Re: [Freesurfer] freesurfer and VBM

2011-01-24 Thread Zheng Hui
Hi Ri,

We have a paper comparing results from freesurfer and VBM.

Chee MW, Zheng H, Goh JO, Park D, Sutton BP. Brain Structure in Young and
Old East Asians and Westerners: Comparisons of Structural Volume and
Cortical Thickness. J Cogn Neurosci. 2010 Apr 30.

Cheers,
Zheng Hui


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> Hello All,
> 
> Are there any papers comparing freesurfer to VBM ?
> 
> Can anyone point me to them ?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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[Freesurfer] freesurfer and VBM

2011-01-24 Thread Ritobrato Datta
Hello All,

Are there any papers comparing freesurfer to VBM ?

Can anyone point me to them ?

Thanks

Ri
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Re: [Freesurfer] mri_gcut killed

2011-01-24 Thread Nick Schmansky
hmm, didnt think of that.  i can experiment on some lesser memory
machines.  thanks for the info.

fyi, the gcut stage is not required, it only attempts additional
'trimming' of dura and surround skull that remains after mri_watershed,
so adding -no-gcut to the end of recon-all is an acceptable workaround.
i suppose recon-all could also not exit on mri_gcut failure due to
out-of-memory (but this is a little hacky).

n.


On Mon, 2011-01-24 at 15:42 -0800, Mehul Sampat wrote:
> Hi Bruce and Nick,
>  
> I think mri_gcut seems to require a lot of memory and might be causing
> the crash ?
> I was running some subjects on a node (16 cpu & 32 GB RAM ;  thus 2GB
> RAM per cpu) and some of the subjects crashed for me at the mri_gcut
> step. (a few lines from recon-all.log are shown below)
> 
>  mri_gcut -110 -mult brainmask.auto.mgz T1.mgz brainmask.auto.mgz
> 
> terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'
>   what():  St9bad_alloc
> reading mask...
> use voxels with intensity 110 as WM mask
> threshold set to: 110.00*0.36=39.60
> calculating weights...
> doing mincut...
> Abort
> -
> 
> They worked if I assigned  4gb per cpu (Also i found i could run
> atmost 12 subjects with 32GB RAM)..
> 
> maybe Michelle has a similar issue ? 
> 
> Mehul
> 
> 
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Bruce Fischl
>  wrote:
> is anything else running on the machine? Maybe some other
> process was
> taking a bunch of memory while the gcut was running?
> 
> 
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2011,
> Nick Schmansky wrote:
> 
> > confirm that both T1.mgz and brainmask.auto.mgz a decent
> images (via
> > tkmedit).  if they are good, then the gcut stage can be
> skipped by
> > adding the -no-gcut flag to the end of the recon-all stream,
> but i have
> > never seen this particular error occur, so i wonder about
> the quality of
> > the input.  if those two files look fine, and gcut still
> gets killed
> > (which is odd), then you can send me those files via our
> file drop and i
> > can try to replicate.
> >
> > n.
> > On Mon, 2011-01-24 at 15:01 -0500, Michelle Umali wrote:
> >> Dear All,
> >> recon-all was killed during mri_gcut.
> >>
> >> Here is the error:
> >>
> >>mri_gcut -110 -mult brainmask.auto.mgz T1.mgz
> brainmask.auto.mgz
> >>
> >> Killed.
> >>
> >> How does one deal with this?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for any help.
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Re: [Freesurfer] mri_gcut killed

2011-01-24 Thread Mehul Sampat
Hi Bruce and Nick,

I think mri_gcut seems to require a lot of memory and might be causing the
crash ?
I was running some subjects on a node (16 cpu & 32 GB RAM ;  thus 2GB RAM
per cpu) and some of the subjects crashed for me at the mri_gcut step. (a
few lines from recon-all.log are shown below)

 mri_gcut -110 -mult brainmask.auto.mgz T1.mgz brainmask.auto.mgz

terminate called after throwing an instance of 'std::bad_alloc'
  what():  St9bad_alloc
reading mask...
use voxels with intensity 110 as WM mask
threshold set to: 110.00*0.36=39.60
calculating weights...
doing mincut...
Abort
-

They worked if I assigned  4gb per cpu (Also i found i could run atmost 12
subjects with 32GB RAM)..

maybe Michelle has a similar issue ?

