Re: [FRIAM] [SUSPICIOUS EMAIL] Re: Android Choice

[Chris Feola]

Hi Owen,

Glad to help. Short answer: Buy an iPhone.

Longer answer: When people ask me what phone to buy, I ask one simple question: 
Are you married to iTunes? Do you have a playlist for every mood? Have you 
spent years getting it to work just right?

If so, buy an iPhone. You will be massively unhappy otherwise. To a lesser 
extent, if you are married to the Apple ecosystem -- iCal and such -- this also 
applies. Modern smartphones are becoming the sharp point of your digital life; 
one that doesn't fit will drive you mad.

If you are not married to the Apple ecosystem, then try out a few phones side 
by side and see what you like. Frankly, they are all "good enough." I find the 
current real differentiator to be the screens.  Here, Android has the lead, and 
it is widening. (Sorry for the pun!) State of the art here is the new -- and 
for the moment, insane appearing -- Galaxy Nexus Prime, with a full HD 720 
screen -- !! -- that's just over 4.6 inches. What appears to be happening here, 
btb, is that Apple is betting heavily on larger tablets, and Google is trying 
to find out if a phone can have a screen big enough -- while the device remains 
small enough -- that you don't want a tablet.

So, specific advice. It sounds like you are in the Apple eco-system. If so, buy 
an iPhone. If your 2 is dead dead, buy a 4s; its a very nice device.  If your 2 
can be coaxed through another year, wait for the iPhone 5. Rumor has it that 
this will be the last Jobs designed phone, and that it will finally have a 
bigger screen.

If you are not married into the Apple eco-system, I would definitely give the 
dual core Android phones a look. My advice is to focus on either the HTC 
phones, or the Google Nexus line. The Nexus line are "Google Experience" 
phones; they get every Android release first. HTC is also good about this, and 
makes solid equipment. Take a look at the Sensation if for nothing else than 
the manufacturing: instead of a battery cover, the entire back is a single 
milled piece -- aluminum, IIRC -- that pops off the screen. You could drive 
nails with the thing, and its beautiful. (To be clear, Do Not Drive Nails With 
Your Phone.)

Carriers:
Verizon-Stupid expensive. Good service and coverage.
ATT-Stupid expensive. Bad service and coverage
Sprint-They suck so bad we won't use them
T-Mobile-Great plans! We have multi-line T-Mobile plans that cost less than 
single lines on ATT and Verizon. Good data tiers. Great Android phone 
selection. Pretty easy to get the phones unlocked to swap out SIMs for 
international roaming. Alas, no iPhone.

Hope I haven't overexplained as usual...

cjf

From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [friam-boun...@redfish.com] on behalf of Owen 
Densmore [o...@backspaces.net]
Sent: Monday, October 31, 2011 7:18 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [SUSPICIOUS EMAIL] Re: Android Choice

Please keep firing questions as you think of them!

God, what an offer!  Thanks!

History: I bought the initial iPhone 2G, first by trying ATT, which failed due 
to lack of coverage (and poor service reports) so I bought one on-line and use 
pwnage tool to jailbreak/unlock for TMo and european travel.  It just died 
(after 4 years!).  I rather like the iDevice ecology, having macbooks, macmini, 
ipad, ipod etc, and have an app that is not yet on android but has a poor 
replacement on android.  I like that the apps span ipad/pod/phone too.  I'm not 
a power user, but use phone, web, mail, music, apps, maps, angry birds, ... at 
least once a day, no more than an hour, I'd say.

I like TMo quite a bit, but am willing to try Vzn, less so ATT .. they still 
have poor coverage where I live (Santa Fe).  I find that the plans my friends 
have are impossibly expensive, > $90/mo, .. while I pay $58/mo.  There are some 
interesting alternatives such as buy unlocked and use prepaid plans, but this 
mainly makes sense on GSM, which here means TMo.  Even with Vzn, I would prefer 
a "world phone", thus GSM (Italy 1-2 months/yr).  Main negative for TMo is AWS 
rather than the more standard 3G etc, and would eliminate iPhone unless Edge 
was good enough, which I haven't found to be the case.  I've looked at a lot of 
alternatives: MVNOs, WiFi "carriers", prepaid, Senior plans (I'm 69) and even 
cheaper phones + iPod.

If I had my choice, I'd buy an unlocked iPhone, 4 or 4s, and use it on ... hmm, 
ATT, no, lousy coverage, TMo, no, uses non-compatible broadband.  Well what's 
left?

1 - See if the Vzn iPhone 4s is OK, get the european SIM unlock, and see if I 
can avoid $90/mo bills.

