Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!
In my opinion it is good that you have the option to buy a PC with or without the operating system. What really sicks me is that absurd idea of the preinstalled OS. I got an Acer laptop, they (almost sure) charged me for the OS, but they didn't give me the official WinXP Pro disk: it was preinstalled, and there was a CD-ROM by which I could restore the whole HD as it was when I bought the PC (that is, with Windows preinstalled and erasing all other stuff added by you), but with NO OFFICIAL Microsoft Windows XP disk. Incidentally, I never cared actually if I had official Microsoft support with it. I ignore how efficient is MS support though (I do remember that the user support of Lotus Development used to be excellent!). This idea of the preinstalled OS, in my humble opinion, SUCKS! (no matter how cheap it can be for me or for Acer). Aitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Yeah, some people just don't like WindowsXP. It's hard to buy a new computer without it installed, though! --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!
Aitor Santamaría Merino schreef: This idea of the preinstalled OS, in my humble opinion, SUCKS! (no matter how cheap it can be for me or for Acer). Aitor [EMAIL PROTECTED] escribió: Yeah, some people just don't like WindowsXP. It's hard to buy a new computer without it installed, though! Yes it sucks indeed. Try restoring a preinstall configuration which needed no boottime drivers (because it was on a standard IDE controller/channel) to a SerialATA disk. Prerequirement is keeping the old IDE disk intact. Simply said, there's no way of adding the boottime driver to the restored configuration on a SerialATA disk. That might require the recovery console, which was not installed on harddisk (winnt32 /cmdcons) or available by any other means (no installation cdrom, just a restore cdrom). And it's difficult to use the partial set of installation files to make a BartPE/PEbuilder cdrom. Basically, I need to buy another 80GB IDE disk, restore the image on it, boot it, then add SerialATA driver, then do a complete diskcopy to the SerialATA disk. That's horrible.. Bernd --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!
Hi Bernd, Yes it sucks indeed. As I see it, there are three separate issues: 1. Moving OEM installs can be a pain 2. Lack of SATA BIOS support can be a pain 3. Restore disks can be a pain With XP, this is all compounded by the Activation system. There are many people complaining on the microsoft groups about problems moving to new hardware and not being able to re-activate. You could consider sticking to IDE instead of SATA. Interestingly, BIOS's such as Dell on Intel hardware appear to be able to see SATA hard drives via INT13 just like any other hard drive, so in this case it's not an issue. In the case of FreeDOS it's pretty much essential to have this kind of support otherwise how will it see the SATA drive? If FreeDOS FDISK can see your SATA drive correctly, you should be able to re-install XP without sepcial drivers, although I've seen a strange thing in the past where I could access SATA from DOS, but not from Windows! -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!
On Mon, 2005-07-18 at 17:02, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, some people just don't like WindowsXP. It's hard to buy a new computer without it installed, though! File a microsoft refund form. Then install your favorite dos and your favorite distro and enjoy. -- +-CWSIV+ || || \ /|\ || |\ / |~~\ /~~\ /~~| //~~\| || \ / | \ || | X |__/||| |( `--.| ||__ | | \| \_/ / \ | \ \__/ \__| \\__/| || ++ --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, some people just don't like WindowsXP. It's hard to buy a new computer without it installed, though! This is true, and this is why Microsoft's dominance is perpetuated. The big OEMs collude with Microsoft, and Joe Average ends up with no choice. The EU tried to get an OEM deal, where they HAD to offer an alternative to Windows, but that idea didn't get very far! I'm lucky to have Win2k on a big network and also at home, and plan to skip Windows XP. I'll be evaluating Longhorn soon, but from what I've seen so far, it's all gloss and no action! -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!
Hi Mark, You can install FreeDOS on a new computer and have it dual-boot with Windows XP as well. This doesn't harm the WindowsXP installation at all and doesn't require re-installing WindowsXP. Hehe, I'm sure this is useful for some folks, but for me it would be like sacrilege! -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!
Yeah, some people just don't like WindowsXP. It's hard to buy a new computer without it installed, though! Hi Mark, You can install FreeDOS on a new computer and have it dual-boot with Windows XP as well. This doesn't harm the WindowsXP installation at all and doesn't require re-installing WindowsXP. Hehe, I'm sure this is useful for some folks, but for me it would be like sacrilege! -- Gerry Hickman (London UK) --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- SF.Net email is sponsored by: Discover Easy Linux Migration Strategies from IBM. Find simple to follow Roadmaps, straightforward articles, informative Webcasts and more! Get everything you need to get up to speed, fast. http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=7477alloc_id=16492op=click ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!
On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 14:06:29 +0100, you wrote: Hi Gerry, I'd been building and testing PCs using Dos622 with MSCLIENT 3.0, but kept runing into limitations, conflicts and lack of memory. I tried Win95 and Win98 boot disks instead, but things got even worse. A brand new server had 4Gb of memory and Win98's HIMEM and EMM386 didn't like this at all. The USB memory sticks also conflicted with EMM386. Exactly same as my problem before using FreeDOS. I extracted the boot sector from there, and copied the kernel, made my own FDCONFIG.SYS and suddenly it's working. I then got hold of the most hacked together alpha, beta, CVS or whatever files I could find together with UMBPCI and made a new build. The best way to start FreeDOS should be boot from ODIN (a one-disk only distribution of FreeDOS), and then install the FreeDOS into hard disk ... you can refer to my homepage: http://johnson.tmfc.net/freedos I've now tested this on a range of modern hardware including dual XEON servers with BIOS controlled RAID, AMD with RAID DOS driver, Intel with BIOS controlled SATA, booting from USB memory sticks and building over the network. Good, thanks for your effort, please feel free express any feelings to the mailing list, I'm interest to your story and experience. The result is incredible. I have tons of spare conventional memory, all my real-mode apps now run properly, and everything is faster than before. The other nice thing is that many of the FreeDOS facilities are designed to work with the newer hardware as well as the old. This is a fantastic operating system. Please help introducing FreeDOS to others! Rgds, Johnson. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happening July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dual core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by HP, AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!
