[Freedos-user] Vista thoughts...

2009-04-19 Thread Michael Robinson
I have never used Vista.  I think the minimum hardware requirements are
too high for me.  Worse than that, I don't even like XP because it's
a pain to deal with activation and an even greater pain to back it up.
I've never figured out how to back up Windows XP.  That said, I don't
use XP very often.  It's annoying when programs like TurboTax don't
work, and it's annoying when sites like nbc.com don't work, but CentOS
fills my needs for the most part.  Freedos opens up even more software,
but there's the problem that getting a hold of commercial dos software
legally is difficult where I haven't seen very many OSS projects for
freedos.

People are saying I hope Windows 7 will be better.  Have any of these
people ever checked out http://badvista.fsf.org?  If activation isn't
annoying enough, try digital rights management that can be hacked
so that you can't use your own media that you created yourself.
I've heard that there are still driver issues in Vista.  The word
on what OEM software has become in Vista land disgusts me.  You should
always be allowed to back up your installation media as many times as
you want in any operating environment you want to.  Windows Vista
raised the operating requirements for Windows, I suppose you need
a dual core computer now.  Am I the only one who doesn't think this
is particularly appropriate?  Is Windows 7 going to magically bring
Vista to older computers?  I doubt it.  I doubt that Microsoft is
going to give up on making it impossible to back up installation
media and I doubt that Microsoft will give up on forcing people
to activate their copy of Windows.  Now is the time to send a message
to Microsoft that the abuse must end and the only way to do that is
to demand a refund when you get a computer with Windows Vista or
Windows 7 installed.  Microsoft has no business denying people the
right to back up their installation media, it has no business forcing
people to activate software that it will later cease to support, it
has no business playing media cop severely impacting performance.

Free operating systems are getting to the point where you can get
along without the latest version of Windows.  Thing is, people have
to actively abandon Windows, a.k.a. demand a refund, before Microsoft
will get the message that it's business practices are unethical and
unacceptable.  It is also necessary to boycott software that requires
Windows because it is not written to be portable to other OS's.
Microsoft Windows is a monopoly OS because people allow it to be.
If the public in general would stop accepting programs that need
Microsoft Windows, Microsoft could not maintain it's monopoly.


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Re: [Freedos-user] Vista thoughts...

2009-04-19 Thread Larry

I haven't used Windows except for rare occasions for years. I use Debian Linux, 
with Freedos in dosemu for occasionally messing around.

--- On Sun, 4/19/09, Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com wrote:

 From: Michael Robinson plu...@robinson-west.com
 Subject: [Freedos-user] Vista thoughts...
 To: freedos-user@lists.sourceforge.net
 Date: Sunday, April 19, 2009, 4:28 PM
 I have never used Vista.  I
 think the minimum hardware requirements are
 too high for me.  Worse than that, I don't even like
 XP because it's
 a pain to deal with activation and an even greater pain to
 back it up.
 I've never figured out how to back up Windows XP. 
 That said, I don't
 use XP very often.  It's annoying when programs like
 TurboTax don't
 work, and it's annoying when sites like nbc.com don't work,
 but CentOS
 fills my needs for the most part.  Freedos opens up
 even more software,
 but there's the problem that getting a hold of commercial
 dos software
 legally is difficult where I haven't seen very many OSS
 projects for
 freedos.
 
 People are saying I hope Windows 7 will be better. 
 Have any of these
 people ever checked out http://badvista.fsf.org?  If
 activation isn't
 annoying enough, try digital rights management that can be
 hacked
 so that you can't use your own media that you created
 yourself.
 I've heard that there are still driver issues in
 Vista.  The word
 on what OEM software has become in Vista land disgusts
 me.  You should
 always be allowed to back up your installation media as
 many times as
 you want in any operating environment you want to. 
 Windows Vista
 raised the operating requirements for Windows, I suppose
 you need
 a dual core computer now.  Am I the only one who
 doesn't think this
 is particularly appropriate?  Is Windows 7 going to
 magically bring
 Vista to older computers?  I doubt it.  I doubt
 that Microsoft is
 going to give up on making it impossible to back up
 installation
 media and I doubt that Microsoft will give up on forcing
 people
 to activate their copy of Windows.  Now is the time to
 send a message
 to Microsoft that the abuse must end and the only way to do
 that is
 to demand a refund when you get a computer with Windows
 Vista or
 Windows 7 installed.  Microsoft has no business
 denying people the
 right to back up their installation media, it has no
 business forcing
 people to activate software that it will later cease to
 support, it
 has no business playing media cop severely impacting
 performance.
 
 Free operating systems are getting to the point where you
 can get
 along without the latest version of Windows.  Thing
 is, people have
 to actively abandon Windows, a.k.a. demand a refund, before
 Microsoft
 will get the message that it's business practices are
 unethical and
 unacceptable.  It is also necessary to boycott
 software that requires
 Windows because it is not written to be portable to other
 OS's.
 Microsoft Windows is a monopoly OS because people allow it
 to be.
 If the public in general would stop accepting programs that
 need
 Microsoft Windows, Microsoft could not maintain it's
 monopoly.
 
 
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