2 - Suck it up, embrace android, and go with TMo.  They seem to have OK phones. 
 They have brilliant plans, both contract and pre-payed.  And are way less than 
$90/mo.  They've saved my skin more than once with problems traveling.

3 - Buy a prepaid GoPhone ATT SIM and try it on unlocked phone to see if 
coverage has improved.  Then try ATT + iPhone and see if I 

Re: [FRIAM] [SUSPICIOUS EMAIL] Re: Android Choice

[Owen Densmore]

Brilliant!  Just what I needed, thanks!  If I'm wedded to anything in the
apple world, its unix and programming and command line.  iTunes is just a
fairly reasonable interface to manage phone/pad/pod.  I don't need it for
music/video/books etc, there are fine alternatives. Quite willing to give
it up and start really using my google ecology: calendar, mail, contacts
etc.

We have Vzn & TMo near to each other so I'm going to eliminate ATT, and
focus my Android attention on TMo as a carrier, and iPhone via Vzn with
their world-phone iPhone.  I'd like to wait for a larger screen iPhone but
as for my 2G, Its Dead Jim!  No worries.  Glad to see we agree on TMo.
 Damn I wish they had not gone the AWS route.

-- Owen

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Chris Feola  wrote:

>  Hi Owen,
>
>  Glad to help. Short answer: Buy an iPhone.
>
>  Longer answer: When people ask me what phone to buy, I ask one simple
> question: Are you married to iTunes? Do you have a playlist for every mood?
> Have you spent years getting it to work just right?
>
>  If so, buy an iPhone. You will be massively unhappy otherwise. To a
> lesser extent, if you are married to the Apple ecosystem -- iCal and such
> -- this also applies. Modern smartphones are becoming the sharp point of
> your digital life; one that doesn't fit will drive you mad.
>
>  If you are not married to the Apple ecosystem, then try out a few phones
> side by side and see what you like. Frankly, they are all "good enough." I
> find the current real differentiator to be the screens.  Here, Android has
> the lead, and it is widening. (Sorry for the pun!) State of the art here is
> the new -- and for the moment, insane appearing -- Galaxy Nexus Prime, with
> a full HD 720 screen -- !! -- that's just over 4.6 inches. What appears to
> be happening here, btb, is that Apple is betting heavily on larger tablets,
> and Google is trying to find out if a phone can have a screen big enough --
> while the device remains small enough -- that you don't want a tablet.
>
>  So, specific advice. It sounds like you are in the Apple eco-system. If
> so, buy an iPhone. If your 2 is dead dead, buy a 4s; its a very nice
> device.  If your 2 can be coaxed through another year, wait for the iPhone
> 5. Rumor has it that this will be the last Jobs designed phone, and that it
> will finally have a bigger screen.
>
>  If you are not married into the Apple eco-system, I would definitely
> give the dual core Android phones a look. My advice is to focus on either
> the HTC phones, or the Google Nexus line. The Nexus line are "Google
> Experience" phones; they get every Android release first. HTC is also good
> about this, and makes solid equipment. Take a look at the Sensation if for
> nothing else than the manufacturing: instead of a battery cover, the entire
> back is a single milled piece -- aluminum, IIRC -- that pops off the
> screen. You could drive nails with the thing, and its beautiful. (To be
> clear, Do Not Drive Nails With Your Phone.)
>
>  Carriers:
> Verizon-Stupid expensive. Good service and coverage.
> ATT-Stupid expensive. Bad service and coverage
> Sprint-They suck so bad we won't use them
> T-Mobile-Great plans! We have multi-line T-Mobile plans that cost less
> than single lines on ATT and Verizon. Good data tiers. Great Android phone
> selection. Pretty easy to get the phones unlocked to swap out SIMs for
> international roaming. Alas, no iPhone.
>
>  Hope I haven't overexplained as usual...
>
>  cjf
>  --
> *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [friam-boun...@redfish.com] on behalf
> of Owen Densmore [o...@backspaces.net]
> *Sent:* Monday, October 31, 2011 7:18 PM
>
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [SUSPICIOUS EMAIL] Re: Android Choice
>
>   Please keep firing questions as you think of them!
>
>
>  God, what an offer!  Thanks!
>
>  History: I bought the initial iPhone 2G, first by trying ATT, which
> failed due to lack of coverage (and poor service reports) so I bought one
> on-line and use pwnage tool to jailbreak/unlock for TMo and european
> travel.  It just died (after 4 years!).  I rather like the iDevice ecology,
> having macbooks, macmini, ipad, ipod etc, and have an app that is not yet
> on android but has a poor replacement on android.  I like that the apps
> span ipad/pod/phone too.  I'm not a power user, but use phone, web, mail,
> music, apps, maps, angry birds, ... at least once a day, no more than an
> hour, I'd say.
>
>  I like TMo quite a bit, but am willing to try Vzn, less so ATT .. they
> still have poor coverage where I live (Santa Fe).  I find that the plans my
> friends have are impossibly expensive, > $90/mo, .. while I pay $58/mo.
>  There are some interesting alternatives such as buy unlocked and use
> prepaid plans, but this mainly makes sense on GSM, which here means TMo.
>  Even with Vzn, I would prefer a "world phone", thus GSM (Italy 1-2
> months/yr).  Main negative for

