Re: [Freeswitch-users] Hello, and stuff.
hello, freeswitch is Awesome and perfect! if you know XML, freeswitch use XML for there configuration file, no same to asterisk that trying to create a configuration language! this unic featur let you integrate freeswitch with any Application that support and Parce XML including Web 2.0 freeswitch also support protocol transcoding, including SIP, H.323, Iax2, Skype and GTalk! Real Time Feature: freeswitch support XML_Curl that let you configure freeswitch remotly from a web server that fetch data from a DB and return it to freeswitch in XML format XMLRPC let you execute remote api command using your web browser or your XMLRPC application about Event Socket, this let you build any type of application that talk to freeswitch or freeswitch talk to it in inbound and outbound mode good luk! Christensen Tom wrote: As a background, I ran an asterisk consulting company for about 3 years that I gave up on 2 years ago after repeatedly failing to achieve any sort of stability on any sort install over about 30 phones, I gave up. Maybe that was wrong, I am open to the possibility that I just didn't know enough and I was building things wrong, but I worked inside the asterisk code (which I feel is a hopeless mess), I implemented a few small custom features, anyway... I'm coming back into the VoIP space now, and I'm wondering what sort of issues can I expect in trying to pick up and learn freeswitch? From what I've read on the website, it appears to have a much more sane architecture. I've used Cisco, Broadsoft, and asterisk in the past. By far the least stable and worst general call quality was asterisk. I constantly contended with strange call quality issues in asterisk, lots of echo (even with hardware echo cancellation cards), lots of jitter, lots of call break up (even on small systems with 10-20 users, using QoS on the network, and in general doing everything I could to prioritize voice over anything else). When I used Cisco call manager and broadsoft, the voice quality issues were basically non-existant, as long as the network was running QoS echo, stutter, calls breaking up, just didn't happen. So, I guess my question is, does freeswitch show a marked improvement over asterisk in this department? As long as you configure QoS and have hardware echo cancellation does it actually work reliably? Thanks for any additional information about freeswitch you can provide as well. I am a software developer primarily by trade, but I do lots of consulting type work in the SME space and I've had a couple projects thrown to me that require some integration with a phone system, and I just can't in good conscience recommend asterisk anymore. -Tom __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4378 (20090828) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4378 (20090828) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4378 (20090828) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com ___ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Hello, and stuff.
You guys should put your experiences here :). http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Testimonials Diego On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 10:03 PM, Ognjen Seslija wrote: > I currently use FS for a managed PBX services for many companies. It's so > configurable and extensible, I don't think I would change it for anything. I > have Cisco CME and SCCP phones in my office all interconnected to FS doing > logic and thinking. I also have Asterisks as PSTN PRI gateways. FS does all > the job for me in the world, the other two are just used as protocol > gateways. I wouldn't change FS for anything else now, after a year and the > half of playing with it. I fully recommend it. > > Regards, > Ognjen > > P.S: To be fair, the echo on the hw ec cards is not really Asterisk's > fault. > > > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Christensen Tom > wrote: > >> As a background, I ran an asterisk consulting company for about 3 years >> that I gave up on 2 years ago after repeatedly failing to achieve any sort >> of stability on any sort install over about 30 phones, I gave up. >> >> Maybe that was wrong, I am open to the possibility that I just didn't know >> enough and I was building things wrong, but I worked inside the asterisk >> code (which I feel is a hopeless mess), I implemented a few small custom >> features, anyway... >> >> I'm coming back into the VoIP space now, and I'm wondering what sort of >> issues can I expect in trying to pick up and learn freeswitch? >From what >> I've read on the website, it appears to have a much more sane architecture. >> I've used Cisco, Broadsoft, and asterisk in the past. By far the least >> stable and worst general call quality was asterisk. I constantly contended >> with strange call quality issues in asterisk, lots of echo (even with >> hardware echo cancellation cards), lots of jitter, lots of call break up >> (even on small systems with 10-20 users, using QoS on the network, and in >> general doing everything I could to prioritize voice over anything else). >> >> When I used Cisco call manager and broadsoft, the voice quality issues >> were basically non-existant, as long as the network was running QoS echo, >> stutter, calls breaking up, just didn't happen. So, I guess my question is, >> does freeswitch show a marked improvement over asterisk in this department? >> As long as you configure QoS and have hardware echo cancellation does it >> actually work reliably? >> >> Thanks for any additional information about freeswitch you can provide as >> well. I am a software developer primarily by trade, but I do lots of >> consulting type work in the SME space and I've had a couple projects thrown >> to me that require some integration with a phone system, and I just can't in >> good conscience recommend asterisk anymore. >> >> >> -Tom >> >> ___ >> FreeSWITCH-users mailing list >> FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org >> http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users >> UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users >> http://www.freeswitch.org >> >> > > ___ > FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > http://www.freeswitch.org > > ___ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Hello, and stuff.
