Re: [Freeswitch-users] Proxy media mode with T.38 re-invite

2009-10-22 Thread Peder
We have probably 30-40 fax machines running T.38 between Linksys SPA-3102
and Cisco gateways.  We have a pretty good success rate and we have been
doing this for probably 2-3 years.  We have a couple of them going thru an *
1.4 box and it seems to work ok.  One of my projects is to try and get them
all converted to go thru an FS box, I just haven't had time.  Our biggest
issues have always been error correction.  Once we disable that on the fax
machine, it seems to work pretty good.  As a general rule, we have found
that older cheaper machines work better.  New fancy machines are unreliable
and that could certainly be related to v.34 issues, but we haven't bothered
to get that into it to find out.

Peder

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Subject: Re: [Freeswitch-users] Proxy media mode with T.38 re-invite

AFAIK T.38 v2 supports a max speed of 14.4 anyhow, so that's the max
speed you'll ever see in the SDP. T.38 v3 supposedly supports v.34
speeds, however no one that I've seen has implemented it yet - not sure
it's even an official standard?

Yes, in my experience, v.34 capable FAXes do not properly negotiate down
to 14.4 speeds, we've always had to disable v.34 (or whatever the option
is called on your particular make/model to force it down to 14.4 or
slower speeds). We use the Cisco/Linksys ATAs - I've heard there's
better ATAs out there that properly negotiate the FAX down to 14.4 on
the T.30 side of the connection, but never had a chance to play with them.

I'd certainly be interested to hear anyone's experience with T.38
reliability and various combinations of FAX machines and make/model of ATAs.

Gabe

Kristian Kielhofner wrote:
> Gabe,
> 
>   I don't think any of them are plus the T.38 SDP tells me the bitrate
> is 14400, certainly not V.34 speed.
> 
>   Are you saying the machine even trying to negotiate V.34 poses a
problem?
> 
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Gabriel Kuri  wrote:
>> Out of curiosity, is it a Super G3 (ie v.34) capable FAX? We've had
>> nothing but intermittent problems with Super G3 FAXes over T.38, unless
>> v.34 is strictly turned off on the machine.
>>
>> Gabe
>>
> 


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Re: [Freeswitch-users] Proxy media mode with T.38 re-invite

2009-10-22 Thread Tihomir Culjaga
well, my experience with T.38 is that we switched it off within our network
and now use passthrough instead :P.

the reason:

   - new fax machines that defaults to v.34 and on some you cannot disable
   SG3 at all... just imagine what pain it is to produce a how to disable V.34
   manual for every damn fax machine
   - a variety of T.30 <> T.38 mapping issues, broken GWs/ATAs that don't do
   a correct encoding/decoding expectantly when it comes to a terminating fax
   server that doesn't send a proper EOP... God save our souls...
   - our network has very low jitter - up to 40 ms , so passthrough works
   perfect
   - bandwidth become cheap :=)
   - and ... don't even remember any fax issues after shutdown T.38

i could go with the list... but i suppose you have better things to do  :P


T.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 9:29 PM, Gabriel Kuri  wrote:

> AFAIK T.38 v2 supports a max speed of 14.4 anyhow, so that's the max
> speed you'll ever see in the SDP. T.38 v3 supposedly supports v.34
> speeds, however no one that I've seen has implemented it yet - not sure
> it's even an official standard?
>
> Yes, in my experience, v.34 capable FAXes do not properly negotiate down
> to 14.4 speeds, we've always had to disable v.34 (or whatever the option
> is called on your particular make/model to force it down to 14.4 or
> slower speeds). We use the Cisco/Linksys ATAs - I've heard there's
> better ATAs out there that properly negotiate the FAX down to 14.4 on
> the T.30 side of the connection, but never had a chance to play with them.
>
> I'd certainly be interested to hear anyone's experience with T.38
> reliability and various combinations of FAX machines and make/model of
> ATAs.
>
> Gabe
>
> Kristian Kielhofner wrote:
> > Gabe,
> >
> >   I don't think any of them are plus the T.38 SDP tells me the bitrate
> > is 14400, certainly not V.34 speed.
> >
> >   Are you saying the machine even trying to negotiate V.34 poses a
> problem?
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Gabriel Kuri  wrote:
> >> Out of curiosity, is it a Super G3 (ie v.34) capable FAX? We've had
> >> nothing but intermittent problems with Super G3 FAXes over T.38, unless
> >> v.34 is strictly turned off on the machine.
> >>
> >> Gabe
> >>
> >
>
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Re: [Freeswitch-users] Proxy media mode with T.38 re-invite