Re: [FRIAM] [SUSPICIOUS EMAIL] Re: Android Choice

[Chris Feola]

In that case, one more word in praise of the Google ecosystem, which people 
don't tend to think of as such. Until iOS 5, iPhones were largely ancillaries 
to your desktop -- you needed to cable up regularly to synch with iTunes to do 
stuff. For better or for worse, Google is pushing deep into the cloud space. Go 
to the Android Market; pick an app. The Market knows which of my devices are 
compatible and cloud installs; the next time I use that device its just there. 
The phone backup is seamless and wireless; when I upgrade my games are not only 
installed, I'm on the same levels! But, as Apple has proved, its the little 
things that often count most. If you use Chrome, you have The. Same. Bookmarks. 
Everywhere. Yes, I realize there are bookmark sync tools/social tools/etc. 
This, however, is seamless. If I'm working on something like the BlackBerry SDK 
-- don't ask -- and find a good reference, I drag it to my toolbar, and that's 
exactly where it is every time. On my desktop. On my laptop. On my tablet. 
(Honeycomb or better.) On my phone. (Ice Cream Sandwich.) When I'm done with 
it, delete it/file it/what ever. Changes how you use things, for sure.

cjf

From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [friam-boun...@redfish.com] on behalf of Owen 
Densmore [o...@backspaces.net]
Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 11:43 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [SUSPICIOUS EMAIL] Re: Android Choice

Brilliant!  Just what I needed, thanks!  If I'm wedded to anything in the apple 
world, its unix and programming and command line.  iTunes is just a fairly 
reasonable interface to manage phone/pad/pod.  I don't need it for 
music/video/books etc, there are fine alternatives. Quite willing to give it up 
and start really using my google ecology: calendar, mail, contacts etc.

We have Vzn & TMo near to each other so I'm going to eliminate ATT, and focus 
my Android attention on TMo as a carrier, and iPhone via Vzn with their 
world-phone iPhone.  I'd like to wait for a larger screen iPhone but as for my 
2G, Its Dead Jim!  No worries.  Glad to see we agree on TMo.  Damn I wish they 
had not gone the AWS route.

-- Owen

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Chris Feola 
mailto:ch...@nextpression.com>> wrote:
Hi Owen,

Glad to help. Short answer: Buy an iPhone.

Longer answer: When people ask me what phone to buy, I ask one simple question: 
Are you married to iTunes? Do you have a playlist for every mood? Have you 
spent years getting it to work just right?

If so, buy an iPhone. You will be massively unhappy otherwise. To a lesser 
extent, if you are married to the Apple ecosystem -- iCal and such -- this also 
applies. Modern smartphones are becoming the sharp point of your digital life; 
one that doesn't fit will drive you mad.

If you are not married to the Apple ecosystem, then try out a few phones side 
by side and see what you like. Frankly, they are all "good enough." I find the 
current real differentiator to be the screens.  Here, Android has the lead, and 
it is widening. (Sorry for the pun!) State of the art here is the new -- and 
for the moment, insane appearing -- Galaxy Nexus Prime, with a full HD 720 
screen -- !! -- that's just over 4.6 inches. What appears to be happening here, 
btb, is that Apple is betting heavily on larger tablets, and Google is trying 
to find out if a phone can have a screen big enough -- while the device remains 
small enough -- that you don't want a tablet.

So, specific advice. It sounds like you are in the Apple eco-system. If so, buy 
an iPhone. If your 2 is dead dead, buy a 4s; its a very nice device.  If your 2 
can be coaxed through another year, wait for the iPhone 5. Rumor has it that 
this will be the last Jobs designed phone, and that it will finally have a 
bigger screen.

