Re: [Freesurfer] pwd: permission denied

2012-03-07 Thread lordowen
Hi Marcel:

Do you using Mac? If so, please unlock your root account, then
change to the root account (re-login as root or using 'su' command in
terminal window). We also have this problem one month ago. It is
because that the default setting for root account in OS X 10.7.x is
hidden in the beginning, and FS need root account to operate. So if
your OS X is upgraded to 10.7.x, then you will have problem. The FS
ran smoothly under our old version OS X (10.6.x).

Hope this help.

2012/3/6 Marcel Zwiers m.zwi...@fcdonders.ru.nl:
 Hi Michael,

 Thanks for your help and suggestions!

 I'd have to try to recreate the error, but I have an idea of what it could
 be (assuming
 /home/control/marhoo/Projects/BIG/Freesurfer_CorticalThickness/BIG1026_1 is
 a directory).

 Actually not yet,
 /home/control/marhoo/Projects/BIG/Freesurfer_CorticalThickness is a
 directory but BIG1026_1 is supposed to be created by recon-all (but wasn't
 as a consequence of the error).

 While you may have read, write, and execute permissions to your colleague's
 directory, you must make sure that these permissions have been recursively
 added to the contents of that directory (child directories, child directory
 files, and directory files).

 There are only *.nii.gz files in that directory plus a few extra files and
 (symbolic links to) folders that I assume should have nothing to do with the
 error? The content looks like this (ls -al):

 drwxrwxr-x  2 marhoo big   352256 Mar  6 09:51 ./
 drwxrwx--x 15 marhoo big 4096 Feb 29 15:49 ../
 -rw--- 1 marzwi big 12219623 Mar  2 16:06 BIG1026_1.nii.gz
 [..]
 -rw--- 1 marzwi big 12219623 Mar  2 16:06 BIG4025_1.nii.gz
 -rw-rwxr-- 1 marhoo big75806 Feb 27 10:54 BIG_aseg_stats.log*
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 marhoo big   34 Feb 19 09:12 fsaverage -
 /opt/freesurfer/subjects/fsaverage/
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 marhoo big   38 Feb 19 09:12 lh.EC_average -
 /opt/freesurfer/subjects/lh.EC_average/
 lrwxrwxrwx 1 marhoo big   38 Feb 19 09:12 rh.EC_average -
 /opt/freesurfer/subjects/rh.EC_average/
 -rw-rwxr-- 1 marhoo big18200 Sep 27 10:39 v5.0.txt*
 -rw-rwxr-- 1 marhoo big 3220 Sep 27 10:39 v5.1.txt*
 -rw-rwxrw-  1 marhoo big  523 Feb 24 10:07 .xdebug_tkmedit*

 I believe that your problem is that the file BIG1026_1.nii.gz (however, from
 my experience this file should not simply be in the BIG1026_1 folder but in
 the orig directory of the mri folder) has not inherited the specified
 permissions from its parent directory.

 My username is marzwi, I am member of the big group and I have rw
 permissions of all the files and directories (see listing above).

 If this does not correct the error, set the environmental SUBJECTS_DIR
 variable to the directory housing the subject directories (making sure that
 your colleague gives you sufficient access to this directory), lose the -sd
 path in the command, and make sure that you have read, write, execute
 permissions recursively added to the directories and files that you will be
 working with.

 I did that but the error message remains. Here's the full message, started
 from a newly opened bash terminal:

  freesurfer-Linux-centos4_x86_64-stable-pub-v5.1.0 
 Setting up environment for FreeSurfer/FS-FAST (and FSL)
 FREESURFER_HOME   /opt/freesurfer
 FSFAST_HOME   /opt/freesurfer/fsfast
 FSF_OUTPUT_FORMAT nii.gz
 SUBJECTS_DIR  /opt/freesurfer/subjects
 MNI_DIR   /opt/freesurfer/mni
 FSL_DIR   /opt/fsl
 mentat002:$ export
 SUBJECTS_DIR=/home/mrphys/marzwi/BIG/Freesurfer_CorticalThickness
 mentat002:$ recon-all -subject BIG1026_1 -i BIG1026_1.nii.gz -autorecon1

 /bin/pwd: cannot open directory `../..': Permission denied
 mkdir: cannot create directory `/BIG1026_1': Permission denied
 mkdir: cannot create directory `/BIG1026_1': Permission denied
 cp: cannot create regular file `/BIG1026_1/scripts/build-stamp.txt': No such
 file or directory
 cat: /BIG1026_1/scripts/build-stamp.txt: No such file or directory
 INFO: FreeSurfer build stamps do not match
 Subject Stamp:
 Current Stamp: freesurfer-Linux-centos4_x86_64-stable-pub-v5.1.0
 INFO: SUBJECTS_DIR is
 Actual FREESURFER_HOME /opt/freesurfer-v5.1
 /BIG1026_1: No such file or directory.

 Another option would be if your colleague set up a subjects directory
 within his parent directory and add each subject's folder to this directory
 and then setting this as your SUBJECTS_DIR variable (ensuring you have read,
 write, execute permissions).

 I created a subfolder, copied the BIG1026_1.nii.gz file into it and ran
 recon-all using this subfolder as SUBJECTS_DIR but I kept getting permission
 denied errors.

 I hope this helps; however, not knowing the version of free surfer that you
 are running nor the operating system makes it difficult to troubleshoot your
 problem. Let me know if you arrive at a solution or require further
 assistance.

 Thanks,

 Michael Nowak


 I hope the info above can help troubleshooting my problem. Thanks a lot
 Michael!

 Cheers,
 

[Freesurfer] About new FS version

2012-03-07 Thread Gabriel Gonzalez Escamilla
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[Freesurfer] How to find the anatomical slices in the data?

2012-03-07 Thread bowang21
Dear All,
Now I have some datas which are including anatomical data and function 
data,and I want to find the anatomical slices from them to run command 
'recon-all'.How can I do?
   Yours



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[Freesurfer] save custom made path on surface as label

2012-03-07 Thread Erhan Genc
Dear freesurfer experts,

I draw a path with the tksurfer tools on a surface, but was not able to
save this path as a label. During the custom fill step it marked the whole
surface and not just the path. I think it is because the path is not
closed. Is there still a way to get a path as a label file?

cheers,

erhan

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[Freesurfer] aparc.a2005s+aseg.mgz

2012-03-07 Thread Kern, Mark
Dear Freesurfer Mavens,

After running recon-all -all on a set of anatomical data, I wished to used 
the aparc.a2005s+aseg.mgz in a connectivity analysis pipeline to create some 
ROI masks.  I was particularly interested in the subcortical regions contained 
in the a2005s scheme.  However, the aparc.a2005s+aseg.mgz file was not created 
during the recon-all processing run.  Is there a way to get the a2005s 
segmentation data?

Thanks for your help.

Best,

Mark

Senior Research Scientist
Division of Gastroenterology and Hepatology
Departmernt of Medicine
Medical College of Wisconsin
Milwaukee, WI
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Re: [Freesurfer] mri_label2vol cannot allocate memory

2012-03-07 Thread Anthony Dick
Hello--I am giving this message a bump. Please let me know if there are 
any suggestions. Thanks!

