[Freesurfer] Fsaverage for ROI analysis of children

2014-11-03 Thread Smith, Michael
Hello all,

I have been conducting an ROI analysis and following the cortical thickness ROI 
tutorial found here: 
https://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/VolumeRoiCorticalThickness.  After 
going through this tutorial with a few of my subjects I’ve noticed the ROI when 
registered to the fsaverage template is not in the correct position.  I’m 
guessing this is due to the nature of my subjects (children ranging from 
8months-11 years old).  Is there a better template I should use for this 
analysis? Also, when I run mri_segstats to get the cortical thickness for my 
ROI, will these numbers be inaccurate too? Thanks in advance!

It is worth noting I am running Darwin-lion-stable-pub-v5.3.0

Best,

Michael S.
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Re: [Freesurfer] Fsaverage for ROI analysis of children

2014-11-03 Thread Douglas Greve
Can you back up and tell us what it is you are trying to do? Where did 
the ROI come from and how did you create it?

doug

On 11/3/14 8:56 AM, Smith, Michael wrote:

Hello all,

I have been conducting an ROI analysis and following the cortical 
thickness ROI tutorial found here: 
https://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/VolumeRoiCorticalThickness. 
 After going through this tutorial with a few of my subjects I've 
noticed the ROI when registered to the fsaverage template is not in 
the correct position.  I'm guessing this is due to the nature of my 
subjects (children ranging from 8months-11 years old).  Is there a 
better template I should use for this analysis? Also, when I run 
mri_segstats to get the cortical thickness for my ROI, will these 
numbers be inaccurate too? Thanks in advance!


It is worth noting I am running Darwin-lion-stable-pub-v5.3.0

Best,

Michael S.


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Re: [Freesurfer] Fsaverage for ROI analysis of children

2014-11-03 Thread Smith, Michael
Hi Doug,

We are trying to look at the cortical thickness of a few different ROIs 
(primary auditory cortex) and see how these areas relate to the EEG ERPs  we 
collected on these subjects as a function of age and development.   I created 
the ROIs using the mri_annotation2label command per hemisphere then 
mri_label2vol to create a binary volume file for each ROI in each hemisphere.  
Does that sound correct or would you recommend doing it a different way?

Best,

Michael S.

From: Douglas Greve 
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freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edumailto:freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Fsaverage for ROI analysis of children

Can you back up and tell us what it is you are trying to do? Where did the ROI 
come from and how did you create it?
doug

On 11/3/14 8:56 AM, Smith, Michael wrote:
Hello all,

I have been conducting an ROI analysis and following the cortical thickness ROI 
tutorial found here: 
https://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/VolumeRoiCorticalThickness.  After 
going through this tutorial with a few of my subjects I’ve noticed the ROI when 
registered to the fsaverage template is not in the correct position.  I’m 
guessing this is due to the nature of my subjects (children ranging from 
8months-11 years old).  Is there a better template I should use for this 
analysis? Also, when I run mri_segstats to get the cortical thickness for my 
ROI, will these numbers be inaccurate too? Thanks in advance!

It is worth noting I am running Darwin-lion-stable-pub-v5.3.0

Best,

Michael S.



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Re: [Freesurfer] Fsaverage for ROI analysis of children

2014-11-03 Thread Douglas Greve


Did you make the from the ?h.aparc.annot of fsaverage? If so, why not 
make the label from the ?h.aparc.annot from the individual subject and 
then calculate the thickness from that?

doug


On 11/3/14 9:44 AM, Smith, Michael wrote:

Hi Doug,

We are trying to look at the cortical thickness of a few different 
ROIs (primary auditory cortex) and see how these areas relate to the 
EEG ERPs  we collected on these subjects as a function of age and 
development.   I created the ROIs using the mri_annotation2label 
command per hemisphere then mri_label2vol to create a binary volume 
file for each ROI in each hemisphere.  Does that sound correct or 
would you recommend doing it a different way?