I currently use FS for a managed PBX services for many companies. It's so configurable and extensible, I don't think I would change it for anything. I have Cisco CME and SCCP phones in my office all interconnected to FS doing logic and thinking. I also have Asterisks as PSTN PRI gateways. FS does all the job for me in the world, the other two are just used as protocol gateways. I wouldn't change FS for anything else now, after a year and the half of playing with it. I fully recommend it. Regards, Ognjen P.S: To be fair, the echo on the hw ec cards is not really Asterisk's fault. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Christensen Tom wrote: > As a background, I ran an asterisk consulting company for about 3 years > that I gave up on 2 years ago after repeatedly failing to achieve any sort > of stability on any sort install over about 30 phones, I gave up. > > Maybe that was wrong, I am open to the possibility that I just didn't know > enough and I was building things wrong, but I worked inside the asterisk > code (which I feel is a hopeless mess), I implemented a few small custom > features, anyway... > > I'm coming back into the VoIP space now, and I'm wondering what sort of > issues can I expect in trying to pick up and learn freeswitch? From what > I've read on the website, it appears to have a much more sane architecture. > I've used Cisco, Broadsoft, and asterisk in the past. By far the least > stable and worst general call quality was asterisk. I constantly contended > with strange call quality issues in asterisk, lots of echo (even with > hardware echo cancellation cards), lots of jitter, lots of call break up > (even on small systems with 10-20 users, using QoS on the network, and in > general doing everything I could to prioritize voice over anything else). > > When I used Cisco call manager and broadsoft, the voice quality issues were > basically non-existant, as long as the network was running QoS echo, > stutter, calls breaking up, just didn't happen. So, I guess my question is, > does freeswitch show a marked improvement over asterisk in this department? > As long as you configure QoS and have hardware echo cancellation does it > actually work reliably? > > Thanks for any additional information about freeswitch you can provide as > well. I am a software developer primarily by trade, but I do lots of > consulting type work in the SME space and I've had a couple projects thrown > to me that require some integration with a phone system, and I just can't in > good conscience recommend asterisk anymore. > > > -Tom > > ___ > FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > http://www.freeswitch.org > > ___ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Hello, and stuff.