2009-10-22 Thread Gabriel Kuri
AFAIK T.38 v2 supports a max speed of 14.4 anyhow, so that's the max
speed you'll ever see in the SDP. T.38 v3 supposedly supports v.34
speeds, however no one that I've seen has implemented it yet - not sure
it's even an official standard?

Yes, in my experience, v.34 capable FAXes do not properly negotiate down
to 14.4 speeds, we've always had to disable v.34 (or whatever the option
is called on your particular make/model to force it down to 14.4 or
slower speeds). We use the Cisco/Linksys ATAs - I've heard there's
better ATAs out there that properly negotiate the FAX down to 14.4 on
the T.30 side of the connection, but never had a chance to play with them.

I'd certainly be interested to hear anyone's experience with T.38
reliability and various combinations of FAX machines and make/model of ATAs.

Gabe

Kristian Kielhofner wrote:
> Gabe,
> 
>   I don't think any of them are plus the T.38 SDP tells me the bitrate
> is 14400, certainly not V.34 speed.
> 
>   Are you saying the machine even trying to negotiate V.34 poses a problem?
> 
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Gabriel Kuri  wrote:
>> Out of curiosity, is it a Super G3 (ie v.34) capable FAX? We've had
>> nothing but intermittent problems with Super G3 FAXes over T.38, unless
>> v.34 is strictly turned off on the machine.
>>
>> Gabe
>>
> 


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Re: [Freeswitch-users] Proxy media mode with T.38 re-invite

2009-10-22 Thread Kristian Kielhofner
Gabe,

  I don't think any of them are plus the T.38 SDP tells me the bitrate
is 14400, certainly not V.34 speed.

  Are you saying the machine even trying to negotiate V.34 poses a problem?

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Gabriel Kuri  wrote:
> Out of curiosity, is it a Super G3 (ie v.34) capable FAX? We've had
> nothing but intermittent problems with Super G3 FAXes over T.38, unless
> v.34 is strictly turned off on the machine.
>
> Gabe
>

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Re: [Freeswitch-users] Proxy media mode with T.38 re-invite

2009-10-22 Thread Tihomir Culjaga
indeed, this looks like a "dialect" problem between your fax machine and
your T.38 device.
Anyhow, T.38  doesn't work well with SG3... I Always have to disable v.34 in
order to have a reliable fax service.

Also, cisco uses to suppress CM so that SG3 timeouts on ANSam the
communication fallbacks to ordinary G3.

Kristian, just for fun, what are you using to send the fax ?

T.

On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 8:16 PM, Gabriel Kuri  wrote:

> Out of curiosity, is it a Super G3 (ie v.34) capable FAX? We've had
> nothing but intermittent problems with Super G3 FAXes over T.38, unless
> v.34 is strictly turned off on the machine.
>
> Gabe
>
>
> Kristian Kielhofner wrote:
> > On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Tihomir Culjaga 
> wrote:
> >
> >   One fax machine here in the office (still testing others) correctly
> > sends all fax pages.  A minute or so after the fax is marked
> > "successful" on both sides it hangs up, redials, and resends the last
> > page...  It never did it while connected to the PSTN but then again my
> > other fax machine isn't doing it either.  I'm going to test with more
> > fax machines to see if it's an issue with that specific machine.
> >
>
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Re: [Freeswitch-users] Proxy media mode with T.38 re-invite

2009-10-22 Thread Gabriel Kuri
Out of curiosity, is it a Super G3 (ie v.34) capable FAX? We've had
nothing but intermittent problems with Super G3 FAXes over T.38, unless
v.34 is strictly turned off on the machine.