If you are not married into the Apple eco-system, I would definitely give the 
dual core Android phones a look. My advice is to focus on either the HTC 
phones, or the Google Nexus line. The Nexus line are "Google Experience" 
phones; they get every Android release first. HTC is also good about this, and 
makes solid equipment. Take a look at the Sensation if for nothing else than 
the manufacturing: instead of a battery cover, the entire back is a single 
milled piece -- aluminum, IIRC -- that pops off the screen. You could drive 
nails with the thing, and its beautiful. (To be clear, Do Not Drive Nails With 
Your Phone.)

Carriers:
Verizon-Stupid expensive. Good service and coverage.
ATT-Stupid expensive. Bad service and coverage
Sprint-They suck so bad we won't use them
T-Mobile-Great plans! We have multi-line T-Mobile plans that cost less than 
single lines on ATT and Verizon. Good data tiers. Great Android phone 
selection. Pretty easy to get the phones unlocked to swap out SIMs for 
international roaming. Alas, no iPhone.

Hope I haven't overexplained as usual...

cjf

From: friam-boun...@redf

[FRIAM] Mendeley

[Russ Abbott]

I just posted this to my Google+ stream.

I don't want to be a shill for a private service (but I guess I'm going to
be anyway), but this system [Mendeley ] seems
quite impressive. It parses PDFs (and other documents) you drop into it and
builds a bibliography for you. It provides a way to annotate the
bibliography. I think it also lets you annotate pdf files. It doesn't get
them all right, but what it does looks very useful. Besides, it's free. It
claims to synchronize across computers besides making your papers
accessible through any browser. I don't know if that means downloading to
all the synched computers as Dropbox does.

It apparently has investors (see their about us page:
http://www.mendeley.com/about-us/) but it's not clear what their business
model is. So far, I haven't seen any ads except for themselves. They do
apparently sell a "pro" version. The free version has 1GB of storage.

Anyone know any more about it?

*-- Russ Abbott*
*_*
***  Professor, Computer Science*
*  California State University, Los Angeles*

*  Google voice: 747-*999-5105
  Google+: https://plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/
*  vita:  *http://sites.google.com/site/russabbott/
*_*

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[FRIAM] Syncing between devices...why? [was Android Choice]

[ERIC P. CHARLES]

To deviate a touch, and head a bit back towards a past thread... how many of us
are there left who use their different devices for different purposes?

I like that my computer at work has totally different bookmarks than my laptop,
which has totally different bookmarks than my cell phone... because I use them
for different things. Sometimes I even have my laptop sitting out next to my
desktop at work so that I can do different tasks on a computer that I have set
up to do those tasks. I would think having all my digital devices that much
alike (the same programs, the same features, the same settings, etc., etc.,
etc.) would make you wonder why you have so many devices. 

Any thoughts from the other side of the (digital) ecological divide?

