Re: [Freedos-user] Dual Boot FreeDOS + WINDOWS ?

2021-04-20 Thread Thomas Desi
Hi Eric, 

inspired by your mail (and also help from others in the list! Thank you, 
folks!) I did the following: 

- I made a simple check of booting times:
(startup when I hit the computers power button till the moment the 
system is working)

FreeDOS starting from HD23 sec
FreeDOS starting from USBstick  16 sec (this is inside my editor - 
autostart - and I can type already into a text!)

Windows7 fresh install  59 sec (but not in the editor)

So I did the following:

- install Windows 7
- resize/format a separat 200 MB FAT partition (called „FDOS“)

Now I can do the following:

+ hit the computer POWER ON and start working 16 seconds later (FreeDos, 
Text-Editor)
+  d:(change drive to see the „FDOS“ partition on the HDisk)
+  COPY (or MV) files from the Stick to the HDisk or back
+ save directly to the FDOS partition on the HDisk when in my editor

…and obviously do all stuff (printing!) when I boot into Windows7

This is working nicely for me. No rocket science but a working system.
Looking at the  endless problems I encountered with trying to solve the USB/HD, 
printing issue,  the hard way (which I wouldn’t be able to do anyway)
I am quite happy with this configuration. 

Regarding the boot-time of 16 secs this is even better than booting from HD 
which doesn’t give me any advantage anyway.
So if my FreeDOS bootingstick might become corrupt one day, I just have a copy 
at hand. Files are either on HD or separate Discs save.

Thanks for your suggestions and help, 
- Thomas


> Am 18.04.2021 um 22:25 schrieb Eric Auer :
> 
> 
> Hi Thomas,
> 
>> A dual boot Windows+FreeDos would be absolutely my preferred system...
> 
> Can your Windows version resize itself? Can it create a FAT partition
> for DOS in some other way? Then I think you should do that, maybe
> already copy the contents of the DOS install disk there and boot
> the DOS installer. In the installer, you can now skip the step of
> partitioning and formatting the harddisk and just tell it to use
> the FAT partition as install target. If your Windows itself uses
> NTFS partitions, the FAT partition will be the only one visible
> to DOS and it will be used as C: by DOS after install. It might
> have another drive letter during install if C: is already used by
> the install CD or USB stick, of course.
> 
> Obviously, you should only use a Windows version of which you have
> a license. If that is not the case, it probably is not worth the
> effort to install ANY Windows at all. You can just dual-boot with
> DOS and Linux then and let your Windows apps run in Wine on Linux.
> 
> If you want a dual-boot system with Windows and Linux, the same
> strategy as above should work: Use Linux to resize itself, or
> maybe easier, tell it to create a FAT partition for DOS already
> while you install Linux. Then boot the DOS install disk (CD, DVD
> or USB stick) and tell the installer to use that FAT parttiion,
> without FDISK changing partitions and without formatting.
> 
> I have no idea what XP embedded can do or cannot do, but when
> in doubt, it probably can do a lot less than Linux, because it
> sounds like a stripped-down version of XP and XP is very old.
> 
> Regards, Eric
> 
> PS: The FAT partition for DOS should be a LBA partition and it
> must be a primary (not extended / logical) partition, because
> it is complicated to configure DOS to boot properly otherwise.
> 
> You need to keep that in mind when making / resizing partitions,
> but it should be quite feasible with GPARTED in Linux or maybe
> with built-in or 3rd party tools of more modern Windows versions.
> 
> 
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Re: [Freedos-user] Dual Boot FreeDOS + WINDOWS ?

2021-04-18 Thread Eric Auer


Hi Thomas,

> A dual boot Windows+FreeDos would be absolutely my preferred system...

Can your Windows version resize itself? Can it create a FAT partition
for DOS in some other way? Then I think you should do that, maybe
already copy the contents of the DOS install disk there and boot
the DOS installer. In the installer, you can now skip the step of
partitioning and formatting the harddisk and just tell it to use
the FAT partition as install target. If your Windows itself uses
NTFS partitions, the FAT partition will be the only one visible
to DOS and it will be used as C: by DOS after install. It might
have another drive letter during install if C: is already used by
the install CD or USB stick, of course.

Obviously, you should only use a Windows version of which you have
a license. If that is not the case, it probably is not worth the
effort to install ANY Windows at all. You can just dual-boot with
DOS and Linux then and let your Windows apps run in Wine on Linux.

If you want a dual-boot system with Windows and Linux, the same
strategy as above should work: Use Linux to resize itself, or
maybe easier, tell it to create a FAT partition for DOS already
while you install Linux. Then boot the DOS install disk (CD, DVD
or USB stick) and tell the installer to use that FAT parttiion,
without FDISK changing partitions and without formatting.

I have no idea what XP embedded can do or cannot do, but when
in doubt, it probably can do a lot less than Linux, because it
sounds like a stripped-down version of XP and XP is very old.

Regards, Eric

PS: The FAT partition for DOS should be a LBA partition and it
must be a primary (not extended / logical) partition, because
it is complicated to configure DOS to boot properly otherwise.

You need to keep that in mind when making / resizing partitions,
but it should be quite feasible with GPARTED in Linux or maybe
with built-in or 3rd party tools of more modern Windows versions.



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[Freedos-user] Dual Boot FreeDOS + WINDOWS ?

2021-04-18 Thread Thomas Desi
Hi Eric, thanks for the great reply (again!)

Yes, indeed, this sounds very interesting:  (and maybe also to other folks, to 
work with,  try or get to know FreeDOS.)

> On Sun,20210418- week15, at 21:01, Eric Auer  wrote:
> 
> So depending on how much you want
> it, we could write some howto about how to create a dual
> boot system with Linux (or Windows) 

A dual boot Windows+FreeDos would be absolutely my preferred system for some 
reasons. 
(I guess I could access files created on FreeDOS applications also from 
Windows. Excellent!)

I am ready to start right away to reformat the HD if I could boot DOS or WIN!…
(The only question for me, what Windows to use… and where to get it. Another 
one of those silly questions! Sorry… but windows is everywhere and nowhere)

I have another HP »thin client« (from 2007) with "XP embedded" installed (no 
hd, only flash memory inside). I wonder if »XP embedded« could be used? (MS 
offers a free download 
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/download/details.aspx?id=26558). Is this usable?

Best regards, looking fwd what’s coming next, 
- Thomas



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