Best,

Michael S.

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Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Fsaverage for ROI analysis of children

Can you back up and tell us what it is you are trying to do? Where did 
the ROI come from and how did you create it?

doug

On 11/3/14 8:56 AM, Smith, Michael wrote:

Hello all,

I have been conducting an ROI analysis and following the cortical 
thickness ROI tutorial found here: 
https://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/VolumeRoiCorticalThickness. 
 After going through this tutorial with a few of my subjects I've 
noticed the ROI when registered to the fsaverage template is not in 
the correct position.  I'm guessing this is due to the nature of my 
subjects (children ranging from 8months-11 years old).  Is there a 
better template I should use for this analysis? Also, when I run 
mri_segstats to get the cortical thickness for my ROI, will these 
numbers be inaccurate too? Thanks in advance!


It is worth noting I am running Darwin-lion-stable-pub-v5.3.0

Best,

Michael S.


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Re: [Freesurfer] Fsaverage for ROI analysis of children

2014-11-03 Thread Smith, Michael
I made the ROI on an individual subject basis, not from fsaverage.  Not sure if 
the labels I made came from the .aparc.annot files, what is the default of 
mri_annotation2label? I used the -outdir flag.

From: Douglas Greve 
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Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Fsaverage for ROI analysis of children


Did you make the from the ?h.aparc.annot of fsaverage? If so, why not make the 
label from the ?h.aparc.annot from the individual subject and then calculate 
the thickness from that?
doug


On 11/3/14 9:44 AM, Smith, Michael wrote:
Hi Doug,

We are trying to look at the cortical thickness of a few different ROIs 
(primary auditory cortex) and see how these areas relate to the EEG ERPs  we 
collected on these subjects as a function of age and development.   I created 
the ROIs using the mri_annotation2label command per hemisphere then 
mri_label2vol to create a binary volume file for each ROI in each hemisphere.  
Does that sound correct or would you recommend doing it a different way?

Best,

Michael S.

From: Douglas Greve 
gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edumailto:gr...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
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Date: Monday, November 3, 2014 at 9:31 AM
To: freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edumailto:freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu 
freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edumailto:freesurfer@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: [Freesurfer] Fsaverage for ROI analysis of children

Can you back up and tell us what it is you are trying to do? Where did the ROI 
come from and how did you create it?
doug

On 11/3/14 8:56 AM, Smith, Michael wrote:
Hello all,

I have been conducting an ROI analysis and following the cortical thickness ROI 
tutorial found here: 
https://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/VolumeRoiCorticalThickness.  After 
going through this tutorial with a few of my subjects I’ve noticed the ROI when 
registered to the fsaverage template is not in the correct position.  I’m 
guessing this is due to the nature of my subjects (children ranging from 
8months-11 years old).  Is there a better template I should use for this 
analysis? Also, when I run mri_segstats to get the cortical thickness for my 
ROI, will these numbers be inaccurate too? Thanks in advance!

It is worth noting I am running Darwin-lion-stable-pub-v5.3.0

Best,

Michael S.



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[Freesurfer] I got ERROR during recon-all

2014-11-03 Thread CHONNIKAN JONGKREANGKRAI
I'm new on FREESURFER and have tried to run recon-all refer to 
https://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/QuickInstall#Practicedata.26commands


However, I got an ERROR .. could you tell me how to run it.


