All versions of Dillo can support images > in PNG, JPG and GIF (depending on libraries) and limited CSS > and (depending on libraries?) TTF (true type fonts). > > Dillo is a lightweight and relatively portable browser and > Georg ported the "FLTK" graphics toolkit which Dillo uses a > while ago already which made him able to now port Dillo :-) > >> Looking forward to learning if it will work with my screen reader! > > To be honest, I somehow doubt that it would - while Dillo is > lightweight, it features more fancy graphics than Arachne... > > To support your screenreader, it would probably have to use > plain text or send the text to some API of your screenreader > software, right? Of course the latter would be interesting, > maybe the API is easy and Georg would be able to help you? > > Regards, Eric > > > -- > All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure > contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, > security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this > data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > > -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
Thanks, I posted a news item on the front page. Looking through your library source files, I was happy to see all "Free" licenses: * FLTK: GNU LGPL with exceptions * Freetype: dual-licensed with the Freetype license, or GNU GPL * Microwin: dual-licensed with MPL, or GNU GPL v2 * nxlib: dual-licensed with MPL, or GNU GPL v2 I didn't look into the fonts yet, but I assume you are using free replacements there as well. Thanks! I can't wait to give this a try! -jh On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 1:28 AM, nospam wrote: > Hi Jim, > > as you can see on the download link it is the first beta version I released. > You can surf the web as you can see on the screenshot but there are a couple > of issues I am currently working on. These are mentioned in the User Guide. > > Georg > > - Original Message - > From: "jhall" > To: > Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 5:18 AM > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS > > >>I have spotty Internet service right now (traveling, again) so I may have >>to wait until tomorrow to post this on the FreeDOS web site. Sounds >>exciting! >> >> >> >> On Nov 17, 2011, at 10:15 PM, "Marcos Favero Florence de Barros" >> wrote: >> >>> Hi Georg, >>> >>>> The Dillo web browser has been ported to DOS now. >>> >>> This came as a complete surprise to me. Thanks very much! This is >>> great news for us DOS users. >>> >>> Dillo worked immediately in my Pentium 166 under FreeDOS. >>> >>> Marcos >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Marcos Fávero Florence de Barros >>> Campinas, Brazil >>> >>> -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
Thanks :-) It does something ... upload doesn't work (in Win32 version it works with minor trouble) ... HTTPS doesn't work ... posting in FASM forum works (without attachments only) ... FTP is "strange" ... and there are hangers (temporary and permanent) ... -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
> Here is a screenshot of Dillo for DOS running Another one (shot in DOS but uploaded in Windaube): http://board.flatassembler.net/files/d_948.png -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
Thanks for posting a screenshot of Dillo visiting www.freedos.org. Just curious, does the rest of the FreeDOS site render correctly on Dillo? I use standard HTML & CSS, but does Dillo have support for the CSS directives I'm using? I haven't had time to tinker with Dillo yet, but maybe you could post a few screenshots of the banner and footer? On Nov 19, 2011, at 8:36 PM, dos386 wrote: >> Here is a screenshot of Dillo for DOS running > > Another one (shot in DOS but uploaded in Windaube): > http://board.flatassembler.net/files/d_948.png > > -- > All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure > contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, > security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this > data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
> Just curious, does the rest of the FreeDOS site render correctly on Dillo? The stuff on the left side is far below (bad, not visible on the shot), no further tests. FASM forum (php-BB2) looks good (as long as no big images inside) but produces warns after posting ... php-BB3 looks a bit messy. -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