Hi Christensen, Welcome, you made a good choice on FreeSWITCH, and FS is much better at those things than Asterisk. Good luck, we are here to help you and tell us your experience later :). Diego On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 6:14 PM, Christensen Tom wrote: > As a background, I ran an asterisk consulting company for about 3 years > that I gave up on 2 years ago after repeatedly failing to achieve any sort > of stability on any sort install over about 30 phones, I gave up. > > Maybe that was wrong, I am open to the possibility that I just didn't know > enough and I was building things wrong, but I worked inside the asterisk > code (which I feel is a hopeless mess), I implemented a few small custom > features, anyway... > > I'm coming back into the VoIP space now, and I'm wondering what sort of > issues can I expect in trying to pick up and learn freeswitch? From what > I've read on the website, it appears to have a much more sane architecture. > I've used Cisco, Broadsoft, and asterisk in the past. By far the least > stable and worst general call quality was asterisk. I constantly contended > with strange call quality issues in asterisk, lots of echo (even with > hardware echo cancellation cards), lots of jitter, lots of call break up > (even on small systems with 10-20 users, using QoS on the network, and in > general doing everything I could to prioritize voice over anything else). > > When I used Cisco call manager and broadsoft, the voice quality issues were > basically non-existant, as long as the network was running QoS echo, > stutter, calls breaking up, just didn't happen. So, I guess my question is, > does freeswitch show a marked improvement over asterisk in this department? > As long as you configure QoS and have hardware echo cancellation does it > actually work reliably? > > Thanks for any additional information about freeswitch you can provide as > well. I am a software developer primarily by trade, but I do lots of > consulting type work in the SME space and I've had a couple projects thrown > to me that require some integration with a phone system, and I just can't in > good conscience recommend asterisk anymore. > > > -Tom > > ___ > FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > http://www.freeswitch.org > > ___ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Hello, and stuff.
Welcome on board Tom! And sorry for being witty before ;-) -gm On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:54 PM, Christensen Tom wrote: > I am totally fine without a slick GUI interface. The first 2 years of > asterisk stuff I did was all in on the CLI in (I use > vim most of the time, but not for religious reasons...). > Anyway, thanks for the info, I'll be setting up a freeswitch system this > weekend expect to see me on IRC and here.. > Thanks! > -Tom > > Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:54:25 -0700 > From: m...@freeswitch.org > To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org > Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Hello, and stuff. > > Tom, > Welcome! Sadly, your experience is not unique... > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Christensen Tom > wrote: > > As a background, I ran an asterisk consulting company for about 3 years that > I gave up on 2 years ago after repeatedly failing to achieve any sort of > stability on any sort install over about 30 phones, I gave up. > > The consensus I've seen is that the larger the install, the more likely one > is to have inexplicable issues. > > > Maybe that was wrong, I am open to the possibility that I just didn't know > enough and I was building things wrong, but I worked inside the asterisk > code (which I feel is a hopeless mess), I implemented a few small custom > features, anyway... > > Any software that openly admits that a function is "pure nastiness" but > doesn't change it from version 1.0, 1.2, 1.4, or 1.6 has questionable > leadership IMHO. (grep the Asterisk source tree for "nastiness" and you'll > see it.) > > > I'm coming back into the VoIP space now, and I'm wondering what sort of > issues can I expect in trying to pick up and learn freeswitch? From what > I've read on the website, it appears to have a much more sane architecture. > I've used Cisco, Broadsoft, and asterisk in the past. By far the least > stable and worst general call quality was asterisk. I constantly contended > with strange call quality issues in asterisk, lots of echo (even with > hardware echo cancellation cards), lots of jitter, lots of call break up > (even on small systems with 10-20 users, using QoS on the network, and in > general doing everything I could to prioritize voice over anything else). > > Again, your experience isn't unique... > > When I used Cisco call manager and broadsoft, the voice quality issues were > basically non-existant, as long as the network was running QoS echo, > stutter, calls breaking up, just didn't happen. So, I guess my question is, > does freeswitch show a marked improvement over asterisk in this department? > As long as you configure QoS and have hardware echo cancellation does it > actually work reliably? > > We receive lots of reports that FreeSWITCH is a vast improvement over not > only Asterisk but proprietary solutions as well. The FS architecture is, as > you mentioned, not insane. It is well thought out and therefore highly > flexible, extensible, and scalable. I'm not aware of anything - OSS or > proprietary - that can match FS in these three areas. > > Thanks for any additional information about freeswitch you can provide as > well. I am a software developer primarily by trade, but I do lots of > consulting type work in the SME space and I've had a couple projects thrown > to me that require some integration with a phone system, and I just can't in > good conscience recommend asterisk anymore. > > Are you comfortable with the lack of a super slick GUI? :) Some GUIs are in > development but the power users are quite happy with doing the emacs (or > vim) shuffle with the XML config files. Furthermore, the ways that FS allows > you to connect and control are fantastic: mod_xml_curl for dynamic > configurations, event-socket for external control (think of it like AMI not > sucking and being turbo-charged), mod_xml_rpc for RPC goodness... Anyway, > the list is impressive. > > I can honestly say that every week we get new people looking at FreeSWITCH > and saying, "Wow, this is incredible." I can definitely, in good conscience, > recommend you investigate FS more deeply. I'm confident you'll be happy with > the return on your investment. > > Hope it all works out for you! Join us in #freeswitch on irc.freenode.net if > you want to chat in real-time. > -Michael > > > > ___ > FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > http://www.freeswitch.org > > ___ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Hello, and stuff.