Last login: Mon Nov  3 23:53:19 on ttys000

 freesurfer-Darwin-lion-stable-pub-v5.3.0 

Setting up environment for FreeSurfer/FS-FAST (and FSL)

FREESURFER_HOME   /Applications/freesurfer

FSFAST_HOME   /Applications/freesurfer/fsfast

FSF_OUTPUT_FORMAT nii.gz

SUBJECTS_DIR  /Applications/freesurfer/subjects

MNI_DIR   /Applications/freesurfer/mni


Ngoaks-MacBook-Pro:~ ngoak$ cd /Applications/freesurfer/subjects/1

Ngoaks-MacBook-Pro:1 ngoak$ ls

1.hdr   1.img   1.txt   A001.nii

Ngoaks-MacBook-Pro:1 ngoak$ recon-all -all -i A001.nii -s subject001


mkdir: /Applications/freesurfer/subjects/subject001: Permission denied

mkdir: /Applications/freesurfer/subjects/subject001/scripts: Permission denied

mkdir: /Applications/freesurfer/subjects/subject001/scripts: Permission denied

cp: /Applications/freesurfer/subjects/subject001/scripts/build-stamp.txt: No 
such file or directory

cat: /Applications/freesurfer/subjects/subject001/scripts/build-stamp.txt: No 
such file or directory

INFO: FreeSurfer build stamps do not match

Subject Stamp:

Current Stamp: freesurfer-Darwin-lion-stable-pub-v5.3.0

INFO: SUBJECTS_DIR is /Applications/freesurfer/subjects

Actual FREESURFER_HOME /Applications/freesurfer

/Applications/freesurfer/subjects/subject001: No such file or directory.


Ngoaks-MacBook-Pro:1 ngoak$





Best Regards


Chonnikan Jongkreangkrai ?

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Re: [Freesurfer] Question

2014-11-03 Thread Tanev, Kaloyan,M.D.
Hi,

I just took the FreeSurfer course. I am using the command reconall -s subj_ID 
-i t1w -all. Frequently, because I log on remotely to the server and because 
of the time that it takes, the terminal disconnects and therefore the process 
is not complete entirely. Can you point me to a way to redo just the steps that 
have not been done yet.

I give an example of the latest files generated, with just a few files missing. 
How do I direct it to pick up from where it left?

Thank you.

Here is the list of files generated:

drwxrwsr-x 2 ktanev schiz   80 Oct 31 14:06 orig/
drwxrwsr-x 3 ktanev schiz 1.0K Oct 31 21:39 transforms/
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 258K Oct 31 21:39 aseg.auto.mgz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 1.6K Oct 31 21:31 
aseg.auto_noCCseg.label_intensities.txt
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 257K Oct 31 21:38 aseg.auto_noCCseg.mgz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 258K Oct 31 21:39 aseg.mgz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 1.4M Oct 31 21:45 brain.finalsurfs.mgz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 1.4M Oct 31 14:53 brainmask.auto.mgz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 1.4M Oct 31 14:53 brainmask.mgz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 1.4M Oct 31 21:45 brain.mgz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 395K Oct 31 15:33 ctrl_pts.mgz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 145K Oct 31 21:49 filled.mgz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz  12K Oct 31 14:12 mri_nu_correct.mni.log
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 5.7K Oct 31 14:08 mri_nu_correct.mni.log.bak
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 1.5M Oct 31 15:33 norm.mgz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 5.6M Oct 31 14:12 nu.mgz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 3.6M Oct 31 20:32 nu_noneck.mgz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 7.8M Oct 31 14:07 orig.mgz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 5.7K Oct 31 14:08 orig_nu.log
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 7.8M Oct 31 14:08 orig_nu.mgz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz  19M Oct 31 14:07 rawavg.mgz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz  119 Oct 31 21:45 segment.dat
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 5.5M Oct 31 14:16 T1.mgz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 1.6K Oct 31 16:35 talairach.label_intensities.txt
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz  214 Oct 31 15:30 talairach.log
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz  214 Oct 31 21:08 talairach_with_skull_2.log
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz  214 Oct 31 14:52 talairach_with_skull.log
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 463K Oct 31 21:48 wm.asegedit.mgz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 464K Oct 31 21:48 wm.mgz
-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 507K Oct 31 21:47 wm.seg.mgz
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Re: [Freesurfer] Question