Anthony

On 2/15/12 1:43 PM, Anthony Dick wrote:
 Hello,

 I have run the following successfully, but when I have moved on to other
 brains I get:

 mri_label2vol --seg chuman_1.mgz --temp orig.mgz --regheader
 chuman_1.mgz --o chuman_1.conf.mgz
 MRIalloc: could not allocate 975187978 frame

 Cannot allocate memory

 I am running a Mac Pro with 8GB RAM.

 Anthony



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Re: [Freesurfer] How to find the anatomical slices in the data?

2012-03-07 Thread Bruce Fischl
if it's Siemens dicoms you can try unpacksdcmdir

On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, 
bowan...@mail.ustc.edu.cn wrote:

 Dear All,
Now I have some datas which are including anatomical data and function 
 data,and I want to find the anatomical slices from them to run command 
 'recon-all'.How can I do?
   Yours



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Re: [Freesurfer] qdec

2012-03-07 Thread Sita Kakunoori

Hi Julia,

Please try deleting the space in 'Left Amygdala' and 'Right Amygdala' in 
your test.dat file and rerun qdec.

Sita.



On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Richter, Julia wrote:

 Dear Sir or Madam,

 I have a question concerning FreeSurfer. At the moment I am trying to run a 
 qdec analysis. I have already written the qdec.table.dat (attached, labeled 
 test.dat) and a file labeled diagnosis.level.dat, in which all possible 
 levels are listed (also attached).

 When I try to load the data table, I get an error message (as you can see in 
 the attached screenshot). Can you please help me to solve the problem?

 Thanks a lot,

 yours sincerely,

 Julia Richter



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Re: [Freesurfer] save custom made path on surface as label

2012-03-07 Thread Bruce Fischl
Yes, you probably need to generate a closed path, or a closed cut. I'm 
not sure if we support saving paths as label files. Anyone know?


Bruce
On Wed, 7 
Mar 2012, Erhan Genc wrote:



Dear freesurfer experts,
I draw a path with the tksurfer tools on a surface, but was not able to save 
this path as a label. During the custom fill step it marked the whole
surface and not just the path. I think it is because the path is not closed. Is 
there still a way to get a path as a label file?

cheers,

erhan

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Max Planck Institute for Brain Research
Department of Neurophysiology
Deutschordenstr. 46
60528 Frankfurt am Main
-GERMANY-
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fax:    +49 (69) 96769-327
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Re: [Freesurfer] mri_label2vol cannot allocate memory

2012-03-07 Thread Bruce Fischl
Hi Anthony

sounds like there is something wrong with one of your volumes. Can you ru 
mri_info on them?

Bruce
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Anthony Dick wrote:

 Hello--I am giving this message a bump. Please let me know if there are
 any suggestions. Thanks!

 Anthony

 On 2/15/12 1:43 PM, Anthony Dick wrote:
 Hello,

 I have run the following successfully, but when I have moved on to other
 brains I get:

 mri_label2vol --seg chuman_1.mgz --temp orig.mgz --regheader
 chuman_1.mgz --o chuman_1.conf.mgz
 MRIalloc: could not allocate 975187978 frame

 Cannot allocate memory

 I am running a Mac Pro with 8GB RAM.

 Anthony




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[Freesurfer] White Matter question

2012-03-07 Thread Dhinakaran Chinappen
Dear all,

I was wondering if you have encountered this issue before:

Would you anticipate a difference between the volume calculated by
Freesurfer 5.0 in Cerebral-White-Matter volume and the total volume
calculated from the regions (defined by the Desikan atlas) in wmparc.stats?

In one of my studies, the Cerebral-White-Matter volume is bigger than the
volume obtained by summing up the regions in wmparc.stats on average and
for individual patients as well.

Is there an anatomical reason behind this? Which measure should be
preferentially used?

Help would be much appreciated.

Thanks,
Dhinakaran.
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Re: [Freesurfer] Interpreting Results

2012-03-07 Thread Bruce Fischl

Hi Allie

the real question is whether the surfaces are accurate in that place for 
that subject. The only way to tell is to visually inspect them.


cheers
Bruce
On Wed, 7 
Mar 2012, Allie Rosen wrote:



Hi Bruce,
I'm not sure if this qualifies as an outlier, but I do have one individual (and 
the age-matched control) who is much older than the rest (see
attached). Do you think elimination of this subject could make the comparison 
possible?

Thanks,
Allie



On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Bruce Fischl fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:
  do you have a big outlier in the thickness measures? I didn't see one. It 
seems unlikely that all your subject have a defect in that
  spot
  On Tue, 6 Mar 2012, Douglas N Greve wrote:

It means that any comparison depends on age. Eg, if you compare 
them at
an age where the lines cross, you will see no effect. If you compare
them at age=0 (what you were doing before), then you see a big 
effect.
Some statisticians will say that you cannot do the comparison in the
presence of an interaction.
dogu

Allie Rosen wrote:
  So if my findings show that each group ages differently, does 
that
  mean I can't compare them at all because I can't regress out 
age? Or
  is there some way of comparing the groups despite this 
difference in
  aging patterns?

  Thanks again,
  Allie

  On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Douglas N Greve
  gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 
mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:

     It might, don't know

     Allie Rosen wrote:

         Hi Doug,

         Yes, I think there actually may be a topologic defect 
in this
         area, although not directly where the cluster is 
(attached).
         Could this be the cause of the thickness result? If I 
go back
         and try to repair the defect, will that make the 
results more
         typical and, more importantly, correct?

         Thanks again,
         Allie



         On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Douglas N Greve
         gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 
mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
         mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
         mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:

            Hi Allie, yes, it means that each group is affected
         differently by
            age. The controls are increasing their thickness 
with age
         in this
            area (which seems strange, usually you expect 
general decreases
            with age). You might check the quality of the 
surfaces in
         this area.
            doug

            Allie Rosen wrote:

                Hi Doug,

                Thanks for the response. I've actually already 
run an
                interaction contrast and the same area is still 
significant
                (attached). I'm not sure how to interpret this 
either,
                unfortunately. Does it say that both groups are 
affected
                significantly differently by age? Can you tell 
me what it
                means? I'm having problems trying to do this 
myself.

                Thanks very much,
                Allie

                On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Douglas N Greve
                gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
         mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
         mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
         mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
                mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
         mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu

                mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
         mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:

                   Allie, to be more precise, you have selected
         controlpatient
                   regressing out the effects of age. This 
second part
         is the key.
                    If you were to trace the regression lines 
back to
         age=0 (the
                   meaning of regressing out age), then
         controlpatient by a
                wide
                   margin. But you have a problem here in that 
the
         regression
     