I am totally fine without a slick GUI interface. The first 2 years of asterisk stuff I did was all in on the CLI in (I use vim most of the time, but not for religious reasons...). Anyway, thanks for the info, I'll be setting up a freeswitch system this weekend expect to see me on IRC and here.. Thanks! -Tom Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2009 11:54:25 -0700 From: m...@freeswitch.org To: freeswitch-users@lists.freeswitch.org Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Hello, and stuff. Tom, Welcome! Sadly, your experience is not unique... On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Christensen Tom wrote: As a background, I ran an asterisk consulting company for about 3 years that I gave up on 2 years ago after repeatedly failing to achieve any sort of stability on any sort install over about 30 phones, I gave up. The consensus I've seen is that the larger the install, the more likely one is to have inexplicable issues. Maybe that was wrong, I am open to the possibility that I just didn't know enough and I was building things wrong, but I worked inside the asterisk code (which I feel is a hopeless mess), I implemented a few small custom features, anyway... Any software that openly admits that a function is "pure nastiness" but doesn't change it from version 1.0, 1.2, 1.4, or 1.6 has questionable leadership IMHO. (grep the Asterisk source tree for "nastiness" and you'll see it.) I'm coming back into the VoIP space now, and I'm wondering what sort of issues can I expect in trying to pick up and learn freeswitch? From what I've read on the website, it appears to have a much more sane architecture. I've used Cisco, Broadsoft, and asterisk in the past. By far the least stable and worst general call quality was asterisk. I constantly contended with strange call quality issues in asterisk, lots of echo (even with hardware echo cancellation cards), lots of jitter, lots of call break up (even on small systems with 10-20 users, using QoS on the network, and in general doing everything I could to prioritize voice over anything else). Again, your experience isn't unique... When I used Cisco call manager and broadsoft, the voice quality issues were basically non-existant, as long as the network was running QoS echo, stutter, calls breaking up, just didn't happen. So, I guess my question is, does freeswitch show a marked improvement over asterisk in this department? As long as you configure QoS and have hardware echo cancellation does it actually work reliably? We receive lots of reports that FreeSWITCH is a vast improvement over not only Asterisk but proprietary solutions as well. The FS architecture is, as you mentioned, not insane. It is well thought out and therefore highly flexible, extensible, and scalable. I'm not aware of anything - OSS or proprietary - that can match FS in these three areas. Thanks for any additional information about freeswitch you can provide as well. I am a software developer primarily by trade, but I do lots of consulting type work in the SME space and I've had a couple projects thrown to me that require some integration with a phone system, and I just can't in good conscience recommend asterisk anymore. Are you comfortable with the lack of a super slick GUI? :) Some GUIs are in development but the power users are quite happy with doing the emacs (or vim) shuffle with the XML config files. Furthermore, the ways that FS allows you to connect and control are fantastic: mod_xml_curl for dynamic configurations, event-socket for external control (think of it like AMI not sucking and being turbo-charged), mod_xml_rpc for RPC goodness... Anyway, the list is impressive. I can honestly say that every week we get new people looking at FreeSWITCH and saying, "Wow, this is incredible." I can definitely, in good conscience, recommend you investigate FS more deeply. I'm confident you'll be happy with the return on your investment. Hope it all works out for you! Join us in #freeswitch on irc.freenode.net if you want to chat in real-time. -Michael ___ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Hello, and stuff.