Eric

On Tue, Nov  1, 2011 01:26 PM, Chris Feola  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>>In that case, one more word in praise of the Google ecosystem, which people
don't tend to think of as such. Until iOS 5, iPhones were largely ancillaries
to your desktop -- you
> needed to cable up regularly to synch with iTunes to do stuff. For better or
for worse, Google is pushing deep into the cloud space. Go to the Android
Market; pick an app. The Market knows which of my devices are compatible and
cloud installs; the next time
> I use that device its just there. The phone backup is seamless and wireless;
when I upgrade my games are not only installed, I'm on the same levels! But, as
Apple has proved, its the little things that often count most. If you use
Chrome, you have The. Same.
> Bookmarks. Everywhere. Yes, I realize there are bookmark sync tools/social
tools/etc. This, however, is seamless. If I'm working on something like the
BlackBerry SDK -- don't ask -- and find a good reference, I drag it to my
toolbar, and that's exactly where
> it is every time. On my desktop. On my laptop. On my tablet. (Honeycomb or
better.) On my phone. (Ice Cream Sandwich.) When I'm done with it, delete
it/file it/what ever. Changes how you use things, for sure.
>>
>
>>cjf
>>
>
>>
>From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [friam-boun...@redfish.com] on behalf of Owen
Densmore [o...@backspaces.net]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 01, 2011 11:43 AM
>To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>Subject: Re: [FRIAM] [SUSPICIOUS EMAIL] Re: Android Choice
>
>
>
>>
>>
>Brilliant!  Just what I needed, thanks!  If I'm wedded to anything in the
apple world, its unix and programming and command line.  iTunes is just a
fairly reasonable interface to manage
> phone/pad/pod.  I don't need it for music/video/books etc, there are fine
alternatives. Quite willing to give it up and start really using my google
ecology: calendar, mail, contacts etc.
>>
>
>>
>We have Vzn & TMo near to each other so I'm going to eliminate ATT, and focus
my Android attention on TMo as a carrier, and iPhone via Vzn with their
world-phone iPhone.  I'd like to
> wait for a larger screen iPhone but as for my 2G, Its Dead Jim!  No worries. 
Glad to see we agree on TMo.  Damn I wish they had not gone the AWS route.
>>
>
>>
>-- Owen
>
>>On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Chris Feola 
><<#>> wrote:
>
>>
>>Hi Owen,
>>
>
>>Glad to help. Short answer: Buy an iPhone.
>>
>
>>Longer answer: When people ask me what phone to buy, I ask one simple
question: Are you married to iTunes? Do you have a playlist for every mood?
Have you spent years getting it to work just right?
>>
>
>>If so, buy an iPhone. You will be massively unhappy otherwise. To a lesser
extent, if you are married to the Apple ecosystem -- iCal and such -- this also
applies. Modern smartphones are becoming the sharp point of your digital life;
one that doesn't fit
> will drive you mad.
>>
>
>>If you are not married to the Apple ecosystem, then try out a few phones side
by side and see what you like. Frankly, they are all "good enough." I find the
current real differentiator to be the screens.  Here, Android has the lead, and
it is widening.
> (Sorry for the pun!) State of the art here is the new -- and for the moment,
insane appearing -- Galaxy Nexus Prime, with a full HD 720 screen -- !! --
that's just over 4.6 inches. What appears to be happening here, btb, is that
Apple is betting heavily on
> larger tablets, and Google is trying to find out if a phone can have a screen
big enough -- while the device remains small enough -- that you don't want a
tablet.
>>
>
>>So, specific advice. It sounds like you are in the Apple eco-system. If so,
buy an iPhone. If your 2 is dead dead, buy a 4s; its a very nice device.  If
your 2 can be coaxed through another year, wait for the iPhone 5. Rumor has it
that this will be the
> last Jobs designed phone, and that it will finally have a bigger screen.
>>
>
>>If you are not married into the Apple eco-system, I would definitely give the
dual core Android phones a look. My advice is to focus on either the HTC
phones, or the Google Nexus line. The Nexus line are "Google Experience"
phones; they get every Android
> release first. HTC is also good about this, and makes solid e

Re: [FRIAM] Syncing between devices...why? [was Android Choice]

[glen]

Not only do I have different uses for different devices, like you I also
have different uses for multiple instances of the same device, and
multiple uses for the same instance of a device!

My current experiment consists of 3 Google+ identities: 1) work, 2)
personal, 3) brewing.  Google's stupid "real name" policy makes it
interesting because I get people who intend to follow my work
personality will put my brewing personality in their circles.  Then I'll
follow them back with my work personality.  The experiment is a partial
success.  I'm getting better at switching my phone's personality to
match what I'm doing at the time.

It's long baffled me why people use their personal e-mails for business
comm (cf.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_e-mail_controversy) or
work e-mails for personal business.  I screw up once in awhile and do
that by accident, but by and large, my person is split.  I'm thinking
about trying to get 3 Google Voice numbers for my 3 personalities,
though I don't know if they'd like that.

Having said all that, I do find it very tempting to treat the phone the
same way I treat my computers.  Namely, it would be nice to have
different logins for different purposes on the phone just like I do for
my computers.  But I'm certainly _not_ tempted to use my AppleTV like my
Mini, my phone like my playstation, or my server like my laptop. [grin]

ERIC P. CHARLES wrote circa 11-11-01 11:05 AM:
> To deviate a touch, and head a bit back towards a past thread... how
> many of us are there left who use their different devices for different
> purposes?
> 
> I like that my computer at work has totally different bookmarks than my
> laptop, which has totally different bookmarks than my cell phone...
> because I use them for different things. Sometimes I even have my laptop
> sitting out next to my desktop at work so that I can do different tasks
> on a computer that I have set up to do those tasks. I would think having
> all my digital devices that much alike (the same programs, the same
> features, the same settings, etc., etc., etc.) would make you wonder why
> you have so many devices.
> 
> Any thoughts from the other side of the (digital) ecological divide?

-- 
glen


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Re: [FRIAM] Syncing between devices...why? [was Android Choice]

[Robert Holmes]

Errr yes, that is a *really* good question.

Why *do* you have so many devices? Why do any of us? Do they make us
happier?