Re: [Freesurfer] pwd: permission denied

2012-03-07 Thread Marcel Zwiers
Hallelujah ! Problem solved! Here's what happened: both tcsh pwd and /bin/pwd 
give errors when a directory is executable (+x) but not readable (-r). And in 
my case, the colleague of mine fully opened up $SUBJECTS_DIR for me, but (and 
this is also how it should be done) only provided me with executable rights for 
the parent directories. I haven't figured out why recon-all needs to call pwd 
on these parent directories at all -- I leave that one for the recon-all tcsh 
gurus :-) My hack was to replace every pwd call in the recon-all script by the 
built-in bash pwd call (which only needs +x permissions). It's not very pretty, 
but hey, must of us aren't! To be precise, this is what did it for me (NB: some 
of the pwd replacements may be unnecessary): diff myrecon-all 
/opt/freesurfer/bin/recon-all 296c296  set PWD = bash -c 'pwd'; ---  set 
PWD = pwd; 298c298  # if ( -e /bin/pwd ) set PWD = /bin/pwd ---  if ( -e 
/bin/pwd ) set PWD = /bin/pwd 361c361  set freesurfer_home_true = `$PWD`; --- 
 set freesurfer_home_true = `pwd`; 382c382  $PWD  $ENVF ---  pwd  $ENVF 
3819c3819  echo PWD `$PWD`  $ErrorFile ---  echo PWD `pwd`  
$ErrorFile 3880c3880  set InVolDir = `$PWD`; ---  set InVolDir = `pwd`; 
4943c4943  setenv FREESURFER_HOME `$PWD`; ---  setenv FREESURFER_HOME `pwd`; 
Hope this may be of use to anyone encountering the same problem and that this 
tcsh bin  /bin/pwd problem may be taken into account in future recon-all 
versions. All the best and thanks a lot for all your time and kind help, 
Marcel.   Hi,
 
  I am new to FS and have encountered a weird problem that I do not
  know how
  to solve and did not find any earlier
  postings on. When I run recon-all on a file in my own home
  directory
  everything works normally:
 
  recon-all -subject BIG1026_1 -sd /home/mrphys/marzwi/test -i
  BIG1026_1.nii.gz
  -autorecon1
  [..]
 
  However, if I run the same command on the same file, except that
  this file
  is now located in a directory of a
  colleague of mine that I certainly have full access to (+r+w+x), I
  immediately get a 'permission denied' error:
 
  recon-all -subject BIG1026_1 -sd /home/control/marhoo/Projects
  /BIG/Freesurfer_CorticalThickness -i BIG1026_1.nii.gz -autorecon1
  pwd: cannot open directory `../..': Permission denied
  /bin/pwd: cannot open directory `../..': Permission denied
  mkdir: cannot create directory `/BIG1026_1': Permission denied
  [..]
 
  From the error message it seems to me as if FS is trying to access
  the
  parent directory (of which I do not have
  full rights but only -r-w+x)? As this does not make a lot of sense
  to me I
  suspect there must be another cause
  and hope you have any ideas here.
 
  Cheers,
  Marcel
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Re: [Freesurfer] pwd: permission denied

2012-03-07 Thread Marcel Zwiers
Hallelujah ! Problem solved! Here's what happened: both tcsh pwd and /bin/pwd 
give errors when a directory is executable (+x) but not readable (-r). And in 
my case, the colleague of mine fully opened up $SUBJECTS_DIR for me, but (and 
this is also how it should be done) only provided me with executable rights for 
the parent directories. I haven't figured out why recon-all needs to call pwd 
on these parent directories at all -- I leave that one for the recon-all tcsh 
gurus :-) My hack was to replace every pwd call in the recon-all script by the 
built-in bash pwd call (which only needs +x permissions). It's not very pretty, 
but hey, must of us aren't! To be precise, this is what did it for me (NB: some 
of the pwd replacements may be unnecessary): diff myrecon-all 
/opt/freesurfer/bin/recon-all 296c296  set PWD = bash -c 'pwd'; ---  set 
PWD = pwd; 298c298  # if ( -e /bin/pwd ) set PWD = /bin/pwd ---  if ( -e 
/bin/pwd ) set PWD = /bin/pwd 361c361  set freesurfer_home_true = `$PWD`; --- 
 set freesurfer_home_true = `pwd`; 382c382  $PWD  $ENVF ---  pwd  $ENVF 
3819c3819  echo PWD `$PWD`  $ErrorFile ---  echo PWD `pwd`  
$ErrorFile 3880c3880  set InVolDir = `$PWD`; ---  set InVolDir = `pwd`; 
4943c4943  setenv FREESURFER_HOME `$PWD`; ---  setenv FREESURFER_HOME `pwd`; 
Hope this may be of use to anyone encountering the same problem and that this 
tcsh bin  /bin/pwd problem may be taken into account in future recon-all 
versions. All the best and thanks a lot for all your time and kind help, 
Marcel.   Hi,
 
  I am new to FS and have encountered a weird problem that I do not
  know how
  to solve and did not find any earlier
  postings on. When I run recon-all on a file in my own home
  directory
  everything works normally:
 
  recon-all -subject BIG1026_1 -sd /home/mrphys/marzwi/test -i
  BIG1026_1.nii.gz
  -autorecon1
  [..]
 
  However, if I run the same command on the same file, except that
  this file
  is now located in a directory of a
  colleague of mine that I certainly have full access to (+r+w+x), I
  immediately get a 'permission denied' error:
 
  recon-all -subject BIG1026_1 -sd /home/control/marhoo/Projects
  /BIG/Freesurfer_CorticalThickness -i BIG1026_1.nii.gz -autorecon1
  pwd: cannot open directory `../..': Permission denied
  /bin/pwd: cannot open directory `../..': Permission denied
  mkdir: cannot create directory `/BIG1026_1': Permission denied
  [..]
 
  From the error message it seems to me as if FS is trying to access
  the
  parent directory (of which I do not have
  full rights but only -r-w+x)? As this does not make a lot of sense
  to me I
  suspect there must be another cause
  and hope you have any ideas here.
 
  Cheers,
  Marcel
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Re: [Freesurfer] FS 5.1 control points problem

2012-03-07 Thread Sita Kakunoori

Hi Tanja,

Sorry if I missed something but was the cortex stripped off even 
before you made any edits. If so, it's probably skull strip error. Please 
refer to this wiki for instructions to correct the error.

https://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/FsTutorial/SkullStripFix

But if part of the brain is missing only after you added control points 
and ran -autorecon2-cp -autorecon3, then please check if any of the 
control points were placed in GM or really close to GM.

Sita.



On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Tetiana Dadakova wrote:

 Dear FS list,

 We started using FS 5.1 and encountered a problem with control points.
 After first recon-all some of the cortex (in occipital part) was
 missing, so we added control points and re-ran -autorecon2-cp
 -atorecon3.
 After that, the part of the brain with control points was removed from
 brainmask.mgz (Fig1).

 I never had this problem in 5.0, therefore I assume that something has
 been changed in 5.1 regarding cp. Could you please suggest what can be
 the problem and if it is described somewhere?

 Thank you,
 Tanja.

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Re: [Freesurfer] mri_label2vol cannot allocate memory

2012-03-07 Thread Douglas N Greve
Hi Anthony, what's in chuman_1.mgz? How many labels?
doug

Anthony Dick wrote:
 Hello--I am giving this message a bump. Please let me know if there are 
 any suggestions. Thanks!

 Anthony

 On 2/15/12 1:43 PM, Anthony Dick wrote:
   
 Hello,

 I have run the following successfully, but when I have moved on to other
 brains I get:

 mri_label2vol --seg chuman_1.mgz --temp orig.mgz --regheader
 chuman_1.mgz --o chuman_1.conf.mgz
 MRIalloc: could not allocate 975187978 frame

 Cannot allocate memory

 I am running a Mac Pro with 8GB RAM.