Gabe


Kristian Kielhofner wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Tihomir Culjaga  wrote:
>
>   One fax machine here in the office (still testing others) correctly
> sends all fax pages.  A minute or so after the fax is marked
> "successful" on both sides it hangs up, redials, and resends the last
> page...  It never did it while connected to the PSTN but then again my
> other fax machine isn't doing it either.  I'm going to test with more
> fax machines to see if it's an issue with that specific machine.
> 


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Re: [Freeswitch-users] Proxy media mode with T.38 re-invite

2009-10-22 Thread Kristian Kielhofner
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 11:58 AM, Tihomir Culjaga  wrote:
>
> and what these few issues are? :P
>

  One fax machine here in the office (still testing others) correctly
sends all fax pages.  A minute or so after the fax is marked
"successful" on both sides it hangs up, redials, and resends the last
page...  It never did it while connected to the PSTN but then again my
other fax machine isn't doing it either.  I'm going to test with more
fax machines to see if it's an issue with that specific machine.

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Re: [Freeswitch-users] Proxy media mode with T.38 re-invite

2009-10-22 Thread Tihomir Culjaga
On Thu, Oct 22, 2009 at 5:44 PM, Kristian Kielhofner <
kristian.kielhof...@gmail.com> wrote:

> An update for Tony, Brian, Mike, and everyone on the list...
>
> I was able to get some phone time with the team yesterday.  Tony
> worked on my machine, found the issue, and had it committed within 30
> minutes.
>
> I've been testing T.38 all morning between the fax machines in the
> office with few issues.
>
>
and what these few issues are? :P



> THANKS AGAIN GUYS!
>
>
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Re: [Freeswitch-users] Proxy media mode with T.38 re-invite

2009-10-22 Thread Kristian Kielhofner
An update for Tony, Brian, Mike, and everyone on the list...

I was able to get some phone time with the team yesterday.  Tony
worked on my machine, found the issue, and had it committed within 30
minutes.

I've been testing T.38 all morning between the fax machines in the
office with few issues.

THANKS AGAIN GUYS!

On Wed, Oct 21, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Anthony Minessale
 wrote:
> can you try trunk and let me know right away,
> if it's still not working i may need ssh access and call you on the phone.
>

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Re: [Freeswitch-users] Proxy media mode with T.38 re-invite

2009-10-21 Thread Anthony Minessale
can you try trunk and let me know right away,
if it's still not working i may need ssh access and call you on the phone.


On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Kristian Kielhofner <
kristian.kielhof...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Done.
>
> On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Anthony Minessale
>  wrote:
> > issue:
> > console loglevel debug
> > sofia profile internal siptrace on
> >
> > and put it on pastebin
> > http://pastebin.freeswitch.org
> >
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Re: [Freeswitch-users] Proxy media mode with T.38 re-invite

2009-10-20 Thread Kristian Kielhofner
Done.

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Anthony Minessale
 wrote:
> issue:
> console loglevel debug
> sofia profile internal siptrace on
>
> and put it on pastebin
> http://pastebin.freeswitch.org
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Re: [Freeswitch-users] Proxy media mode with T.38 re-invite

2009-10-20 Thread Kristian Kielhofner
Anthony,

  I will the next chance I get.

Thanks!

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:34 PM, Anthony Minessale
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> issue:
> console loglevel debug
> sofia profile internal siptrace on
>
> and put it on pastebin
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Re: [Freeswitch-users] Proxy media mode with T.38 re-invite

2009-10-20 Thread Kristian Kielhofner
Brian,

  It's already set to silence :).

  My guess here is that Sofia is mis-interpreting the re-INVITE as not
having any media (a la RFC 2543 hold).

  I don't want to place the call on hold.  I want to negotiate T.38 ;).

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 5:35 PM, Brian West  wrote:
> Fix this or set it to silence.
>
> /b
>
> On Oct 20, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Kristian Kielhofner wrote:
>
>> EXECUTE sofia/s2s/+19412848...@65.196.170.129 playback
>> (local_stream://moh)
>> 2009-10-20 20:54:19.112927 [ERR] switch_core_file.c:116 Invalid file
>> format [local_stream] for [moh]!
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Re: [Freeswitch-users] Proxy media mode with T.38 re-invite

2009-10-20 Thread Brian West
Fix this or set it to silence.