http://www.freeswitch.org/node/117 That's essentially the story of why I wrote FS. On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 1:54 PM, Michael Collins wrote: > Tom, > Welcome! Sadly, your experience is not unique... > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Christensen Tom > wrote: > >> As a background, I ran an asterisk consulting company for about 3 years >> that I gave up on 2 years ago after repeatedly failing to achieve any sort >> of stability on any sort install over about 30 phones, I gave up. >> > > The consensus I've seen is that the larger the install, the more likely one > is to have inexplicable issues. > >> >> >> Maybe that was wrong, I am open to the possibility that I just didn't know >> enough and I was building things wrong, but I worked inside the asterisk >> code (which I feel is a hopeless mess), I implemented a few small custom >> features, anyway... >> > > Any software that openly admits that a function is "pure nastiness" but > doesn't change it from version 1.0, 1.2, 1.4, or 1.6 has questionable > leadership IMHO. (grep the Asterisk source tree for "nastiness" and you'll > see it.) > >> >> >> I'm coming back into the VoIP space now, and I'm wondering what sort of >> issues can I expect in trying to pick up and learn freeswitch? From what >> I've read on the website, it appears to have a much more sane architecture. >> I've used Cisco, Broadsoft, and asterisk in the past. By far the least >> stable and worst general call quality was asterisk. I constantly contended >> with strange call quality issues in asterisk, lots of echo (even with >> hardware echo cancellation cards), lots of jitter, lots of call break up >> (even on small systems with 10-20 users, using QoS on the network, and in >> general doing everything I could to prioritize voice over anything else). >> > > Again, your experience isn't unique... > >> >> When I used Cisco call manager and broadsoft, the voice quality issues >> were basically non-existant, as long as the network was running QoS echo, >> stutter, calls breaking up, just didn't happen. So, I guess my question is, >> does freeswitch show a marked improvement over asterisk in this department? >> As long as you configure QoS and have hardware echo cancellation does it >> actually work reliably? >> > > We receive lots of reports that FreeSWITCH is a vast improvement over not > only Asterisk but proprietary solutions as well. The FS architecture is, as > you mentioned, not insane. It is well thought out and therefore highly > flexible, extensible, and scalable. I'm not aware of anything - OSS or > proprietary - that can match FS in these three areas. > >> >> Thanks for any additional information about freeswitch you can provide as >> well. I am a software developer primarily by trade, but I do lots of >> consulting type work in the SME space and I've had a couple projects thrown >> to me that require some integration with a phone system, and I just can't in >> good conscience recommend asterisk anymore. >> > > Are you comfortable with the lack of a super slick GUI? :) Some GUIs are in > development but the power users are quite happy with doing the emacs (or > vim) shuffle with the XML config files. Furthermore, the ways that FS allows > you to connect and control are fantastic: mod_xml_curl for dynamic > configurations, event-socket for external control (think of it like AMI not > sucking and being turbo-charged), mod_xml_rpc for RPC goodness... Anyway, > the list is impressive. > > I can honestly say that every week we get new people looking at FreeSWITCH > and saying, "Wow, this is incredible." I can definitely, in good conscience, > recommend you investigate FS more deeply. I'm confident you'll be happy with > the return on your investment. > > Hope it all works out for you! Join us in #freeswitch on irc.freenode.netif > you want to chat in real-time. > -Michael > > > > ___ > FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > http://www.freeswitch.org > > -- Anthony Minessale II FreeSWITCH http://www.freeswitch.org/ ClueCon http://www.cluecon.com/ Twitter: http://twitter.com/FreeSWITCH_wire AIM: anthm MSN:anthony_miness...@hotmail.com GTALK/JABBER/PAYPAL:anthony.miness...@gmail.com IRC: irc.freenode.net #freeswitch FreeSWITCH Developer Conference sip:8...@conference.freeswitch.org iax:gu...@conference.freeswitch.org/888 googletalk:conf+...@conference.freeswitch.org pstn:213-799-1400 ___ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Hello, and stuff.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 9:04 PM, Michael Collins wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Giovanni Maruzzelli > wrote: >> >> Hi Tom, >> >> best is to try it for yourself, you cannot expect from the FS mailing >> list an answer like: "you know, fs is nor a marked improvement on >> anything, we just like to spend time together" :-) > > Although, in reality, some of us do actually enjoy spending time together. > :P > -MC meh too! ;-) ___ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Hello, and stuff.
