Re: [Freesurfer] LME Univariate pvalue inconsistent

2018-08-29 Thread Martin Reuter
Hi Xiaoyu, 

again (see also other email) you should not run left hemispheres on the
right. This could introduce a processing bias, especially when you
force all left to be healthy and right to be diseased (or vice-versa). 

Instead run your images normally and then for the univariate , simply
compute the diff between the left and right ROI's (always healthy -
diseased). Then do a normal GLM analysis on this signed difference. 

Best, Martin


On Tue, 2018-08-28 at 21:27 +, Wang, Xiaoyu wrote:
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> Hello Freesurfer Developers,
>  
> I’m attempting to use Univariate LME analysis to compare the
> symptomatic and asymptomatic hemispheres of early stage Parkinson’s
> disease patients.
>  
> I re-organized the data so that the symptomatic hemisphere is the
> left hemisphere and the Asymptomatic is the right (by flipping the
> orig.mgz before recon-all).
>  
> I followed the LME model tutorial for univariate on the freesurfer
> wiki and created my qdec.tabel.dat to have the same layout as in the
> example with group 1 as left hemisphere and group 2 as right
> hemisphere.
>  
> I have a design matrix to do a simple linear model containing a group
> by time interaction with the contrast of [0 0 0 1 0 0]
>  
> After running the F-test however, I noticed that the p-value was
> really inconsistent across atlases.
> I used multiple atlases and noticed that the p-value can be as low as
> 1.00E-30 for many structures.
> This is too good to be true especially since after sending the
> thickness value to a statistician she came back with values greatly
> different from mine.
> However, the Bhat values were similar.
>  
> Can someone give me a hint as to what is going on?
>  
> Xiaoyu
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[Freesurfer] LME Univariate pvalue inconsistent

2018-08-28 Thread Wang, Xiaoyu
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Hello Freesurfer Developers,

I'm attempting to use Univariate LME analysis to compare the symptomatic and 
asymptomatic hemispheres of early stage Parkinson's disease patients.

I re-organized the data so that the symptomatic hemisphere is the left 
hemisphere and the Asymptomatic is the right (by flipping the orig.mgz before 
recon-all).

I followed the LME model tutorial for univariate on the freesurfer wiki and 
created my qdec.tabel.dat to have the same layout as in the example with group 
1 as left hemisphere and group 2 as right hemisphere.

I have a design matrix to do a simple linear model containing a group by time 
interaction with the contrast of [0 0 0 1 0 0]

After running the F-test however, I noticed that the p-value was really 
inconsistent across atlases.
I used multiple atlases and noticed that the p-value can be as low as 1.00E-30 
for many structures.
This is too good to be true especially since after sending the thickness value 
to a statistician she came back with values greatly different from mine.
However, the Bhat values were similar.

Can someone give me a hint as to what is going on?

Xiaoyu
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