I am sorry but the FreeDOS pages are examples of pages Dillo will not render properly. Provided you have a packet driver running on your PC, just look through the Dillo.bat file and after that you should be able to run DILLO. Georg @DOS386: SSL, FTP and uploads of files are not supported yet. - Original Message - From: "jhall" To: Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 4:45 AM Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS > Thanks for posting a screenshot of Dillo visiting www.freedos.org. Just > curious, does the rest of the FreeDOS site render correctly on Dillo? I > use standard HTML & CSS, but does Dillo have support for the CSS > directives I'm using? > > I haven't had time to tinker with Dillo yet, but maybe you could post a > few screenshots of the banner and footer? > -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
I guess I need to find some time to install Dillo and see what is not rendering properly on the FreeDOS site. My guess is Dillo does not implement all of the CSS that I am using there. Most likely, it is breaking on absolute placement (this would mean the "tabs" show up at the bottom, as would the left-hand links.) I wonder if a "workaround" would be to detect Dillo on the web site, and treat it like a mobile browser so it gets the simplified pages. If you click on "View mobile site" in the footer, does the page look okay? jh On Nov 20, 2011, at 5:25 AM, "nospam" wrote: > I am sorry but the FreeDOS pages are examples of pages Dillo will not render > properly. > > Provided you have a packet driver running on your PC, just look through the > Dillo.bat file and after that you should be able to run DILLO. > > Georg > > > - Original Message - > From: "jhall" > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 4:45 AM > Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS > > >> Thanks for posting a screenshot of Dillo visiting www.freedos.org. Just >> curious, does the rest of the FreeDOS site render correctly on Dillo? I >> use standard HTML & CSS, but does Dillo have support for the CSS >> directives I'm using? >> >> I haven't had time to tinker with Dillo yet, but maybe you could post a >> few screenshots of the banner and footer? >> > > -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
Here is a screenshot of freedos.org using dillo for Win32 and "View mobile site" http://tinypic.com/r/2q18ig0/5 El 21/11/2011 09:02 a.m., jhall escribió: > I guess I need to find some time to install Dillo and see what is not > rendering properly on the FreeDOS site. My guess is Dillo does not implement > all of the CSS that I am using there. Most likely, it is breaking on absolute > placement (this would mean the "tabs" show up at the bottom, as would the > left-hand links.) > > I wonder if a "workaround" would be to detect Dillo on the web site, and > treat it like a mobile browser so it gets the simplified pages. If you click > on "View mobile site" in the footer, does the page look okay? > > jh > > > On Nov 20, 2011, at 5:25 AM, "nospam" wrote: > >> I am sorry but the FreeDOS pages are examples of pages Dillo will not render >> properly. >> >> Provided you have a packet driver running on your PC, just look through the >> Dillo.bat file and after that you should be able to run DILLO. >> >> Georg >> >> ----- Original Message - >> From: "jhall" >> To: >> Sent: Sunday, November 20, 2011 4:45 AM >> Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS >> >> >>> Thanks for posting a screenshot of Dillo visiting www.freedos.org. Just >>> curious, does the rest of the FreeDOS site render correctly on Dillo? I >>> use standard HTML & CSS, but does Dillo have support for the CSS >>> directives I'm using? >>> >>> I haven't had time to tinker with Dillo yet, but maybe you could post a >>> few screenshots of the banner and footer? >>> >> > -- > All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure > contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, > security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this > data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Marco A. Achury Tel: +58-(212)-6158777 Cel: +58-(414)-3142282 Skype: marcoachury http://www.achury.com.ve -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