On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:55 AM, Giovanni Maruzzelli wrote: > Hi Tom, > > best is to try it for yourself, you cannot expect from the FS mailing > list an answer like: "you know, fs is nor a marked improvement on > anything, we just like to spend time together" :-) > Although, in reality, some of us do actually enjoy spending time together. :P -MC ___ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Hello, and stuff.
Hi Tom, best is to try it for yourself, you cannot expect from the FS mailing list an answer like: "you know, fs is nor a marked improvement on anything, we just like to spend time together" :-) -gm On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 8:14 PM, Christensen Tom wrote: > As a background, I ran an asterisk consulting company for about 3 years that > I gave up on 2 years ago after repeatedly failing to achieve any sort of > stability on any sort install over about 30 phones, I gave up. > > Maybe that was wrong, I am open to the possibility that I just didn't know > enough and I was building things wrong, but I worked inside the asterisk > code (which I feel is a hopeless mess), I implemented a few small custom > features, anyway... > > I'm coming back into the VoIP space now, and I'm wondering what sort of > issues can I expect in trying to pick up and learn freeswitch? From what > I've read on the website, it appears to have a much more sane architecture. > I've used Cisco, Broadsoft, and asterisk in the past. By far the least > stable and worst general call quality was asterisk. I constantly contended > with strange call quality issues in asterisk, lots of echo (even with > hardware echo cancellation cards), lots of jitter, lots of call break up > (even on small systems with 10-20 users, using QoS on the network, and in > general doing everything I could to prioritize voice over anything else). > > When I used Cisco call manager and broadsoft, the voice quality issues were > basically non-existant, as long as the network was running QoS echo, > stutter, calls breaking up, just didn't happen. So, I guess my question is, > does freeswitch show a marked improvement over asterisk in this department? > As long as you configure QoS and have hardware echo cancellation does it > actually work reliably? > > Thanks for any additional information about freeswitch you can provide as > well. I am a software developer primarily by trade, but I do lots of > consulting type work in the SME space and I've had a couple projects thrown > to me that require some integration with a phone system, and I just can't in > good conscience recommend asterisk anymore. > > > -Tom > > ___ > FreeSWITCH-users mailing list > FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org > http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users > UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users > http://www.freeswitch.org > > ___ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
Re: [Freeswitch-users] Hello, and stuff.