You can install FreeDOS on a new computer and have it dual-boot with Windows XP as well. This doesn't harm the WindowsXP installation at all and doesn't require re-installing WindowsXP. You just put FreeDOS on a trivial amount of disk space at the end of the drive. I worked out a detailed procedure for doing this and would welcome comments. It uses free tools that the Linux guys use for dual booting. See www.k1ea.com/hints Dual-boot Real DOS on Windows XP for a detailed procedure, though a bit MSDOS centric. The keys are shrinking the NTFS partition to make room for DOS, formatting a FAT32 partition, and configuring the dual boot. Mark Johnson Lam wrote: On Sat, 09 Jul 2005 14:06:29 +0100, you wrote: Hi Gerry, I'd been building and testing PCs using Dos622 with MSCLIENT 3.0, but kept runing into limitations, conflicts and lack of memory. I tried Win95 and Win98 boot disks instead, but things got even worse. A brand new server had 4Gb of memory and Win98's HIMEM and EMM386 didn't like this at all. The USB memory sticks also conflicted with EMM386. Exactly same as my problem before using FreeDOS. I extracted the boot sector from there, and copied the kernel, made my own FDCONFIG.SYS and suddenly it's working. I then got hold of the most hacked together alpha, beta, CVS or whatever files I could find together with UMBPCI and made a new build. The best way to start FreeDOS should be boot from ODIN (a one-disk only distribution of FreeDOS), and then install the FreeDOS into hard disk ... you can refer to my homepage: http://johnson.tmfc.net/freedos I've now tested this on a range of modern hardware including dual XEON servers with BIOS controlled RAID, AMD with RAID DOS driver, Intel with BIOS controlled SATA, booting from USB memory sticks and building over the network. Good, thanks for your effort, please feel free express any feelings to the mailing list, I'm interest to your story and experience. The result is incredible. I have tons of spare conventional memory, all my real-mode apps now run properly, and everything is faster than before. The other nice thing is that many of the FreeDOS facilities are designed to work with the newer hardware as well as the old. This is a fantastic operating system. Please help introducing FreeDOS to others! Rgds, Johnson. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happening July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dual core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by HP, AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happening July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dual core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by HP, AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!
On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:03:58 -0400, you wrote: Hi Mark, You can install FreeDOS on a new computer and have it dual-boot with Windows XP as well. This doesn't harm the WindowsXP installation at all and doesn't require re-installing WindowsXP. You just put FreeDOS on a trivial amount of disk space at the end of the drive. My experience is failure. WinXP check the bootsector, it must be nothing or Win9x FAT identical, otherwise after copying the file in text GUI screen and reboot, it won't put XP's boot sector into the hard disk ... I got a non-bootable disk prompt until update the bootsector to Win9x I worked out a detailed procedure for doing this and would welcome comments. It uses free tools that the Linux guys use for dual booting. See www.k1ea.com/hints Dual-boot Real DOS on Windows XP for a detailed procedure, though a bit MSDOS centric. The keys are shrinking the NTFS partition to make room for DOS, formatting a FAT32 partition, and configuring the dual boot. Thanks for your effort. I'll try your way. Rgds, Johnson. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happening July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dual core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by HP, AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] FreeDOS kicks some serious Ass!
Hi Johnson: My attempts have been very successful. The FreeDOS installer has problems if the WindowsXP partition is FAT32...it insists on writing a boot sector to C: no matter what. Just don't use the installer and SYS the disk manually and copy files over. The procedure I wrote up is a bit MS-DOS centric, but works very well. The computer I am typing this on triple boots (actually many more) WindowsXP, DOS, and Linux. Mark On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 09:03:58 -0400, you wrote: Hi Mark, You can install FreeDOS on a new computer and have it dual-boot with Windows XP as well. This doesn't harm the WindowsXP installation at all and doesn't require re-installing WindowsXP. You just put FreeDOS on a trivial amount of disk space at the end of the drive. My experience is failure. WinXP check the bootsector, it must be nothing or Win9x FAT identical, otherwise after copying the file in text GUI screen and reboot, it won't put XP's boot sector into the hard disk ... I got a non-bootable disk prompt until update the bootsector to Win9x I worked out a detailed procedure for doing this and would welcome comments. It uses free tools that the Linux guys use for dual booting. See www.k1ea.com/hints Dual-boot Real DOS on Windows XP for a detailed procedure, though a bit MSDOS centric. The keys are shrinking the NTFS partition to make room for DOS, formatting a FAT32 partition, and configuring the dual boot. Thanks for your effort. I'll try your way. Rgds, Johnson. --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happening July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dual core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by HP, AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user --- This SF.Net email is sponsored by the 'Do More With Dual!' webinar happening July 14 at 8am PDT/11am EDT. We invite you to explore the latest in dual core and dual graphics technology at this free one hour event hosted by HP, AMD, and NVIDIA. To register visit http://www.hp.com/go/dualwebinar ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