2014-11-03 Thread Douglas Greve


You can run it with
recon-all -s subject -make all

In the future, you can run recon-all with nohup, ie,

nohup recon-all -s subject ... 

ie, put nohup as the first item and  as the last item. This will 
cause it to run in the background and it should continue to run even if 
you log out


doug

On 11/3/14 12:50 PM, Tanev, Kaloyan,M.D. wrote:


Hi,

I just took the FreeSurfer course. I am using the command reconall --s 
subj_ID -i t1w -all. Frequently, because I log on remotely to the 
server and because of the time that it takes, the terminal disconnects 
and therefore the process is not complete entirely. Can you point me 
to a way to redo just the steps that have not been done yet.


I give an example of the latest files generated, with just a few files 
missing. How do I direct it to pick up from where it left?


Thank you.

Here is the list of files generated:

drwxrwsr-x 2 ktanev schiz   80 Oct 31 14:06 orig/

drwxrwsr-x 3 ktanev schiz 1.0K Oct 31 21:39 transforms/

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 258K Oct 31 21:39 aseg.auto.mgz

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 1.6K Oct 31 21:31 
aseg.auto_noCCseg.label_intensities.txt


-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 257K Oct 31 21:38 aseg.auto_noCCseg.mgz

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 258K Oct 31 21:39 aseg.mgz

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 1.4M Oct 31 21:45 brain.finalsurfs.mgz

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 1.4M Oct 31 14:53 brainmask.auto.mgz

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 1.4M Oct 31 14:53 brainmask.mgz

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 1.4M Oct 31 21:45 brain.mgz

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 395K Oct 31 15:33 ctrl_pts.mgz

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 145K Oct 31 21:49 filled.mgz

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz  12K Oct 31 14:12 mri_nu_correct.mni.log

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 5.7K Oct 31 14:08 mri_nu_correct.mni.log.bak

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 1.5M Oct 31 15:33 norm.mgz

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 5.6M Oct 31 14:12 nu.mgz

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 3.6M Oct 31 20:32 nu_noneck.mgz

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 7.8M Oct 31 14:07 orig.mgz

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 5.7K Oct 31 14:08 orig_nu.log

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 7.8M Oct 31 14:08 orig_nu.mgz

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz  19M Oct 31 14:07 rawavg.mgz

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz  119 Oct 31 21:45 segment.dat

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 5.5M Oct 31 14:16 T1.mgz

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 1.6K Oct 31 16:35 
talairach.label_intensities.txt


-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz  214 Oct 31 15:30 talairach.log

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz  214 Oct 31 21:08 talairach_with_skull_2.log

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz  214 Oct 31 14:52 talairach_with_skull.log

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 463K Oct 31 21:48 wm.asegedit.mgz

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 464K Oct 31 21:48 wm.mgz

-rw-rw-r-- 1 ktanev schiz 507K Oct 31 21:47 wm.seg.mgz



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[Freesurfer] registering coronal images

2014-11-03 Thread Mahmoud
Dear all,

I have some T1 images which are originally in coronal view and the in-plane
resolution is 0.5x0.5mm and slice thickness is 2mm. The matrix size is
512x512.
I need to segment the left and right hemisphers. As the head is tilted I
also need to register the images. Which atlas you recommend to use for this
case ? Does MIN152_T1_0.5mm work better or MIN152_T1_2mm ?

Thank you,
Mahmoud
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Re: [Freesurfer] registering coronal images

2014-11-03 Thread Bruce Fischl
is this the only T1-weighted image you have, or do you also have something 
more isotropic?


On Mon, 3 Nov 2014, Mahmoud wrote:


Dear all,

I have some T1 images which are originally in coronal view and the in-plane
resolution is 0.5x0.5mm and slice thickness is 2mm. The matrix size is
512x512.
I need to segment the left and right hemisphers. As the head is tilted I
also need to register the images. Which atlas you recommend to use for this
case ? Does MIN152_T1_0.5mm work better or MIN152_T1_2mm ?