 Anthony

 


   

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[Freesurfer] freesurfer 5.1 error: MPR2MNI305_TARGET: Undefined variable

2012-03-07 Thread Ian Charest
Hi

When running recon-all I get the following error:

ERROR: mpr2mni305 failed, see transforms/talairach_avi.log

I called recon-all like so:

recon-all -i 
/imaging/ic01/mridata/subject01/structurals/subject01.MR.SEQUENCE.0014.0001.2011.12.16.57.613319.8231038.IMA
 -all -subjid subject01

I checked the talairach_avi.log file (see the full report below), and the 
mistake happens at the call to mpr2mni305

MPR2MNI305_TARGET: Undefined variable.

I searched the mailing list for similar errors and saw a similar post here:

https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/pipermail//freesurfer/2011-May/018445.htmlhttps://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/pipermail/freesurfer/2011-May/018445.html

but in this user's case there seemed to be a problem with the MPRAGE image 
itself (the brain seemed squashed)

I checked the dimensions of my orig.mgz and they are ok (1x1x1). I had a look 
at my orig.mgz in tkmedit and all seems fine.

Any Idea what could be going wrong?

Best Wishes

Ian Charest

==
talairach_avi.log:

/imaging/ic01/subjects/subject01/mri
/imaging/local/software/freesurfer/5.1.0/i686//bin/talairach_avi
--i orig.mgz --xfm transforms/talairach.auto.xfm
$Id: talairach_avi,v 1.9 2011/03/02 18:38:06 nicks Exp $
Linux l34 2.6.9-89.0.25.ELsmp #1 SMP Mon Apr 19 06:05:15 EDT 2010 i686 i686 
i386 GNU/Linux
Wed Mar  7 16:56:30 GMT 2012
/imaging/local/software/freesurfer/5.1.0/i686/bin_original/mri_convert orig.mgz 
talsrcimg.img
$Id: mri_convert.c,v 1.179.2.2 2011/05/16 20:53:47 greve Exp $
reading from orig.mgz...
TR=2300.00, TE=2.96, TI=900.00, flip angle=9.00
i_ras = (-1, 4.65661e-08, -4.09782e-08)
j_ras = (-2.23517e-08, -3.72529e-09, -1)
k_ras = (3.81842e-08, 1, -6.98492e-10)
writing to talsrcimg.img...
Analyze Output Matrix
-1.000  -0.000   0.000   132.161;
0.000  -0.000   1.000  -103.886;
-0.000  -1.000  -0.000   97.205;
0.000   0.000   0.000   1.000;

INFO: set hdr.hist.orient to -1
mpr2mni305 talsrcimg
Wed Mar  7 16:56:34 GMT 2012
/imaging/local/software/freesurfer/5.1.0/i686/bin_original/mpr2mni305 talsrcimg
$Id: mpr2mni305,v 1.4 2009/06/03 16:01:38 nicks Exp $
MPR2MNI305_TARGET: Undefined variable.

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Re: [Freesurfer] Interpreting Results

2012-03-07 Thread Allie Rosen
Hi Bruce and Doug,

Given the fact that all my surfaces for my 16 patients and controls are
fine, I'm still left with some basic questions:

Since there is this interaction effect for age, how can I actually compare
the thickness of the two populations?

And should I be worried about the fact that some areas are thickening with
age, despite the fact that this isn't caused by defects in the surface
topology of the subjects?

Thank you for the help,
Allie



On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Bruce Fischl fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.eduwrote:

 Hi Allie

 the real question is whether the surfaces are accurate in that place for
 that subject. The only way to tell is to visually inspect them.

 cheers
 Bruce

 On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Allie Rosen wrote:

  Hi Bruce,
 I'm not sure if this qualifies as an outlier, but I do have one
 individual (and the age-matched control) who is much older than the rest
 (see
 attached). Do you think elimination of this subject could make the
 comparison possible?

 Thanks,
 Allie



 On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Bruce Fischl fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 wrote:
  do you have a big outlier in the thickness measures? I didn't see
 one. It seems unlikely that all your subject have a defect in that
  spot
  On Tue, 6 Mar 2012, Douglas N Greve wrote:

It means that any comparison depends on age. Eg, if you
 compare them at
an age where the lines cross, you will see no effect. If you
 compare
them at age=0 (what you were doing before), then you see a big
 effect.
Some statisticians will say that you cannot do the comparison
 in the
presence of an interaction.
dogu

Allie Rosen wrote:
  So if my findings show that each group ages differently,
 does that
  mean I can't compare them at all because I can't regress
 out age? Or
  is there some way of comparing the groups despite this
 difference in
  aging patterns?

  Thanks again,
  Allie

  On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Douglas N Greve
  gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu mailto:
 gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.**edu gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:

 It might, don't know

 Allie Rosen wrote:

 Hi Doug,

 Yes, I think there actually may be a topologic
 defect in this
 area, although not directly where the cluster is
 (attached).
 Could this be the cause of the thickness result?
 If I go back
 and try to repair the defect, will that make the
 results more
 typical and, more importantly, correct?

 Thanks again,
 Allie



 On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Douglas N Greve
 gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu mailto:
 gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.**edu gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 
 mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.**harvard.edugr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 
 mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.**harvard.edugr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 wrote:

Hi Allie, yes, it means that each group is
 affected
 differently by
age. The controls are increasing their
 thickness with age
 in this
area (which seems strange, usually you expect
 general decreases
with age). You might check the quality of the
 surfaces in
 this area.
doug

Allie Rosen wrote:

Hi Doug,

Thanks for the response. I've actually
 already run an
interaction contrast and the same area is
 still significant
(attached). I'm not sure how to interpret
 this either,
unfortunately. Does it say that both
 groups are affected
significantly differently by age? Can you
 tell me what it
means? I'm having problems trying to do
 this myself.

Thanks very much,
Allie

On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 3:47 PM, Douglas N
 Greve
gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 
 mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.**harvard.edugr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 
 
 mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.**harvard.edugr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 
 mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.**harvard.edugr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 

 mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.**edugr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 
 

Re: [Freesurfer] Interpreting Results

2012-03-07 Thread Bruce Fischl

Hi Allie

perhaps David Salat (ccd) can comment. He definitely saw some areas that 
thickened with age. They weren't common, but they were definitely in the 
data.


cheers
Bruce

 On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Allie Rosen wrote:


Hi Bruce and Doug,
Given the fact that all my surfaces for my 16 patients and controls are fine, 
I'm still left with some basic questions: 

Since there is this interaction effect for age, how can I actually compare the 
thickness of the two populations? 

And should I be worried about the fact that some areas are thickening with age, 
despite the fact that this isn't caused by defects in the surface
topology of the subjects?

Thank you for the help,
Allie



On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 10:02 AM, Bruce Fischl fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 
wrote:
  Hi Allie

  the real question is whether the surfaces are accurate in that place for 
that subject. The only way to tell is to visually inspect
  them.

  cheers
  Bruce
  On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Allie Rosen wrote:

Hi Bruce,
I'm not sure if this qualifies as an outlier, but I do have one 
individual (and the age-matched control) who is much older
than the rest (see
attached). Do you think elimination of this subject could make the 
comparison possible?