Mehul


On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Bruce Fischl wrote:

> is anything else running on the machine? Maybe some other process was
> taking a bunch of memory while the gcut was running?
>
> On Mon, 24 Jan 2011,
> Nick Schmansky wrote:
>
> > confirm that both T1.mgz and brainmask.auto.mgz a decent images (via
> > tkmedit).  if they are good, then the gcut stage can be skipped by
> > adding the -no-gcut flag to the end of the recon-all stream, but i have
> > never seen this particular error occur, so i wonder about the quality of
> > the input.  if those two files look fine, and gcut still gets killed
> > (which is odd), then you can send me those files via our file drop and i
> > can try to replicate.
> >
> > n.
> > On Mon, 2011-01-24 at 15:01 -0500, Michelle Umali wrote:
> >> Dear All,
> >> recon-all was killed during mri_gcut.
> >>
> >> Here is the error:
> >>
> >>mri_gcut -110 -mult brainmask.auto.mgz T1.mgz brainmask.auto.mgz
> >>
> >> Killed.
> >>
> >> How does one deal with this?
> >>
> >> Thanks in advance for any help.
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Re: [Freesurfer] mri_gcut killed

2011-01-24 Thread Bruce Fischl
is anything else running on the machine? Maybe some other process was 
taking a bunch of memory while the gcut was running?

On Mon, 24 Jan 2011, 
Nick Schmansky wrote:

> confirm that both T1.mgz and brainmask.auto.mgz a decent images (via
> tkmedit).  if they are good, then the gcut stage can be skipped by
> adding the -no-gcut flag to the end of the recon-all stream, but i have
> never seen this particular error occur, so i wonder about the quality of
> the input.  if those two files look fine, and gcut still gets killed
> (which is odd), then you can send me those files via our file drop and i
> can try to replicate.
>
> n.
> On Mon, 2011-01-24 at 15:01 -0500, Michelle Umali wrote:
>> Dear All,
>> recon-all was killed during mri_gcut.
>>
>> Here is the error:
>>
>>mri_gcut -110 -mult brainmask.auto.mgz T1.mgz brainmask.auto.mgz
>>
>> Killed.
>>
>> How does one deal with this?
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any help.
>> Michelle
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Re: [Freesurfer] ERROR: flag --tablefile not recognized

2011-01-24 Thread Jesse Bledsoe
Thank you Doug. 4.2 uses *-t* instead of *--tablefile. *I need to update to
5.0.

Jesse

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 3:34 PM, Douglas N Greve
wrote:

> I think version 4.2 used a different command-line than 4.5 and higher.
> Check it with --help.
>
> doug
>
> Jesse Bledsoe wrote:
>
>> Hi FreeSurfer team,
>>
>> After running:
>>
>> asegstats2table --subjects /subject1 subject2... /--meas volume
>> --tablefile aseg.stats.txt
>>
>> I receive the following error:
>>
>> ERROR: flag --tablefile not recognized
>>
>> Stamp: freesurfer-Linuxcentos4-stable-pub-v4.2.0
>>
>> Any suggestions are greatly appreciated,
>>
>> Jesse
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Re: [Freesurfer] mri_gcut killed

2011-01-24 Thread Nick Schmansky
confirm that both T1.mgz and brainmask.auto.mgz a decent images (via
tkmedit).  if they are good, then the gcut stage can be skipped by
adding the -no-gcut flag to the end of the recon-all stream, but i have
never seen this particular error occur, so i wonder about the quality of
the input.  if those two files look fine, and gcut still gets killed
(which is odd), then you can send me those files via our file drop and i
can try to replicate.

n.
On Mon, 2011-01-24 at 15:01 -0500, Michelle Umali wrote:
> Dear All,
> recon-all was killed during mri_gcut.
> 
> Here is the error:
> 
>mri_gcut -110 -mult brainmask.auto.mgz T1.mgz brainmask.auto.mgz
> 
> Killed.
> 
> How does one deal with this?
> 
> Thanks in advance for any help.
> Michelle
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Re: [Freesurfer] asegstats2table in version 4.2.0 error?

2011-01-24 Thread Jesse Bledsoe
Hi Krish,

Thank you very much. It turned out that program SureFit was causing problems
with Python.

Just wanted to follow up in case others ran into the same problem,

Jesse

On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Krish Subramaniam  wrote:

> Hi Jesse
>
> it seems the standard Python is not installed with your CentOS
> installation. asegstats2table is a Python script and needs it.
>
> You could either ask your sysadmin to install the Python. or if you have
> the permissions.. do it yourself -- some variant of
>
> sudo yum install python
>
> Best,
> Krish
>
>
> On Dec 7, 2010, at 5:26 PM, Jesse Bledsoe wrote:
>
>  Hi Krish,
>>
>> Thank you for the reply. After typing "import os" into the interpreter I
>> get the following:
>>
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>File "", line1, in ?
>> ImportError: No module named os
>> >>>
>>
>> Any suggestions?
>>
>> Jesse
>>
>> On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Krish Subramaniam <
>> kr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu> wrote:
>> Hi Jesse
>>
>> It seems there's something wrong with your Python installation.
>>
>> Can you do the following?
>>
>> type
>>
>> python
>>
>> and in the interpreter, enter
>>
>> import os
>>
>> and see if it works.
>>
>> -Krish
>>
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2010, at 6:48 PM, Jesse Bledsoe wrote:
>>
>> Hello FreeSurfer group,
>>
>> I am unable to run asegstats2table and cannot view asegstats2table --help.
>> I did some looking in the archives and it seems like there were bugs in
>> previous versions that were fixed before version 4.2.0. Any ideas on how to
>> fix this? At this point I have been creating my own tables and viewing each
>> individual aseg.stats file for each participant.
>>
>> When I use the following:
>>
>> asegstats2table --subjects subject1 subject 2 --meas volume --tablefile
>> aseg_stats.txt
>>
>> I get the following error:
>>
>> 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>  File "/usr/local/freesurfer/bin/asegstats2table", line 4, in ?
>>   import os;
>> ImportError: No module named os
>> Thank you for your time,
>>
>> Jesse (Linux-centos4-stable-pub-v4.2.0)
>>
>> On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 3:43 PM, Jesse Bledsoe  wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I am having difficulty generating an aseg_stats.txt table.
>>
>> When I use the following:
>>
>> asegstats2table --subjects subject1 subject 2 --meas volume --tablefile
>> aseg_stats.txt
>>
>> I get the following error:
>>
>> 'import site' failed; use -v for traceback
>> Traceback (most recent call last):
>>  File "/usr/local/freesurfer/bin/asegstats2table", line 4, in ?
>>   import os;
>> ImportError: No module named os
>>
>>
>> I am on Linux-centos4-stable-pub-v4.2.0
>>
>> Any suggestions are much appreciated,
>> Jesse
>>
>>
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Re: [Freesurfer] ERROR: flag --tablefile not recognized

2011-01-24 Thread Douglas N Greve
I think version 4.2 used a different command-line than 4.5 and higher. 
Check it with --help.

doug

Jesse Bledsoe wrote:
> Hi FreeSurfer team,
>
> After running:
>
> asegstats2table --subjects /subject1 subject2... /--meas volume 
> --tablefile aseg.stats.txt
>
> I receive the following error:
>
> ERROR: flag --tablefile not recognized
>
> Stamp: freesurfer-Linuxcentos4-stable-pub-v4.2.0
>
> Any suggestions are greatly appreciated,
>
> Jesse
>
>
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[Freesurfer] ERROR: flag --tablefile not recognized

2011-01-24 Thread Jesse Bledsoe
Hi FreeSurfer team,

After running:

asegstats2table --subjects *subject1 subject2... *--meas volume --tablefile
aseg.stats.txt

I receive the following error:

ERROR: flag --tablefile not recognized

Stamp: freesurfer-Linuxcentos4-stable-pub-v4.2.0

Any suggestions are greatly appreciated,

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[Freesurfer] mri_gcut killed

2011-01-24 Thread Michelle Umali
Dear All,
recon-all was killed during mri_gcut.

Here is the error:

   mri_gcut -110 -mult brainmask.auto.mgz T1.mgz brainmask.auto.mgz

Killed.

How does one deal with this?

Thanks in advance for any help.
Michelle
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Re: [Freesurfer] statistical question

2011-01-24 Thread MCLAREN, Donald
Just a couple of thoughts.

It depends on what you want to control for AND how you want to control
for it. For example, if the relationship of ICV to X differs between
boys and girls, you might want to control ICV separately for each
group.

The results after controlling for ICV are those brain
regions/volumes/thickness that are not explained by ICV. If ICV and
region X are highly correlated and region X is related to your
independent variable, then you would conclude that that region is
related, whereas it could be due to ICV. Additionally, there are
probably a number of regions highly correlated with ICV, which make
them potentially less interesting.

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On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:59 AM, Ilana Hairston  wrote:
> Hi there,
> This is a bit outside the pure technical questions.
> My subject pool has both boys and girls, with the boys having larger
> intracranial volume.
> My results when controlling for gender and intracranial volume however are
> not the same (obviously, one is a dichotomous variable, the other
> continuous).
> Looking at the results, i prefer the latter over the former, more consistent
> with the literature, and more internally consistent (i.e., brain regions
> associated with intenalizing sub-scales and the internalizing total scale).
> But it could be argued that I am removing important variance - maybe
> stressed out kids have smaller heads?
>
> Any recommendation?
>
> thanks
>
>
>
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[Freesurfer] statistical question

2011-01-24 Thread Ilana Hairston
Hi there,
This is a bit outside the pure technical questions.
My subject pool has both boys and girls, with the boys having larger
intracranial volume.
My results when controlling for gender and intracranial volume however are
not the same (obviously, one is a dichotomous variable, the other
continuous).
Looking at the results, i prefer the latter over the former, more consistent
with the literature, and more internally consistent (i.e., brain regions
associated with intenalizing sub-scales and the internalizing total scale).
But it could be argued that I am removing important variance - maybe
stressed out kids have smaller heads?

Any recommendation?

thanks




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