—R

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 12:05 PM, ERIC P. CHARLES  wrote:

> To deviate a touch, and head a bit back towards a past thread... how many
> of us are there left who use their different devices for different purposes?
>
> I like that my computer at work has totally different bookmarks than my
> laptop, which has totally different bookmarks than my cell phone... because
> I use them for different things. Sometimes I even have my laptop sitting
> out next to my desktop at work so that I can do different tasks on a
> computer that I have set up to do those tasks. I would think having all my
> digital devices that much alike (the same programs, the same features, the
> same settings, etc., etc., etc.) would make you wonder why you have so many
> devices.
>
> Any thoughts from the other side of the (digital) ecological divide?
>
> Eric
>
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 01:26 PM, *Chris Feola *wrote:
>
>  In that case, one more word in praise of the Google ecosystem, which
> people don't tend to think of as such. Until iOS 5, iPhones were
> largely ancillaries to your desktop -- you needed to cable up regularly to
> synch with iTunes to do stuff. For better or for worse, Google is pushing
> deep into the cloud space. Go to the Android Market; pick an app. The
> Market knows which of my devices are compatible and cloud installs; the
> next time I use that device its just there. The phone backup is seamless
> and wireless; when I upgrade my games are not only installed, I'm on the
> same levels! But, as Apple has proved, its the little things that often
> count most. If you use Chrome, you have The. Same. Bookmarks. Everywhere.
> Yes, I realize there are bookmark sync tools/social tools/etc. This,
> however, is seamless. If I'm working on something like the BlackBerry SDK
> -- don't ask -- and find a good reference, I drag it to my toolbar, and
> that's exactly where it is every time. On my desktop. On my laptop. On my
> tablet. (Honeycomb or better.) On my phone. (Ice Cream Sandwich.) When I'm
> done with it, delete it/file it/what ever. Changes how you use things, for
> sure.
>
> cjf
> --
>  *From:* friam-boun...@redfish.com [friam-boun...@redfish.com] on behalf
> of Owen Densmore [o...@backspaces.net]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, November 01, 2011 11:43 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] [SUSPICIOUS EMAIL] Re: Android Choice
>
>   Brilliant!  Just what I needed, thanks!  If I'm wedded to anything in
> the apple world, its unix and programming and command line.  iTunes is just
> a fairly reasonable interface to manage phone/pad/pod.  I don't need it for
> music/video/books etc, there are fine alternatives. Quite willing to give
> it up and start really using my google ecology: calendar, mail, contacts
> etc.
>
>  We have Vzn & TMo near to each other so I'm going to eliminate ATT, and
> focus my Android attention on TMo as a carrier, and iPhone via Vzn with
> their world-phone iPhone.  I'd like to wait for a larger screen iPhone but
> as for my 2G, Its Dead Jim!  No worries.  Glad to see we agree on TMo.
>  Damn I wish they had not gone the AWS route.
>
>  -- Owen
>
> On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 10:27 AM, Chris Feola 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>>  Hi Owen,
>>
>> Glad to help. Short answer: Buy an iPhone.
>>
>> Longer answer: When people ask me what phone to buy, I ask one simple
>> question: Are you married to iTunes? Do you have a playlist for every mood?
>> Have you spent years getting it to work just right?
>>
>> If so, buy an iPhone. You will be massively unhappy otherwise. To a
>> lesser extent, if you are married to the Apple ecosystem -- iCal and such
>> -- this also applies. Modern smartphones are becoming the sharp point of
>> your digital life; one that doesn't fit will drive you mad.
>>
>> If you are not married to the Apple ecosystem, then try out a few phones
>> side by side and see what you like. Frankly, they are all "good enough." I
>> find the current real differentiator to be the screens.  Here, Android has
>> the lead, and it is widening. (Sorry for the pun!) State of the art here is
>> the new -- and for the moment, insane appearing -- Galaxy Nexus Prime, with
>> a full HD 720 screen -- !! -- that's just over 4.6 inches. What appears to
>> be happening here, btb, is that Apple is betting heavily on larger tablets,
>> and Google is trying to find out if a phone can have a screen big enough --
>> while the device remains small enough -- that you don't want a tablet.
>>
>> So, specific advice. It sounds like you are in the Apple eco-system. If
>> so, buy an iPhone. If your 2 is dead dead, buy a 4s; its a very nice
>> device.  If your 2 can be coaxed through another year, wait for the iPhone
>> 5. Rumor has it that this will be the last Jobs designed phone, and that it
>> will finally have a bigger screen.
>>
>> If you a

Re: [FRIAM] Syncing between devices...why? [was Android Choice]

[gepr (d2g)]

I think it derives from extended physiology.  There is a spectrum on which we 
all fall between internal <-> external.  Those of us whose lives are invested 
externally have/make lots of stuff.  Those of us invested internally have/make 
a minimum of stuff.  Interesting orthogonal axes are make vs nomake and act vs 
noact.  I've always been fascinated by those who make stuff then give it away 
or abandon it.  I've tried and regretted it.  I still long for my litte artbot 
I foolishly gave to some random bartender.