Thanks,
Allie



On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 5:10 PM, Bruce Fischl 
fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:
     do you have a big outlier in the thickness measures? I didn't 
see one. It seems unlikely that all your subject have a
defect in that
     spot
     On Tue, 6 Mar 2012, Douglas N Greve wrote:

           It means that any comparison depends on age. Eg, if you 
compare them at
           an age where the lines cross, you will see no effect. If 
you compare
           them at age=0 (what you were doing before), then you see 
a big effect.
           Some statisticians will say that you cannot do the 
comparison in the
           presence of an interaction.
           dogu

           Allie Rosen wrote:
                 So if my findings show that each group ages 
differently, does that
                 mean I can't compare them at all because I can't 
regress out age? Or
                 is there some way of comparing the groups despite 
this difference in
                 aging patterns?

                 Thanks again,
                 Allie

                 On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 4:44 PM, Douglas N Greve
                 gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 
mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:

                    It might, don't know

                    Allie Rosen wrote:

                        Hi Doug,

                        Yes, I think there actually may be a 
topologic defect in this
                        area, although not directly where the 
cluster is (attached).
                        Could this be the cause of the thickness 
result? If I go back
                        and try to repair the defect, will that 
make the results more
                        typical and, more importantly, correct?

                        Thanks again,
                        Allie



                        On Tue, Mar 6, 2012 at 3:57 PM, Douglas N 
Greve
                        gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 
mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
                        mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
                        mailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:

                           Hi Allie, yes, it means that each group 
is affected
                        differently by
                           age. The controls are increasing their 
thickness with age
                        in this
                           area (which seems strange, usually you 
expect general decreases
                           with age). You might check the quality 
of the surfaces in
                        this area.
                           doug

                           Allie Rosen wrote:

                               Hi Doug,

                               Thanks for the response. I've 
actually already run an
                               interaction contrast and the same 
area is still significant
                               (attached). I'm not sure how to 
interpret this either,
                               unfortunately. Does it say that both 
groups are affected
                               significantly differently by age? 
Can you 

[Freesurfer] FreeSurfer Course in Amsterdam!

2012-03-07 Thread Allison Player
Hi everyone,
The Department of Radiology at VU University Medical Center in Amsterdam, 
Netherlands is hosting a FreeSurfer Course on June 27th through June 29th.

Registration is now open. You can find details about course as well as the 
registration form on the following website:
http://www.freesurfercourseamsterdam.nl/

Questions about the Amsterdam course should go to Veronica Popescu
(i...@freesurfercourseamsterdam.nl).

Hope to see you there,
Allison

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Re: [Freesurfer] freesurfer 5.1 error: MPR2MNI305_TARGET: Undefined variable

2012-03-07 Thread Ian Charest
Hi again

More on this note:

Using the previous stable version 4.3.0 that I have installed here, I have 
absolutely no problem in running the same process.

ian

From: freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 
[mailto:freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Ian Charest
Sent: 07 March 2012 18:09
To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Subject: [Freesurfer] freesurfer 5.1 error: MPR2MNI305_TARGET: Undefined 
variable

Hi

When running recon-all I get the following error:

ERROR: mpr2mni305 failed, see transforms/talairach_avi.log

I called recon-all like so:

recon-all -i 
/imaging/ic01/mridata/subject01/structurals/subject01.MR.SEQUENCE.0014.0001.2011.12.16.57.613319.8231038.IMA
 -all -subjid subject01

I checked the talairach_avi.log file (see the full report below), and the 
mistake happens at the call to mpr2mni305

MPR2MNI305_TARGET: Undefined variable.

I searched the mailing list for similar errors and saw a similar post here:

https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/pipermail//freesurfer/2011-May/018445.htmlhttps://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/pipermail/freesurfer/2011-May/018445.html

but in this user's case there seemed to be a problem with the MPRAGE image 
itself (the brain seemed squashed)

I checked the dimensions of my orig.mgz and they are ok (1x1x1). I had a look 
at my orig.mgz in tkmedit and all seems fine.

Any Idea what could be going wrong?

Best Wishes

Ian Charest

==
talairach_avi.log:

/imaging/ic01/subjects/subject01/mri
/imaging/local/software/freesurfer/5.1.0/i686//bin/talairach_avi
--i orig.mgz --xfm transforms/talairach.auto.xfm
$Id: talairach_avi,v 1.9 2011/03/02 18:38:06 nicks Exp $
Linux l34 2.6.9-89.0.25.ELsmp #1 SMP Mon Apr 19 06:05:15 EDT 2010 i686 i686 
i386 GNU/Linux
Wed Mar  7 16:56:30 GMT 2012
/imaging/local/software/freesurfer/5.1.0/i686/bin_original/mri_convert orig.mgz 
talsrcimg.img
$Id: mri_convert.c,v 1.179.2.2 2011/05/16 20:53:47 greve Exp $
reading from orig.mgz...
TR=2300.00, TE=2.96, TI=900.00, flip angle=9.00
i_ras = (-1, 4.65661e-08, -4.09782e-08)
j_ras = (-2.23517e-08, -3.72529e-09, -1)
k_ras = (3.81842e-08, 1, -6.98492e-10)
writing to talsrcimg.img...
Analyze Output Matrix
-1.000  -0.000   0.000   132.161;
0.000  -0.000   1.000  -103.886;
-0.000  -1.000  -0.000   97.205;
0.000   0.000   0.000   1.000;

INFO: set hdr.hist.orient to -1
mpr2mni305 talsrcimg
Wed Mar  7 16:56:34 GMT 2012
/imaging/local/software/freesurfer/5.1.0/i686/bin_original/mpr2mni305 talsrcimg
$Id: mpr2mni305,v 1.4 2009/06/03 16:01:38 nicks Exp $
MPR2MNI305_TARGET: Undefined variable.

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Re: [Freesurfer] freesurfer 5.1 error: MPR2MNI305_TARGET: Undefined variable

2012-03-07 Thread Nick Schmansky
are there other mni tools installed?  are the variables from the
different freesurfer installs getting mixed?

n.

On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 19:01 +, Ian Charest wrote:
 Hi again 
 
  
 
 More on this note:
 
  
 
 Using the previous stable version 4.3.0 that I have installed here, I
 have absolutely no problem in running the same process.
 
  
 
 ian
 
  
 
 From: freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 [mailto:freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Ian
 Charest
 Sent: 07 March 2012 18:09
 To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Subject: [Freesurfer] freesurfer 5.1 error: MPR2MNI305_TARGET:
 Undefined variable
 
 
  
 
 Hi
 
  
 
 When running recon-all I get the following error:
 
  
 
 ERROR: mpr2mni305 failed, see transforms/talairach_avi.log
 
  
 
 I called recon-all like so:
 
  
 
 recon-all
 -i 
 /imaging/ic01/mridata/subject01/structurals/subject01.MR.SEQUENCE.0014.0001.2011.12.16.57.613319.8231038.IMA
  -all -subjid subject01
 
  
 
 I checked the talairach_avi.log file (see the full report below), and
 the mistake happens at the call to mpr2mni305
 
  
 
 MPR2MNI305_TARGET: Undefined variable.
 
  
 
 I searched the mailing list for similar errors and saw a similar post
 here:
 
  
 
 https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/pipermail//freesurfer/2011-May/018445.html
 
  
 
 but in this user’s case there seemed to be a problem with the MPRAGE
 image itself (the brain seemed “squashed”)
 
  
 
 I checked the dimensions of my orig.mgz and they are ok (1x1x1). I had
 a look at my orig.mgz in tkmedit and all seems fine.
 
