Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE Question.
japhethx gmail wrote: In my previous UIDE comments the word P-R-E-S-E-N-T was truncated by whatever forum software is in use to the word S-E-N-T!! No problem here. There are 3 occurances of sent in your first post, and all threee have a nice pre prefix. Same here in Thunderbird 2.0.0.23 (Windows/20090812) and at http://www.mail-archive.com/freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net/msg09851.html. BUT https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=op.u8y689w0sxzqeq%40dialup-4.246.135.135.dial1.sanjose1.level3.netforum_name=freedos-user shows only sent three times! Japheth's reply at https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=4B8E1358.3090606%40googlemail.comforum_name=freedos-user also misses P-R-E (w/o the hyphens). Must be a SF.net display error. Threaded view is also defunct. Robert Riebisch -- BTTR Software http://www.bttr-software.de/ -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] UIDE Question.
Maybeway36 and Geraldo -- I am the writer of UIDE. To answer your confusion about the UIDE driver, the following may be of help -- UIDE is meant to be a Universal IDE driver for hard-disk and CD/DVD drives. It enables UltraDMA logic for SATA or IDE disks and CDs/DVDs, which some older BIOS programs may not do. When UIDE loads, it asks the PCI BIOS if any Legacy Mode (address 3F0h, 370h, 3E8h, and 368h) and Native PCI Mode (addresses set thru the PCI BIOS) SATA and IDE controllers are present. If so, UIDE then issues EDD BIOS calls to match the posted I-0 addresses for each hard-disk to the controller addresses. Disks which match are run directly by UIDE with normal UltraDMA I-O logic -- UltraDMA is part of the design for both SATA and IDE controllers. CD/DVD drives were not part of the original IBM BIOS spec, so they cannot be detected by PCI/EDD BIOS calls. UIDE thus does its own examination of every SATA/IDE controller detected above, and it then runs the first 8 CD/DVD drives found. Unlike hard-disks, which MUST be on a SATA or IDE controller for UIDE to run them, UIDE will handle a CD/DVD drive on non-PCI legacy controllers, needed by some very old PC systems. CD/DVD drives are enabled to do UltraDMA I-O by UIDE. If a (very old) CD drive cannot do UltraDMA it is run by UIDE in PIO mode, slow but it does the job! After it detects and enables SATA/IDE hard-disks or CD/DVD drives, UIDE caches data for them and for A:/B: diskettes! Both directories and data files are cached, which offers a HUGE speed improvement to all DOS systems, especially when using diskette or CD/DVD files. Hard-disks declared to a BIOS but which did not match a SATA/IDE controller (e.g. SCSI, USB, etc.) are still cached by UIDE which calls the BIOS to handle I-O for the different type of disk. Upon return from the BIOS, UIDE caches the odd disk's data as well. CD/DVD drives not detected by UIDE are not cached, as the BIOS offers UIDE no info about odd CD/DVD drives. XMS memory is used as the cache, and UIDE now allows up to 4-GB of memory for caching. More reasonably, users would likely give UIDE up to 3-GB, keeping 500-MB for a RAM-disk (as in my RDISK driver) and the last 500-MB for user tasks that also need some XMS memory. UIDE does BOTH read- and write-caching. UIDE uses Write Through caching, which writes new output data immediately to disk, unlike Write Back caching that delays writes to see if the data may get updated again. Write Backs are more efficient for compilers or databases but are HORRIBLY complex! I want UIDE to work with all DOS versions, so I will NOT include all the needed special hooks to allow a Write Back cache. UIDE with Write Through caching is fast-enough anyway for most tasks! [Writing diskettes is slow, due to updating directories on track 0.But, when reading diskettes, directory caching DOES improve speed!]. At present, UIDE does not directly handle SCSI or USB hard disks, although if they are declared as BIOS units, UIDE calls the BIOS for their I-O and then caches their data, afterward. Sadly, most USB hard-disks are NOT declared as BIOS units, so UIDE may not be able to run them at all. And at present UIDE handles only SATA or IDE CD/DVD drives as it does not detect controllers other than SATA and IDE. Finally, UIDE does not-yet have logic to handle new AHCI controllers. This should not be a problem, as most AHCIs can be configured via the BIOS to legacy or compatible mode (meaning IDE!), in which case UIDE will run them O.K. Note that UIDE still DOES allow external drivers to call it for caching, in ways similar to its own call the BIOS logic. Nobody has ever used this, though if anybody DOES want to interface a SCSI/USB/etc. driver to UIDE's cache I would be happy to work with them to achieve this. On running UIDE with LBACache/CDRCache, this should NOT be necessary.UIDE provides much-larger and usually faster caches. In cases when protected mode (JEMM386) is used and absolute-maximum speed with smaller caches is desired, LBAcache may be of benefit (protected mode does slow XMS usage by UIDE a little). Real mode (UMBPCI) users will not have any speed problems due to XMS memory. Also, for systems with SCSI or other-type CD/DVD drives that are not detected by UIDE, then CDRcache may be of benefit.But, for most users who have only SATA/IDE hard-disks or CD/DVD drives, UIDE should be used without LBACache or CDRcache. -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE Question.