/b

On Oct 20, 2009, at 3:57 PM, Kristian Kielhofner wrote:

> EXECUTE sofia/s2s/+19412848...@65.196.170.129 playback 
> (local_stream://moh)
> 2009-10-20 20:54:19.112927 [ERR] switch_core_file.c:116 Invalid file
> format [local_stream] for [moh]!


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[Freeswitch-users] Proxy media mode with T.38 re-invite

2009-10-20 Thread Kristian Kielhofner
Hello everyone,

  Now that proxy media mode is working again I'm trying to figure out
why T.38 with re-INVITE doesn't...

  Everything goes well until my end tries to re-INVITE to T.38:

U 10.16.5.129:5060 -> 65.196.170.191:5060
INVITE sip:mod_so...@65.196.170.191:5060 SIP/2.0.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 10.16.5.129:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-2656bddb.
From: ;tag=9f75a042a3ca1f17i0.
To: "WIRELESS CALLER" ;tag=4eUH874j0eUZF.
Remote-Party-ID: fax_9186 ;screen=yes;party=called.
Call-ID: 2889ab05-385d-122d-07b2-0014221c0392.
CSeq: 101 INVITE.
Max-Forwards: 70.
Contact: fax_9186 .
Expires: 30.
User-Agent: Linksys/SPA3102-5.1.10(GW).
Content-Length: 261.
Content-Type: application/sdp.
.
v=0.
o=- 57670 57670 IN IP4 10.16.5.129.
s=-.
c=IN IP4 10.16.5.129.
t=0 0.
m=image 16454 udptl t38.
a=T38FaxVersion:0.
a=T38MaxBitRate:14400.
a=T38FaxRateManagement:transferredTCF.
a=T38FaxMaxBuffer:200.
a=T38FaxMaxDatagram:200.
a=T38FaxUdpEC:t38UDPRedundancy.


U 65.196.170.191:5060 -> 10.16.5.129:5060
SIP/2.0 100 Trying.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 10.16.5.129:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-2656bddb.
From: ;tag=9f75a042a3ca1f17i0.
To: "WIRELESS CALLER" ;tag=4eUH874j0eUZF.
Call-ID: 2889ab05-385d-122d-07b2-0014221c0392.
CSeq: 101 INVITE.
User-Agent: Star2Star Media.
Content-Length: 0.
.

U 65.196.170.191:5060 -> 10.16.5.129:5060
SIP/2.0 200 OK.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 10.16.5.129:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-2656bddb.
From: ;tag=9f75a042a3ca1f17i0.
To: "WIRELESS CALLER" ;tag=4eUH874j0eUZF.
Call-ID: 2889ab05-385d-122d-07b2-0014221c0392.
CSeq: 101 INVITE.
Contact: .
User-Agent: Star2Star Media.
Accept: application/sdp.
Allow: INVITE, ACK, BYE, CANCEL, OPTIONS, MESSAGE, INFO, REGISTER,
REFER, UPDATE, NOTIFY, PUBLISH, SUBSCRIBE.
Supported: timer, precondition, path, replaces.
Content-Type: application/sdp.
Content-Disposition: session.
Content-Length: 242.
.
v=0.
o=Sonus_UAC 881416742673069109 186840485790971511 IN IP4 65.196.170.129.
s=SIP Media Capabilities.
c=IN IP4 65.196.170.191.
t=0 0.
m=audio 19646 RTP/AVP 101.
a=rtpmap:101 telephone-event/8000.
a=fmtp:101 0-16.
a=silenceSupp:off - - - -.


U 10.16.5.129:5060 -> 65.196.170.191:5060
ACK sip:mod_so...@65.196.170.191:5060 SIP/2.0.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 10.16.5.129:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-842177a7.
From: ;tag=9f75a042a3ca1f17i0.
To: "WIRELESS CALLER" ;tag=4eUH874j0eUZF.
Call-ID: 2889ab05-385d-122d-07b2-0014221c0392.
CSeq: 101 ACK.
Max-Forwards: 70.
Contact: fax_9186 .
User-Agent: Linksys/SPA3102-5.1.10(GW).
Content-Length: 0.
.