  
 
 Any Idea what could be going wrong?
 
  
 
 Best Wishes
 
  
 
 Ian Charest
 
  
 
 ==
 
 talairach_avi.log:
 
  
 
 /imaging/ic01/subjects/subject01/mri
 
 /imaging/local/software/freesurfer/5.1.0/i686//bin/talairach_avi
 
 --i orig.mgz --xfm transforms/talairach.auto.xfm
 
 $Id: talairach_avi,v 1.9 2011/03/02 18:38:06 nicks Exp $
 
 Linux l34 2.6.9-89.0.25.ELsmp #1 SMP Mon Apr 19 06:05:15 EDT 2010 i686
 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
 
 Wed Mar  7 16:56:30 GMT 2012
 
 /imaging/local/software/freesurfer/5.1.0/i686/bin_original/mri_convert
 orig.mgz talsrcimg.img 
 
 $Id: mri_convert.c,v 1.179.2.2 2011/05/16 20:53:47 greve Exp $
 
 reading from orig.mgz...
 
 TR=2300.00, TE=2.96, TI=900.00, flip angle=9.00
 
 i_ras = (-1, 4.65661e-08, -4.09782e-08)
 
 j_ras = (-2.23517e-08, -3.72529e-09, -1)
 
 k_ras = (3.81842e-08, 1, -6.98492e-10)
 
 writing to talsrcimg.img...
 
 Analyze Output Matrix
 
 -1.000  -0.000   0.000   132.161;
 
 0.000  -0.000   1.000  -103.886;
 
 -0.000  -1.000  -0.000   97.205;
 
 0.000   0.000   0.000   1.000;
 
 
 
 INFO: set hdr.hist.orient to -1
 
 mpr2mni305 talsrcimg
 
 Wed Mar  7 16:56:34 GMT 2012
 
 /imaging/local/software/freesurfer/5.1.0/i686/bin_original/mpr2mni305
 talsrcimg
 
 $Id: mpr2mni305,v 1.4 2009/06/03 16:01:38 nicks Exp $
 
 MPR2MNI305_TARGET: Undefined variable.
 
  
 
 
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[Freesurfer] Fwd: Qdec Error in analyze: command failed

2012-03-07 Thread Laura Tully
Hi All,

Just wanted to follow up on my message below. Thank you!

Laura.

-- Forwarded message --
From: Laura Tully tully.la...@googlemail.com
Date: Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 2:03 PM
Subject: Qdec Error in analyze: command failed
To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu


Hi,

I'm getting an error in analyze: command failed: mri_concat notification
when trying to run qdec on a within subjects analysis (N=29, looking at
thickness and social functioning whilst controlling for ICV). I'm not sure
what this means. See the output below.


Thanks!

Laura.

 Data table loading completed successfully.
SUBJECTS_DIR is '/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis'
lh-Avg-Intercept-thickness ---
Does the average thickness differ from zero?
Nuisance factors: ICV_Mean_Centered
 1.000   0.000   0.000;

lh-Avg-thickness-Social_Fx-Cor ---
Does the correlation between thickness and Social_Fx differ from zero?
Nuisance factors: ICV_Mean_Centered
 0.000   1.000   0.000;

sh: ICV/y.mgh: No such file or directory
ninputs = 29
Checking inputs
nframestot = 29
Allocing output
Done allocing
nframes = 29
Writing to /ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/qdec/lh_thick_10_HC_SocFx
unknown file type for file
(/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/qdec/lh_thick_10_HC_SocFx)
Error in Analyze: command failed: mri_concat
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27119/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27120/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27121/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27122/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27125/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27127/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27131/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27140/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27145/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27160/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27164/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27191/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27193/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27194/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27195/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27196/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27199/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27201/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27203/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27204/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27205/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27206/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27208/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27210/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27211/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27212/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27213/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27216/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/27218/surf/lh.thickness.fwhm10.fsaverage.mgh
--o
/ncf/snp/04/SCORE/freesurfer_analysis/qdec/lh_thick_10_HC_SocFxICV/y.mgh


-- 
Laura Tully
Social Neuroscience  Psychopathology
Harvard University
840 William James Hall
33 Kirkland St
Cambridge, MA 02138
ltu...@fas.harvard.edu





-- 
Laura Tully
Social Neuroscience  Psychopathology
Harvard University
840 William James Hall
33 Kirkland St
Cambridge, MA 02138
ltu...@fas.harvard.edu
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Re: [Freesurfer] freesurfer 5.1 error: MPR2MNI305_TARGET: Undefined variable

2012-03-07 Thread dgw
Hi Ian,

This is a bug in the CBU's freesurfer wrappers written at the CBU site 
and not a FreeSurfer bug. Ask them to look into fixing it. Basically, 
the wrapper doesn't transfer all the variables necessary for FreeSurfer 
to run properly. The only work around for you at the moment would be to 
run it locally i.e. not use the CBU's wrappers.

D

Nick Schmansky wrote:
 are there other mni tools installed?  are the variables from the
 different freesurfer installs getting mixed?
 
 n.
 
 On Wed, 2012-03-07 at 19:01 +, Ian Charest wrote:
 Hi again 

  

 More on this note:

  

 Using the previous stable version 4.3.0 that I have installed here, I
 have absolutely no problem in running the same process.

  

 ian

  

 From: freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 [mailto:freesurfer-boun...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu] On Behalf Of Ian
 Charest
 Sent: 07 March 2012 18:09
 To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
 Subject: [Freesurfer] freesurfer 5.1 error: MPR2MNI305_TARGET:
 Undefined variable


  

 Hi

  

 When running recon-all I get the following error:

  

 ERROR: mpr2mni305 failed, see transforms/talairach_avi.log

  

 I called recon-all like so:

  

 recon-all
 -i 
 /imaging/ic01/mridata/subject01/structurals/subject01.MR.SEQUENCE.0014.0001.2011.12.16.57.613319.8231038.IMA
  -all -subjid subject01

  

 I checked the talairach_avi.log file (see the full report below), and
 the mistake happens at the call to mpr2mni305

  

 MPR2MNI305_TARGET: Undefined variable.

  

 I searched the mailing list for similar errors and saw a similar post
 here:

  

 https://mail.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/pipermail//freesurfer/2011-May/018445.html

  

 but in this user’s case there seemed to be a problem with the MPRAGE
 image itself (the brain seemed “squashed”)

  

 I checked the dimensions of my orig.mgz and they are ok (1x1x1). I had
 a look at my orig.mgz in tkmedit and all seems fine.

  

 Any Idea what could be going wrong?

  

 Best Wishes

  

 Ian Charest

  

 ==

 talairach_avi.log:

  

 /imaging/ic01/subjects/subject01/mri

 /imaging/local/software/freesurfer/5.1.0/i686//bin/talairach_avi

 --i orig.mgz --xfm transforms/talairach.auto.xfm

 $Id: talairach_avi,v 1.9 2011/03/02 18:38:06 nicks Exp $

 Linux l34 2.6.9-89.0.25.ELsmp #1 SMP Mon Apr 19 06:05:15 EDT 2010 i686
 i686 i386 GNU/Linux

 Wed Mar  7 16:56:30 GMT 2012

 /imaging/local/software/freesurfer/5.1.0/i686/bin_original/mri_convert
 orig.mgz talsrcimg.img 

 $Id: mri_convert.c,v 1.179.2.2 2011/05/16 20:53:47 greve Exp $

 reading from orig.mgz...