In my previous UIDE comments the word P-R-E-S-E-N-T was truncated by whatever forum software is in use to the word S-E-N-T!! I have NEVER seen such a thing occur in E-Mail or forums before! Please understand that what seems to be S-E-N-T should be read as the words At p-r-e-s-e-n-t. Someone please FIX this!! -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE Question.
Hi! eheheh :) relax Jack, nice shot regarding uide :) once english is my second language, my english is definitely far worse than your :) Kind Regards and Best Wishes, Geraldo Non dvcor, dvco = Sapere Aude São Paulo, Brasil, -3gmt site: http://exdev.sf.net/ github: http://github.com/geraldonetto msn: geraldo_b...@hotmail.com skype: geraldo-netto icq: 145-061-456 On 3 March 2010 02:32, Jack mezukoyl...@sprynet.com wrote: In my previous UIDE comments the word P-R-E-S-E-N-T was truncated by whatever forum software is in use to the word S-E-N-T!! I have NEVER seen such a thing occur in E-Mail or forums before! Please understand that what seems to be S-E-N-T should be read as the words At p-r-e-s-e-n-t. Someone please FIX this!! -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE Question.
In my previous UIDE comments the word P-R-E-S-E-N-T was truncated by whatever forum software is in use to the word S-E-N-T!! No problem here. There are 3 occurances of sent in your first post, and all threee have a nice pre prefix. -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE question
Hi! I didn't know that, oops btw, what is up with FD 1.1? i still busy(oops, my thesis got rejected here) but of course, as soon as i can, i'll contribute See Ya! Geraldo Non dvcor, dvco = Sapere Aude São Paulo, Brasil, -3gmt site: http://exdev.sf.net/ github: http://github.com/geraldonetto msn: geraldo_b...@hotmail.com skype: geraldo-netto icq: 145-061-456 On 26 February 2010 18:53, Bernd Blaauw bbla...@home.nl wrote: Op 26-2-2010 22:17, Geraldo Netto schreef: Hi maybeway36, Uide is different from lbacache/cdrcache Uide enables ultra dma[1] modes for harddisks while lbacache/cdrcache do cache for harddisks/cdrom Geraldo, by default UIDE includes caching for diskettes, harddisks on controllers and IDE/SATA optical devices. What UIDE doesn't help with is when using different drivers like USB or SCSI CD drivers, or ELTORITO.SYS (for non-emulation booting). I think LBACACHE and CDRCACHE have better statistics you can query, though. Bernd -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
[Freedos-user] UIDE question
With UIDE (http://johnson.tmfc.net/dos/driver.html), do I need LBACACHE and CDRCACHE anymore, or does UIDE server their functions as well? -maybeway36 -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE question
Hi maybeway36, Uide is different from lbacache/cdrcache Uide enables ultra dma[1] modes for harddisks while lbacache/cdrcache do cache for harddisks/cdrom [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_ATA See Ya, Geraldo Non dvcor, dvco = Sapere Aude São Paulo, Brasil, -3gmt site: http://exdev.sf.net/ github: http://github.com/geraldonetto msn: geraldo_b...@hotmail.com skype: geraldo-netto icq: 145-061-456 On 26 February 2010 17:41, maybeway36 maybewa...@gmail.com wrote: With UIDE (http://johnson.tmfc.net/dos/driver.html), do I need LBACACHE and CDRCACHE anymore, or does UIDE server their functions as well? -maybeway36 -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
Re: [Freedos-user] UIDE question
Op 26-2-2010 22:17, Geraldo Netto schreef: Hi maybeway36, Uide is different from lbacache/cdrcache Uide enables ultra dma[1] modes for harddisks while lbacache/cdrcache do cache for harddisks/cdrom Geraldo, by default UIDE includes caching for diskettes, harddisks on controllers and IDE/SATA optical devices. What UIDE doesn't help with is when using different drivers like USB or SCSI CD drivers, or ELTORITO.SYS (for non-emulation booting). I think LBACACHE and CDRCACHE have better statistics you can query, though. Bernd -- Download Intel#174; Parallel Studio Eval Try the new software tools for yourself. Speed compiling, find bugs proactively, and fine-tune applications for parallel performance. See why Intel Parallel Studio got high marks during beta. http://p.sf.net/sfu/intel-sw-dev ___ Freedos-user mailing list Freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/freedos-user