Thanks! Looks like Dillo doesn't support background images in CSS, and/or the display:none directive, so it's displaying the word "FreeDOS" in the H1 instead of an image. I can fix that on the web site. On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Marco Achury wrote: > > Here is a screenshot of freedos.org using dillo for Win32 and "View mobile > site" > > http://tinypic.com/r/2q18ig0/5 > > > El 21/11/2011 09:02 a.m., jhall escribió: > > I guess I need to find some time to install Dillo and see what is not > rendering properly on the FreeDOS site. My guess is Dillo does not implement > all of the CSS that I am using there. Most likely, it is breaking on > absolute placement (this would mean the "tabs" show up at the bottom, as > would the left-hand links.) > > I wonder if a "workaround" would be to detect Dillo on the web site, and > treat it like a mobile browser so it gets the simplified pages. If you click > on "View mobile site" in the footer, does the page look okay? > > jh -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
I have not tested dillo for DOS; just the win32 port (on wich DOS port is based) Win32 port have problems with code pages on non-english texts. See this example: http://tinypic.com/r/2exmpgi/5 Was this solved on DOS version -- -- +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ Marco A. Achury Tel: +58-(212)-6158777 Cel: +58-(414)-3142282 Skype: marcoachury http://www.achury.com.ve El 21/11/2011 02:35 p.m., James Hall escribió: > Thanks! > > Looks like Dillo doesn't support background images in CSS, and/or the > display:none directive, so it's displaying the word "FreeDOS" in the > H1 instead of an image. I can fix that on the web site. > > > > On Mon, Nov 21, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Marco Achury wrote: >> Here is a screenshot of freedos.org using dillo for Win32 and "View mobile >> site" >> >> http://tinypic.com/r/2q18ig0/5 >> >> >> El 21/11/2011 09:02 a.m., jhall escribió: >> >> I guess I need to find some time to install Dillo and see what is not >> rendering properly on the FreeDOS site. My guess is Dillo does not implement >> all of the CSS that I am using there. Most likely, it is breaking on >> absolute placement (this would mean the "tabs" show up at the bottom, as >> would the left-hand links.) >> >> I wonder if a "workaround" would be to detect Dillo on the web site, and >> treat it like a mobile browser so it gets the simplified pages. If you click >> on "View mobile site" in the footer, does the page look okay? >> >> jh > -- > All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure > contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, > security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this > data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. > http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d > ___ > Freedos-user mailing list > Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user > -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
> I wonder if a "workaround" would be to detect Dillo on the web site Please don't do it like that ... it's just recycling this B.S. "technology": if (detectIE5) make IE5 happy else if (detectIE5.5) make IE5.5 happy else if (detectIE6) make IE6 happy else if (detectOpera) make Opera happy else ASS'ume IE7 and make IE7 happy endif endif endif endif So my proposal is: simplification YES, detect Dillo (or Arachne or DOSLynx or whatwever) NO. > SSL, FTP and uploads of files are not supported yet. Upload works mostly in Win32 Dillo. > Here is a screenshot of freedos.org using dillo for Win32 and "View mobile > site" > http://tinypic.com/r/2q18ig0/5 ??? I can't see it :-( Anyway, the freedos.org layout is "an issue", but for me the wishlist sorted by importance would be: 0. Hangers 1. Uploads 2. HTTPS / SSL 3. Layout -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
Hi, On Wed, Nov 23, 2011 at 11:58 PM, dos386 wrote: > >> I wonder if a "workaround" would be to detect Dillo on the web site > > Please don't do it like that ... it's just recycling this B.S. "technology": > > if (detectIE5) > make IE5 happy > else > ... > endif Most sites dropped IE6 already. Besides, IE9 is already out with IE10 (Win7 only) on the way. And even MS is jumping on the (complex, unfinished) HTML5 bandwagon (why??). So none of that helps our cause. (Really, all this bloat for "hypertext"??) > Anyway, the freedos.org layout is "an issue", > but for me the wishlist sorted by importance would be: > > 0. Hangers > 1. Uploads > 2. HTTPS / SSL > 3. Layout More likely: 0. Give thanks to Georg for his efforts. (Hey, it's Thanksgiving!) :-) 1. Misc. bugfixes (it's only beta1). 2. Mirror it to iBiblio (or sooner if Jim wants). -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS
On Nov 23, 2011, at 11:58 PM, dos386 wrote: >> I wonder if a "workaround" would be to detect Dillo on the web site > > Please don't do it like that ... it's just recycling this B.S. "technology": > > if (detectIE5) > make IE5 happy > else > if (detectIE5.5) >make IE5.5 happy > else >if (detectIE6) > make IE6 happy >else > if (detectOpera) >make Opera happy > else >ASS'ume IE7 and make IE7 happy > endif >endif > endif > endif > > So my proposal is: simplification YES, detect Dillo > (or Arachne or DOSLynx or whatwever) NO. > Actually, we don't make any provisions for IE on the www.freedos.org site. We do write HTML and CSS that works everywhere. The only time we detect the browser is for mobile devices, since they have a very small screen and lots less memory. (Actually, once I did detect IE6, but only to display a banner to ask people to get off that old browser.) For a while now, I've wanted to update the web site to more gracefully handle images for mobile devices, in a way that renders full size images for regular browsers. That way, everyone wins. I do this on another site that I currently help manage, and it works great. At the same time, I want to move away from background image replacement for the H1 "FreeDOS" title. Originally, this seemed a great idea, but (a) it looks odd in print, and (b) clearly isn't supported by Dillo. We no longer use a stock image anyway, it's a special mod for the banner logo image. So I can do much better with an image named banner_logo.png or some such. And if I'm going to edit pages, I might as well (finally) remove a few divs I no longer use, that are just marked display:none. Dillo doesn't support display:none, so you're seeing the "preamble" text. Maybe I won't detect Dillo as a mobile browser, that might make things look weird, but I'll still do the 3 things mentioned above. And it will still make things better for Dillo on www.freedos.org. jh -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS - beta2
Hi Georg Potthast & Benjamin Johnson, Thanks for Dillo-DOS beta2! -- Marcos Fávero Florence de Barros Campinas, Brazil -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS - beta2
Hi, Benjamin Johnson added file downloads and loading web pages from disk to Dillo. Great! To make these major enhancements available on my website I uploaded a new beta version: http://nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos.googlecode.com/files/DILLODOS_beta2.zip I added support for extended characters using UTF8 fonts. Georg -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS - beta2
Op 26-11-2011 18:32, nospam schreef: > http://nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos.googlecode.com/files/DILLODOS_beta2.zip Hi Georg, does this DOS port of DILLO make Arachne obsolete? Also would using UPX (best mode) on the executable have any advantage? Compression-wise it takes a while due to sequential attempts: upx --8086 --lzma --ultra-brute dillo.exe glad a binary was provided, my head hurts from the (very detailed, thanks!) build instructions at: http://dillo-win32.sourceforge.net/DOS/BUILD.html (as linked to by BTTR forums). -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS - beta2
Hi Bernd, whether Arachne is obsolete I leave to the users to decide. My objective is to provide a better browser than Arachne. However, Dillo will never be able to really compete with Firefox or Chrome. I compressed dillo.exe as you described and gained a file that is 300k smaller. I did not test if that takes longer to unpack again. Georg -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS - beta2
Hi, On Sat, Nov 26, 2011 at 12:30 PM, Bernd Blaauw wrote: > Op 26-11-2011 18:32, nospam schreef: > >> http://nanox-microwindows-nxlib-fltk-for-dos.googlecode.com/files/DILLODOS_beta2.zip > > does this DOS port of DILLO make Arachne obsolete? I doubt it, though it's probably easier to rebuild as it relies on more common toolset (DJGPP). Arachne is pretty good, so I wouldn't discount it entirely. Honestly, I wanted one of these days to start a thread here about Arachne. Last I heard, Glenn had (mostly) stopped working on it, but there's at least one other fork (EDIT: rayandrews ??) that has some updates and rewrites. I really wanted to ask on BTTR what heavy-duty Arachne users prefer, file- and version-wise, in order to update iBiblio (which is a bit anemic for it). Heck, I would've already mirrored a bunch more of it, but I honestly wasn't sure which file was which (weird filenames) as well as not having checked too closely on licensing. > Also would using UPX (best mode) on the executable have any advantage? > Compression-wise it takes a while due to sequential attempts: > upx --8086 --lzma --ultra-brute dillo.exe upx --best --lzma (or) upx --best --lzma --all-filters Probably 90% as good as you'd expect. IIRC, it shrank it down to 2 MB for me (under VirtualBox). You don't want "--ultra-brute" except if you're really patient/bored or if you have a fast cpu (and/or VT-X). Also keep in mind that a 5 MB .EXE (LZMA-decompressed) may be a bit slow unpacking on old 486s or 586s. Not too too bad but still noticeable. If worried, just use "--best", decent enough. P.S. And yes, it works pretty well in VirtualBox (minus a very very few keypress issues). Though I had to "download" it first, heheh, which involved (Mike Brutman's) htget (very minimal but surprisingly useful) and reading the raw text output in a text editor to decide the next thing (hopefully .ZIP) to htget. ;-) > glad a binary was provided, my head hurts from the (very detailed, > thanks!) build instructions at: > http://dillo-win32.sourceforge.net/DOS/BUILD.html > (as linked to by BTTR forums). He actually did a surprisingly good job of giving instructions. Most projects don't even do that. No, I haven't tried, but I (almost) have hope that it will work! (And I'm almost dumb enough to try, heh.) ;-) -- All the data continuously generated in your IT infrastructure contains a definitive record of customers, application performance, security threats, fraudulent activity, and more. Splunk takes this data and makes sense of it. IT sense. And common sense. http://p.sf.net/sfu/splunk-novd2d ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS - beta2
> does this DOS port of DILLO make Arachne obsolete? NO. Arachne supports 8086, Dillo never will. Arachne has bugs and Dillo has bugs, but they have DIFFERENT code origins and different WATT code, so they have DIFFERENT bugs ... so if one doesn't work just try the other one (and some more). > Also would using UPX (best mode) on the executable have any advantage? This dilemma is impossible to resolve finally. > upx --8086 --lzma --ultra-brute dillo.exe No point to use "--8086" - should get rejected for COFF anyway ;-) -- 10 Tips for Better Server Consolidation Server virtualization is being driven by many needs. But none more important than the need to reduce IT complexity while improving strategic productivity. Learn More! http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sdnl/114/51507609/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS - beta2
> Honestly, I wanted one of these days to start a thread here about > Arachne. Last I heard, Glenn had (mostly) stopped working on it completely in 2008-Dec, 3 years ago, R.I.P. :-( > but there's at least one other fork (EDIT: rayandrews ??) that has > some updates and rewrites most is from BEFORE 2008-Dec ... -- 10 Tips for Better Server Consolidation Server virtualization is being driven by many needs. But none more important than the need to reduce IT complexity while improving strategic productivity. Learn More! http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sdnl/114/51507609/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS - beta2
> NO. Arachne supports 8086, Dillo never will. Will Arachne actually run an an 8086? I ran it on a 80486 and even then it was slow... -Original Message- From: dos386 To: freedos-user Sent: Thu, Dec 15, 2011 2:10 am Subject: Re: [Freedos-user] Dillo web browser for DOS - beta2 > does this DOS port of DILLO make Arachne obsolete? NO. Arachne supports 8086, Dillo never will. Arachne has bugs and Dillo has bugs, but they have DIFFERENT code origins and different WATT code, so they have DIFFERENT bugs ... so if one doesn't work just try the other one (and some more). > Also would using UPX (best mode) on the executable have any advantage? This dilemma is impossible to resolve finally. > upx --8086 --lzma --ultra-brute dillo.exe No point to use "--8086" - should get rejected for COFF anyway ;-) - - 10 Tips for Better Server Consolidation Server virtualization is being driven by many needs. But none more important than the need to reduce IT complexity while improving strategic productivity. Learn More! http://www.accelacomm.com/jaw/sdnl/114/51507609/ ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Learn Windows Azure Live! Tuesday, Dec 13, 2011 Microsoft is holding a special Learn Windows Azure training event for developers. It will provide a great way to learn Windows Azure and what it provides. You can attend the event by watching it streamed LIVE online. Learn more at http://p.sf.net/sfu/ms-windowsazure ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