 TR=2300.00, TE=2.96, TI=900.00, flip angle=9.00

 i_ras = (-1, 4.65661e-08, -4.09782e-08)

 j_ras = (-2.23517e-08, -3.72529e-09, -1)

 k_ras = (3.81842e-08, 1, -6.98492e-10)

 writing to talsrcimg.img...

 Analyze Output Matrix

 -1.000  -0.000   0.000   132.161;

 0.000  -0.000   1.000  -103.886;

 -0.000  -1.000  -0.000   97.205;

 0.000   0.000   0.000   1.000;

 

 INFO: set hdr.hist.orient to -1

 mpr2mni305 talsrcimg

 Wed Mar  7 16:56:34 GMT 2012

 /imaging/local/software/freesurfer/5.1.0/i686/bin_original/mpr2mni305
 talsrcimg

 $Id: mpr2mni305,v 1.4 2009/06/03 16:01:38 nicks Exp $

 MPR2MNI305_TARGET: Undefined variable.

  


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[Freesurfer] Cluster-Size in Qdec

2012-03-07 Thread Dusan Hirjak

Dear Freesurfer experts,

I am a beginner in using Freesurfer. I did an explorative study where I 
correlated cotical thickness with different neuropsychological parameters: I 
found positive correlations between cortical thickness and higher scores on 
different neuropsychological scales in different brain regions. However, some 
of these brain regions (clusters) with cortical thinning are only covering a 
very small surface area (blue color). I was now wondering if there is a 
possibility in Qdec to manually define the minimal and maximal cluster size, 
which I want to show? 



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[Freesurfer] recon2 error

2012-03-07 Thread Jimmy Ghaziri
Dear FreeSurfer community,

I am running Ubuntu 11.10 on an Intel i7 970 3.20Ghz 64bit (11 CPUs) with
12GB DDR3 RAM on a 120GB raid 0 solid state hard drives.
I have ran recon-all this summer on some of my subjects and it worked
perfectly in 13 hours.

I'm trying to run one more analyse (a recon-all) and I keep getting this
error message when it gets to recon2 :

 pass 1 of 1 
setting smoothness coefficient to 0.039
blurring input image with Gaussian with sigma=2.000...
: dt=0.000, rms=0.789, neg=0, invalid=766
gcamFindOptimalTimeStep: Complete in 26136.459 ms
0001: dt=129.472000, rms=0.731 (7.421%), neg=0, invalid=766
gcamFindOptimalTimeStep: Complete in 24108.512 ms

and it continues this way on and on.


I tried to run recon-all again on an old subject (on which it worked this
summer) by renaming the files and folders of course and I got the same
error message. I uninstalled and reinstalled FreeSurfer and still am
getting the message.
I ran one of the subject on my colleagues machine (which is slower than
mine; took him 22 hours) and it worked perfectly.

Can anyone tell me what could be the problem ? I will need to run more
analyses in a few months and I need to fix it ASAP.

Here's the command I'm using (which is the same as my colleague and as
indicated on FS wiki) :

recon-all -subjid a_al_t1 -i
~/Documents/T1W_3D_TFE/GHA_A-C_2234495-T1W_3D_TFE-20101207-301-1.dicom -all


Thank you,

Jimmy
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Re: [Freesurfer] recon2 error

2012-03-07 Thread Bruce Fischl
Hi Jimmy

that isn't an error message - just an informational one. How long did you 
wait? Are you sure it is not going to terminate if you let it run long 
enough?

cheers
Bruce
On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Jimmy Ghaziri wrote:

 Dear FreeSurfer community,
 
 I am running Ubuntu 11.10 on an Intel i7 970 3.20Ghz 64bit (11 CPUs) with 
 12GB DDR3 RAM on a 120GB raid 0 solid state hard drives.
 I have ran recon-all this summer on some of my subjects and it worked 
 perfectly in 13 hours.
 
 I'm trying to run one more analyse (a recon-all) and I keep getting this 
 error message when it gets to recon2 :
 
  pass 1 of 1 
 setting smoothness coefficient to 0.039
 blurring input image with Gaussian with sigma=2.000...
 : dt=0.000, rms=0.789, neg=0, invalid=766
 gcamFindOptimalTimeStep: Complete in 26136.459 ms
 0001: dt=129.472000, rms=0.731 (7.421%), neg=0, invalid=766
 gcamFindOptimalTimeStep: Complete in 24108.512 ms
 
 and it continues this way on and on.
 
 
 I tried to run recon-all again on an old subject (on which it worked this 
 summer) by renaming the files and folders of course and I got the same
 error message. I uninstalled and reinstalled FreeSurfer and still am getting 
 the message.
 I ran one of the subject on my colleagues machine (which is slower than mine; 
 took him 22 hours) and it worked perfectly.
 
 Can anyone tell me what could be the problem ? I will need to run more 
 analyses in a few months and I need to fix it ASAP.
 
 Here's the command I'm using (which is the same as my colleague and as 
 indicated on FS wiki) :
 
 recon-all -subjid a_al_t1 -i 
 ~/Documents/T1W_3D_TFE/GHA_A-C_2234495-T1W_3D_TFE-20101207-301-1.dicom -all
 
 
 Thank you,
 
 Jimmy
 

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Re: [Freesurfer] recon2 error

2012-03-07 Thread Jimmy Ghaziri
I waited a whole night ... I don't recall getting this message last summer.
I will run it again and check it back again on Friday just to be sure.

Thank you,

Jimmy

On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 15:44, Bruce Fischl fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.eduwrote:

 Hi Jimmy

 that isn't an error message - just an informational one. How long did you
 wait? Are you sure it is not going to terminate if you let it run long
 enough?

 cheers
 Bruce

 On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Jimmy Ghaziri wrote:

  Dear FreeSurfer community,

 I am running Ubuntu 11.10 on an Intel i7 970 3.20Ghz 64bit (11 CPUs) with
 12GB DDR3 RAM on a 120GB raid 0 solid state hard drives.
 I have ran recon-all this summer on some of my subjects and it worked
 perfectly in 13 hours.

 I'm trying to run one more analyse (a recon-all) and I keep getting this
 error message when it gets to recon2 :

  pass 1 of 1 
 setting smoothness coefficient to 0.039
 blurring input image with Gaussian with sigma=2.000...
 : dt=0.000, rms=0.789, neg=0, invalid=766
 gcamFindOptimalTimeStep: Complete in 26136.459 ms
 0001: dt=129.472000, rms=0.731 (7.421%), neg=0, invalid=766
 gcamFindOptimalTimeStep: Complete in 24108.512 ms

 and it continues this way on and on.


 I tried to run recon-all again on an old subject (on which it worked this
 summer) by renaming the files and folders of course and I got the same
 error message. I uninstalled and reinstalled FreeSurfer and still am
 getting the message.
 I ran one of the subject on my colleagues machine (which is slower than
 mine; took him 22 hours) and it worked perfectly.

 Can anyone tell me what could be the problem ? I will need to run more
 analyses in a few months and I need to fix it ASAP.