Robert Holmes  wrote:

>Errr yes, that is a *really* good question.
>
>Why *do* you have so many devices? Why do any of us? Do they make us
>happier?

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Re: [FRIAM] Mendeley

[Russell Standish]

Big question - does it do BibTeX?

BTW - I often use Google Scholar to populate my BibTeX database.

Cheers

On Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 10:55:26AM -0700, Russ Abbott wrote:
> I just posted this to my Google+ stream.
> 
> I don't want to be a shill for a private service (but I guess I'm going to
> be anyway), but this system [Mendeley ] seems
> quite impressive. It parses PDFs (and other documents) you drop into it and
> builds a bibliography for you. It provides a way to annotate the
> bibliography. I think it also lets you annotate pdf files. It doesn't get
> them all right, but what it does looks very useful. Besides, it's free. It
> claims to synchronize across computers besides making your papers
> accessible through any browser. I don't know if that means downloading to
> all the synched computers as Dropbox does.
> 
> It apparently has investors (see their about us page:
> http://www.mendeley.com/about-us/) but it's not clear what their business
> model is. So far, I haven't seen any ads except for themselves. They do
> apparently sell a "pro" version. The free version has 1GB of storage.
> 
> Anyone know any more about it?
> 
> *-- Russ Abbott*
> *_*
> ***  Professor, Computer Science*
> *  California State University, Los Angeles*
> 
> *  Google voice: 747-*999-5105
>   Google+: https://plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/
> *  vita:  *http://sites.google.com/site/russabbott/
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[FRIAM] Google+

[Douglas Roberts]

Google finally got around to making google+ available as an app to those of
us who manage our own domains, but who use google mail servers for them.
 Google+ may be dead or dying by now, as many trial users have migrated
back to facebook.  Still, I thought I'd give it a whirl, as a couple of you
have probably noticed.

--Doug

-- 
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Re: [FRIAM] Google+

[Owen Densmore]

I like G+ OK, seems less gaudy than FB, like the Circles idea.

When you mention "an app to those of us who manage our own domains", does
that mean Google Apps?  I manage my own domain, but am told I can't just
point my MX record to Gmail, I have to have a special Google account.
 (Currently I just forward to Gmail from my hosting service but I'd much
prefer pointing MX to Gmail.) GA seems odd, but maybe its just me.

-- Owen

On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 5:12 PM, Douglas Roberts wrote:

> Google finally got around to making google+ available as an app to those
> of us who manage our own domains, but who use google mail servers for them.
>  Google+ may be dead or dying by now, as many trial users have migrated
> back to facebook.  Still, I thought I'd give it a whirl, as a couple of you
> have probably noticed.
>
> --Doug
>
> --
> Doug Roberts
> drobe...@rti.org
> d...@parrot-farm.net
> http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins
> 
> 505-455-7333 - Office
> 505-670-8195 - Cell
>
>
> 
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>

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Re: [FRIAM] Mendeley

[Russ Abbott]

Apparently not yet. See
http://feedback.mendeley.com/forums/4941-mendeley-feedback/suggestions/80936-latex-integration-in-mendeley-desktop

*-- Russ *



On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Russell Standish wrote:

> Big question - does it do BibTeX?
>
> BTW - I often use Google Scholar to populate my BibTeX database.
>
> Cheers
>
> On Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 10:55:26AM -0700, Russ Abbott wrote:
> > I just posted this to my Google+ stream.
> >
> > I don't want to be a shill for a private service (but I guess I'm going
> to
> > be anyway), but this system [Mendeley ] seems
> > quite impressive. It parses PDFs (and other documents) you drop into it
> and
> > builds a bibliography for you. It provides a way to annotate the
> > bibliography. I think it also lets you annotate pdf files. It doesn't get
> > them all right, but what it does looks very useful. Besides, it's free.
> It
> > claims to synchronize across computers besides making your papers
> > accessible through any browser. I don't know if that means downloading to
> > all the synched computers as Dropbox does.
> >
> > It apparently has investors (see their about us page:
> > http://www.mendeley.com/about-us/) but it's not clear what their
> business
> > model is. So far, I haven't seen any ads except for themselves. They do
> > apparently sell a "pro" version. The free version has 1GB of storage.
> >
> > Anyone know any more about it?
> >
> > *-- Russ Abbott*
> > *_*
> > ***  Professor, Computer Science*
> > *  California State University, Los Angeles*
> >
> > *  Google voice: 747-*999-5105
> >   Google+: https://plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/
> > *  vita:  *http://sites.google.com/site/russabbott/
> > *_*
>
> > 
> > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>
>
> --
>
>
> 
> Prof Russell Standish  Phone 0425 253119 (mobile)
> Principal, High Performance Coders
> Visiting Professor of Mathematics  hpco...@hpcoders.com.au
> University of New South Wales  http://www.hpcoders.com.au
>
> 
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[FRIAM] Verizon Wireless & Privacy

