Re: FreeRadius vrs Cisco RADIUS

2003-08-19 Thread Vincent_Giovannone
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 08/19/2003 04:21:20 AM:

> > If you need paid support ("It's busted and I need it fixed RIGHT 
NOW!!"), 
> > then you're obviously SOL running freeradius.  (Don't misinterpret 
this; 
> > the FR team does a bang up job.  BUT they're NOT obligated to do 
> > _anything_ if something in FR doesn't quite work right.)
> 
>   Can I put that paragraph in the FAQ?

Feel free.  :)

Vincent Giovannone
Network Infrastructure Group
Information Services Division
Rush - Presbyterian St. Luke's Medical Center

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told that it was due to his fully loaded sleigh crashing in the back 
garden." 
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Re: FreeRadius vrs Cisco RADIUS

2003-08-19 Thread Alan DeKok
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> If you need to securID authentication _directly_, don't even bother 
> thinking about freeradius; it simply doesn't do it.  (search the mailing 
> archives for a few diatribes by myself.)

  It's at least partially a licensing issue.  However, I *think* that
SecurID comes with a command-line token chek utility, which could then
be run from FreeRADIUS.

> If you need paid support ("It's busted and I need it fixed RIGHT NOW!!"), 
> then you're obviously SOL running freeradius.  (Don't misinterpret this; 
> the FR team does a bang up job.  BUT they're NOT obligated to do 
> _anything_ if something in FR doesn't quite work right.)

  Can I put that paragraph in the FAQ?

> Now, don't get me wrong here.  I _love_ freeradius.  To that end, for my 
> wireless access points, I have ACS handle the radius PEAP requests, and 
> freeradius handle the direct AP management (console login, ssh login, 
> etc.) radius requests.

  Wait a few months.  With the discussions on -devel about TTLS &
PEAP, I'm sure they will be in FreeRADIUS before January.

  Alan DeKok.

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RE: FreeRadius vrs Cisco RADIUS

2003-08-19 Thread Vincent_Giovannone
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 08/19/2003 03:02:17 AM:

> I would agree.  Cisco makes two products for Radius.  One that is
> expensive and the other that is even more expensive.  Neither one has
> all the same features as Freeradius AND neither one works as well.
> 
> Gene Parks
> VIP Direct

That's a rather blanket reply.  I use both freeradius and Cisco ACS. There 
are some HUGE differences between the two, which is why (*duh*) we use 
both.

If you need to securID authentication _directly_, don't even bother 
thinking about freeradius; it simply doesn't do it.  (search the mailing 
archives for a few diatribes by myself.)  Sure, FR can proxy against the 
absolute PILE OF S**T radius server built into ACE, but why put a _great_ 
proxy against a _crap_ source radius server?

PEAP support still seems pretty skechy, at best.  It's experimental, it's 
new, and if you need it to work right now then FR isn't the best choice. 
(LEAP, otoh, seems to be pretty stable in FR.)

If you need paid support ("It's busted and I need it fixed RIGHT NOW!!"), 
then you're obviously SOL running freeradius.  (Don't misinterpret this; 
the FR team does a bang up job.  BUT they're NOT obligated to do 
_anything_ if something in FR doesn't quite work right.)

And lastly, ACS supports some other odd things (safetoken support, plus a 
few other securID wannabees) that just aren't in FR.

Now, don't get me wrong here.  I _love_ freeradius.  To that end, for my 
wireless access points, I have ACS handle the radius PEAP requests, and 
freeradius handle the direct AP management (console login, ssh login, 
etc.) radius requests.

I keep trying to push freeradius into MORE stuff on my network.  But as 
things stand _right_ _now_, they're two different products with different 
strengths.

Vincent Giovannone
Network Infrastructure Group
Information Services Division
Rush - Presbyterian St. Luke's Medical Center

"A four-year-old will very quickly get over news of the death of Santa if 
told that it was due to his fully loaded sleigh crashing in the back 
garden." 
-- Mil Millington


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RE: FreeRadius vrs Cisco RADIUS

2003-08-19 Thread Gene Parks
I would agree.  Cisco makes two products for Radius.  One that is
expensive and the other that is even more expensive.  Neither one has
all the same features as Freeradius AND neither one works as well.

Gene Parks
VIP Direct

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From: Michael Brown [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 1:22 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: FreeRadius vrs Cisco RADIUS


it's free, and it WORKS.

Quoting Zuheir Mheir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> 
> Team,
> 
>  
> 
> How would FreeRADIUS compete with Cisco RADIUS (or other vendors for
that
> matter).  I guess what I am looking for is some feedback from people
whom
> have experienced commercial RADIUS and migrated to freeRADIUS.  Your
quick
> response is greatly apperciated.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
>  
> 
> Zuheir
> 
> 
> 
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Re: FreeRadius vrs Cisco RADIUS

2003-08-18 Thread Michael Brown
it's free, and it WORKS.

Quoting Zuheir Mheir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> 
> Team,
> 
>  
> 
> How would FreeRADIUS compete with Cisco RADIUS (or other vendors for that
> matter).  I guess what I am looking for is some feedback from people whom
> have experienced commercial RADIUS and migrated to freeRADIUS.  Your quick
> response is greatly apperciated.
> 
>  
> 
> Regards,
> 
>  
> 
> Zuheir
> 
> 
> 
> -
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FreeRadius vrs Cisco RADIUS

2003-08-18 Thread Zuheir Mheir

Team,
 
How would FreeRADIUS compete with Cisco RADIUS (or other vendors for that matter).  I guess what I am looking for is some feedback from people whom have experienced commercial RADIUS and migrated to freeRADIUS.  Your quick response is greatly apperciated.
 
Regards,
 
Zuheir
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