 Here's the command I'm using (which is the same as my colleague and as
 indicated on FS wiki) :

 recon-all -subjid a_al_t1 -i ~/Documents/T1W_3D_TFE/GHA_A-**
 C_2234495-T1W_3D_TFE-20101207-**301-1.dicom -all


 Thank you,

 Jimmy




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Re: [Freesurfer] recon2 error

2012-03-07 Thread Bruce Fischl
a whole night may not be enough depending on the speed of your machine, 
and how far from our atlas anatomy your subject is. Those messages are 
normal and part of the most computationally intensive step in recon-all, so 
see if it take a day or so to finish


On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, 
Jimmy Ghaziri wrote:

 I waited a whole night ... I don't recall getting this message last summer.I 
 will run it again and check it back again on Friday just to be sure.
 
 Thank you,
 
 Jimmy
 
 On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 15:44, Bruce Fischl fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu wrote:
   Hi Jimmy

   that isn't an error message - just an informational one. How long did 
 you wait? Are you sure it is not going to terminate if you let
   it run long enough?

   cheers
   Bruce
   On Wed, 7 Mar 2012, Jimmy Ghaziri wrote:

 Dear FreeSurfer community,

 I am running Ubuntu 11.10 on an Intel i7 970 3.20Ghz 64bit (11 
 CPUs) with 12GB DDR3 RAM on a 120GB raid 0 solid state hard
 drives.
 I have ran recon-all this summer on some of my subjects and it 
 worked perfectly in 13 hours.

 I'm trying to run one more analyse (a recon-all) and I keep 
 getting this error message when it gets to recon2 :

  pass 1 of 1 
 setting smoothness coefficient to 0.039
 blurring input image with Gaussian with sigma=2.000...
 : dt=0.000, rms=0.789, neg=0, invalid=766
 gcamFindOptimalTimeStep: Complete in 26136.459 ms
 0001: dt=129.472000, rms=0.731 (7.421%), neg=0, invalid=766
 gcamFindOptimalTimeStep: Complete in 24108.512 ms

 and it continues this way on and on.
 

 I tried to run recon-all again on an old subject (on which it 
 worked this summer) by renaming the files and folders of
 course and I got the same
 error message. I uninstalled and reinstalled FreeSurfer and still 
 am getting the message.
 I ran one of the subject on my colleagues machine (which is 
 slower than mine; took him 22 hours) and it worked perfectly.

 Can anyone tell me what could be the problem ? I will need to run 
 more analyses in a few months and I need to fix it ASAP.

 Here's the command I'm using (which is the same as my colleague 
 and as indicated on FS wiki) :

 recon-all -subjid a_al_t1 -i 
 ~/Documents/T1W_3D_TFE/GHA_A-C_2234495-T1W_3D_TFE-20101207-301-1.dicom -all
 

 Thank you,

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Re: [Freesurfer] Cluster-Size in Qdec

2012-03-07 Thread Douglas N Greve
I don't think tthere is a way in qdec to define either. You can run 
mri_surfcluster externally to remove clusters under a certain size. With 
a few tricks you can remove the ones over a certain size too.
doug

Dusan Hirjak wrote:
 Dear Freesurfer experts,

 I am a beginner in using Freesurfer. I did an explorative study 
 where I correlated cotical thickness with different neuropsychological 
 parameters: I found positive correlations between cortical thickness 
 and higher scores on different neuropsychological scales in different 
 brain regions. However, some of these brain regions (clusters) with 
 cortical thinning are only covering a very small surface area (blue 
 color). I was now wondering if there is a possibility in Qdec to 
 manually define the minimal and maximal cluster size, which I want to 
 show? 
 Thanks in advance!
 Dusan
 

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Re: [Freesurfer] White Matter question

2012-03-07 Thread Douglas N Greve
yes, the cerebral white matter is surface-based, so it can take into 
account sub-voxel resolution of the surfaces. The WMParc is just 
counting voxels.

Dhinakaran Chinappen wrote:
 Dear all,

 I was wondering if you have encountered this issue before:

 Would you anticipate a difference between the volume calculated by 
 Freesurfer 5.0 in Cerebral-White-Matter volume and the total volume 
 calculated from the regions (defined by the Desikan atlas) in 
 wmparc.stats?

 In one of my studies, the Cerebral-White-Matter volume is bigger than 
 the volume obtained by summing up the regions in wmparc.stats on 
 average and for individual patients as well.

 Is there an anatomical reason behind this? Which measure should be 
 preferentially used?

 Help would be much appreciated.

 Thanks,
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[Freesurfer] Smart concatenation in selxavg3-sess?

2012-03-07 Thread Alex Kell
Hi Freesurfers,

The selxavg3-sess's help and Freesurfer documentation say
that selxavg3-sess creates a design matrix for each run, fits the glm for
each run, and then combines the runs together to give summary data for the
subject's whole session.  Some of the fsfast 5 slides say it uses smart
concatenation to combine each run's data -- what is smart concatenation?
 How does are the runs brought into alignment?

Thanks!


Alex

Kanwisher Lab Manager
McGovern Institute for Brain Research
MIT
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Re: [Freesurfer] aparc.a2005s+aseg.mgz

2012-03-07 Thread Douglas Greve
Hi Mark, was aparc.a2009s+aseg.mgz created? That is the new one.
doug

On 3/7/12 8:43 AM, Kern, Mark wrote:
 Dear Freesurfer Mavens,

 After running recon-all -all on a set of anatomical data, I wished to used 
 the aparc.a2005s+aseg.mgz in a connectivity analysis pipeline to create some 
 ROI masks.  I was particularly interested in the subcortical regions 
 contained in the a2005s scheme.  However, the aparc.a2005s+aseg.mgz file was 
 not created during the recon-all processing run.  Is there a way to get the 
 a2005s segmentation data?

 Thanks for your help.

 Best,

 Mark

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 Division of Gastroenterology and Hepatology
 Departmernt of Medicine
 Medical College of Wisconsin
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Re: [Freesurfer] Smart concatenation in selxavg3-sess?

2012-03-07 Thread Douglas Greve
The runs are brought into alignment during preprocessing. The default is 
to motion correct each run to the middle time point of the run, then 
sample the entire run to the common spaces (left hemi fsaverage, right 
hemi, or the MNI305 for subcortical volume). Once this is done, all the 
runs are in alignment. The data are simply concatenated together. The 
smart part comes when constructing the design matrix. To account for 
different drifts and offsets in each run, separate nuisance terms are 
provided for each run in the design matrix. There is really nothing 
fancy here. A number of years ago, people would just concatenate all 
their runs and then analyze it as if it came from one run. This is not a 
good idea, and the word concatenation got a bad reputation. I used the 
term smart concatenation to distinguish between the two methods and to 
prevent any knee-jerk reaction from simply saying that we're 
concatenating the runs together.


doug


On 3/7/12 7:56 PM, Alex Kell wrote:

Hi Freesurfers,

The selxavg3-sess's help and Freesurfer documentation say 
that selxavg3-sess creates a design matrix for each run, fits the glm 
for each run, and then combines the runs together to give summary data 
for the subject's whole session.  Some of the fsfast 5 slides say it 
uses smart concatenation to combine each run's data -- what is 
smart concatenation?  How does are the runs brought into alignment?


Thanks!


Alex

Kanwisher Lab Manager
McGovern Institute for Brain Research
MIT




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