Thank you,
Mahmoud

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Re: [Freesurfer] registering coronal images

2014-11-03 Thread Mahmoud
Dear Bruce,

Unfortunately, this is the only thing I have.

Mahmoud

On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Bruce Fischl fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
wrote:

 is this the only T1-weighted image you have, or do you also have something
 more isotropic?


 On Mon, 3 Nov 2014, Mahmoud wrote:

  Dear all,

 I have some T1 images which are originally in coronal view and the
 in-plane
 resolution is 0.5x0.5mm and slice thickness is 2mm. The matrix size is
 512x512.
 I need to segment the left and right hemisphers. As the head is tilted I
 also need to register the images. Which atlas you recommend to use for
 this
 case ? Does MIN152_T1_0.5mm work better or MIN152_T1_2mm ?

 Thank you,
 Mahmoud


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Re: [Freesurfer] registering coronal images

2014-11-03 Thread Bruce Fischl
I see. You can try running it through recon-all, but the 2mm is at the 
edge of what will work

On Mon, 3 Nov 2014, Mahmoud wrote:


Dear Bruce,
Unfortunately, this is the only thing I have.

Mahmoud

On Mon, Nov 3, 2014 at 2:44 PM, Bruce Fischl fis...@nmr.mgh.harvard.edu
wrote:
  is this the only T1-weighted image you have, or do you also have
  something more isotropic?

  On Mon, 3 Nov 2014, Mahmoud wrote:

Dear all,

I have some T1 images which are originally in
coronal view and the in-plane
resolution is 0.5x0.5mm and slice thickness is 2mm.
The matrix size is
512x512.
I need to segment the left and right hemisphers. As
the head is tilted I
also need to register the images. Which atlas you
recommend to use for this
case ? Does MIN152_T1_0.5mm work better
or MIN152_T1_2mm ?

Thank you,
Mahmoud


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Re: [Freesurfer] Fwd: Underinclusion of Gray Matter

2014-11-03 Thread Bruce Fischl

Hi Christina

it's tough to tell from just a single image, but it looks to me like you 
are missing a bunch of white matter. Can you tell us more about the scan?


The typical way you would fix this is by setting some thresholds in 
mris_make_surfaces using the expert options. Probably max_csf should be 
lower. If you upload the subject we will take a look


cheers
Bruce


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Hi,

Are there any ways to fix underinclusion of gray matter cortical edges when
the white matter is fine?  Attached is a picture.

Thanks,
Christina


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[Freesurfer] mri_watershed -brain_atlas undocumented?

2014-11-03 Thread tvg[fs]
Hi all,

I noticed that during skull stripping the standard recon-all pipeline
uses option -brain_atlas in the routine mri_watershed. However
documentation of this argument cannot be found in the help section or
on the website.

mri_watershed --help | less -p atlas
https://surfer.nmr.mgh.harvard.edu/fswiki/mri_watershed?highlight=(atlas)

Is this an undocumented flag or simply a synonym for -atlas. Does
the -brain_atlas flag take an extra argument to specify the atlas?

Thanks,
Tom

Specs:
Mac OS X 10.8.5
freesurfer-Darwin-lion-stable-pub-v5.3.0
 mri_watershed --version
stable5
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Re: [Freesurfer] Fwd: Underinclusion of Gray Matter

2014-11-03 Thread John Epiktitos
dear all,
i am new on Mac and freeSusrfer.
I have installed freesurfer through the tutorial.
Is there any tutorial how to run on Mac.
Is there any method to extract stats on excel or spps?
The .mgz file shows the brain radiologically (r/l) or vice versa
John Papatriantafyllou

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 Hi,

 Are there any ways to fix underinclusion of gray matter cortical edges
 when the white matter is fine?  Attached is a picture.

 Thanks,
 Christina


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