U 10.16.5.129:5060 -> 65.196.170.191:5060
BYE sip:mod_so...@65.196.170.191:5060 SIP/2.0.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 10.16.5.129:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-9e6b284b.
From: ;tag=9f75a042a3ca1f17i0.
To: "WIRELESS CALLER" ;tag=4eUH874j0eUZF.
Call-ID: 2889ab05-385d-122d-07b2-0014221c0392.
CSeq: 102 BYE.
Max-Forwards: 70.
User-Agent: Linksys/SPA3102-5.1.10(GW).
Content-Length: 0.
.

U 65.196.170.191:5060 -> 10.16.5.129:5060
SIP/2.0 200 OK.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 10.16.5.129:5060;branch=z9hG4bK-9e6b284b.
From: ;tag=9f75a042a3ca1f17i0.
To: "WIRELESS CALLER" ;tag=4eUH874j0eUZF.
Call-ID: 2889ab05-385d-122d-07b2-0014221c0392.
CSeq: 102 BYE.
User-Agent: Star2Star Media.
Allow: INVITE, ACK, BYE, CANCEL, OPTIONS, MESSAGE, INFO, REGISTER,
REFER, UPDATE, NOTIFY, PUBLISH, SUBSCRIBE.
Supported: timer, precondition, path, replaces.
Content-Length: 0.
.

U 65.196.170.191:5080 -> 65.196.170.129:5060
BYE sip:gw+s...@65.196.170.129:5080;transport=udp SIP/2.0.
Via: SIP/2.0/UDP 65.196.170.191:5080;rport;branch=z9hG4bKpv9pFF0S5r9ca.
Route: .
Max-Forwards: 70.
From: ;tag=p4H9tpXS1Qv8m.
To: "WIRELESS CALLER" ;tag=3D535BNy2tS9e.
Call-ID: 2d4c8faa-385d-122d-a69b-003018ae0bd3.
CSeq: 121917605 BYE.
Contact: .
User-Agent: Star2Star Media.
Allow: INVITE, ACK, BYE, CANCEL, OPTIONS, MESSAGE, INFO, REGISTER,
REFER, UPDATE, NOTIFY.
Supported: timer, precondition, path, replaces.
Reason: Q.850;cause=16;text="NORMAL_CLEARING".
Content-Length: 0.
.

  It's bizarre because the re-INVITE never gets transmitted to the
other leg and FreeSWITCH responds with an SDP that only supports
RFC2833.  Here is the FreeSWITCH level 7 log:

2009-10-20 20:54:15.577191 [NOTICE] switch_channel.c:613 New Channel
sofia/s2s/+19412848...@65.196.170.129
[ba5b3890-bdba-11de-b004-d7a35c351f6f]
2009-10-20 20:54:15.577191 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:306
(sofia/s2s/+19412848...@65.196.170.129) Running State Change CS_NEW
2009-10-20 20:54:15.577191 [DEBUG] sofia.c:3493 Channel
sofia/s2s/+19412848...@65.196.170.129 entering state [received][100]
2009-10-20 20:54:15.577191 [DEBUG] sofia.c:3500 Remote SDP:
v=0
o=Sonus_UAC 7412556365376427063 4600708733824463060 IN IP4 65.196.170.129
s=SIP Media Capabilities
c=IN IP4 4.55.0.130
t=0 0
m=audio 26636 RTP/AVP 0 8 18 101
a=rtpmap:0 PCMU/8000
a=rtpmap:8 PCMA/8000
a=rtpmap:18 G729/8000
a=fmtp:18 annexb=no
a=rtpmap:101 telephone-event/8000
a=fmtp:101 0-15
a=maxptime:20

2009-10-20 20:54:15.577191 [DEBUG] switch_core_state_machine.c:312
(sofia/s2s/+19412848...@65.196.170.129) State NEW
2009-10-20 20:54:15.577191 [DEBUG] sofia.c:3615
(sofia/s2s/+19412848...@65.196.1