Tom, Welcome! Sadly, your experience is not unique... On Fri, Aug 28, 2009 at 11:14 AM, Christensen Tom wrote: > As a background, I ran an asterisk consulting company for about 3 years > that I gave up on 2 years ago after repeatedly failing to achieve any sort > of stability on any sort install over about 30 phones, I gave up. > The consensus I've seen is that the larger the install, the more likely one is to have inexplicable issues. > > > Maybe that was wrong, I am open to the possibility that I just didn't know > enough and I was building things wrong, but I worked inside the asterisk > code (which I feel is a hopeless mess), I implemented a few small custom > features, anyway... > Any software that openly admits that a function is "pure nastiness" but doesn't change it from version 1.0, 1.2, 1.4, or 1.6 has questionable leadership IMHO. (grep the Asterisk source tree for "nastiness" and you'll see it.) > > > I'm coming back into the VoIP space now, and I'm wondering what sort of > issues can I expect in trying to pick up and learn freeswitch? From what > I've read on the website, it appears to have a much more sane architecture. > I've used Cisco, Broadsoft, and asterisk in the past. By far the least > stable and worst general call quality was asterisk. I constantly contended > with strange call quality issues in asterisk, lots of echo (even with > hardware echo cancellation cards), lots of jitter, lots of call break up > (even on small systems with 10-20 users, using QoS on the network, and in > general doing everything I could to prioritize voice over anything else). > Again, your experience isn't unique... > > When I used Cisco call manager and broadsoft, the voice quality issues were > basically non-existant, as long as the network was running QoS echo, > stutter, calls breaking up, just didn't happen. So, I guess my question is, > does freeswitch show a marked improvement over asterisk in this department? > As long as you configure QoS and have hardware echo cancellation does it > actually work reliably? > We receive lots of reports that FreeSWITCH is a vast improvement over not only Asterisk but proprietary solutions as well. The FS architecture is, as you mentioned, not insane. It is well thought out and therefore highly flexible, extensible, and scalable. I'm not aware of anything - OSS or proprietary - that can match FS in these three areas. > > Thanks for any additional information about freeswitch you can provide as > well. I am a software developer primarily by trade, but I do lots of > consulting type work in the SME space and I've had a couple projects thrown > to me that require some integration with a phone system, and I just can't in > good conscience recommend asterisk anymore. > Are you comfortable with the lack of a super slick GUI? :) Some GUIs are in development but the power users are quite happy with doing the emacs (or vim) shuffle with the XML config files. Furthermore, the ways that FS allows you to connect and control are fantastic: mod_xml_curl for dynamic configurations, event-socket for external control (think of it like AMI not sucking and being turbo-charged), mod_xml_rpc for RPC goodness... Anyway, the list is impressive. I can honestly say that every week we get new people looking at FreeSWITCH and saying, "Wow, this is incredible." I can definitely, in good conscience, recommend you investigate FS more deeply. I'm confident you'll be happy with the return on your investment. Hope it all works out for you! Join us in #freeswitch on irc.freenode.net if you want to chat in real-time. -Michael ___ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
[Freeswitch-users] Hello, and stuff.
As a background, I ran an asterisk consulting company for about 3 years that I gave up on 2 years ago after repeatedly failing to achieve any sort of stability on any sort install over about 30 phones, I gave up. Maybe that was wrong, I am open to the possibility that I just didn't know enough and I was building things wrong, but I worked inside the asterisk code (which I feel is a hopeless mess), I implemented a few small custom features, anyway... I'm coming back into the VoIP space now, and I'm wondering what sort of issues can I expect in trying to pick up and learn freeswitch? From what I've read on the website, it appears to have a much more sane architecture. I've used Cisco, Broadsoft, and asterisk in the past. By far the least stable and worst general call quality was asterisk. I constantly contended with strange call quality issues in asterisk, lots of echo (even with hardware echo cancellation cards), lots of jitter, lots of call break up (even on small systems with 10-20 users, using QoS on the network, and in general doing everything I could to prioritize voice over anything else). When I used Cisco call manager and broadsoft, the voice quality issues were basically non-existant, as long as the network was running QoS echo, stutter, calls breaking up, just didn't happen. So, I guess my question is, does freeswitch show a marked improvement over asterisk in this department? As long as you configure QoS and have hardware echo cancellation does it actually work reliably? Thanks for any additional information about freeswitch you can provide as well. I am a software developer primarily by trade, but I do lots of consulting type work in the SME space and I've had a couple projects thrown to me that require some integration with a phone system, and I just can't in good conscience recommend asterisk anymore. -Tom ___ FreeSWITCH-users mailing list FreeSWITCH-users@lists.freeswitch.org http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/listinfo/freeswitch-users UNSUBSCRIBE:http://lists.freeswitch.org/mailman/options/freeswitch-users http://www.freeswitch.org