[Richard Lowenberg]

For those interested in Verizon Wireless:

“In mid-October, Verizon Wireless changed its privacy policy
to allow the company to record customers' location data and
Web browsing history, combine it with other personal information
like age and gender, aggregate it with millions of other
customers' data, and sell it on an anonymous basis.
Verizon is the first mobile provider to publicly confirm that
it is actually selling information gleaned from its customers
directly to businesses.”

CNNMoney
http://money.cnn.com/2011/11/01/technology/verizon_att_sprint_tmobile_privacy/index.htm




--
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1st-Mile Institute
Box 8001, Santa Fe, NM 87504
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Re: [FRIAM] Mendeley

[Brent Auble]

I'm a fan of Mendeley.  For me it solves a few problems that the other 
reference tools I've used don't do as well.  


First it reads through PDF files on my hard drive and does its best to identify 
the article.  Given that I've got something on the order of 25,000 PDFs (yes, I 
do collect too much...), most of which I haven't tracked citation info for, 
that's a huge help.  It certainly isn't perfect, and sometimes it comes up with 
some really screwy info, but it's still faster than me doing everything 
manually.

Second, it stores everything both on my computer in their desktop application 
and on the web, so I can get to it from anywhere and add to my library from any 
computer.

Third, it can export to basically any citation style.

Fourth, it syncs with CiteULike and Zotero (two other reference tools I've 
used), so I can use whatever's handiest (Zotero is great for a lot of publisher 
sites and CiteULike works well for many of the ones Zotero doesn't).

I presume it does export to BibTeX, although I haven't tried it myself.  The 
link below actually says it's completed and the feature list says it does, but 
the recent comments seem to indicate that it doesn't do everything people would 
like.  I'd recommend testing it out to see if it does what you need.

It looks like they make their money through charging fees for PDF storage above 
500MB/1GB, and probably some other ways.  I've only uploaded a few files -- it 
isn't a requirement to upload files in order to use the service for tracking 
meta-data about references.

Brent





From: Russ Abbott 
To: russ.abb...@gmail.com; The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 

Sent: Tuesday, November 1, 2011 8:11 PM
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Mendeley


Apparently not yet. 
See http://feedback.mendeley.com/forums/4941-mendeley-feedback/suggestions/80936-latex-integration-in-mendeley-desktop

 
-- Russ 



On Tue, Nov 1, 2011 at 2:21 PM, Russell Standish  wrote:

Big question - does it do BibTeX?
>
>BTW - I often use Google Scholar to populate my BibTeX database.
>
>Cheers
>
>On Tue, Nov 01, 2011 at 10:55:26AM -0700, Russ Abbott wrote:
>> I just posted this to my Google+ stream.
>>
>> I don't want to be a shill for a private service (but I guess I'm going to
>> be anyway), but this system [Mendeley ] seems
>> quite impressive. It parses PDFs (and other documents) you drop into it and
>> builds a bibliography for you. It provides a way to annotate the
>> bibliography. I think it also lets you annotate pdf files. It doesn't get
>> them all right, but what it does looks very useful. Besides, it's free. It
>> claims to synchronize across computers besides making your papers
>> accessible through any browser. I don't know if that means downloading to
>> all the synched computers as Dropbox does.
>>
>> It apparently has investors (see their about us page:
>> http://www.mendeley.com/about-us/) but it's not clear what their business
>> model is. So far, I haven't seen any ads except for themselves. They do
>> apparently sell a "pro" version. The free version has 1GB of storage.
>>
>> Anyone know any more about it?
>>
>> *-- Russ Abbott*
>> *_*
>> ***  Professor, Computer Science*
>> *  California State University, Los Angeles*
>>
>> *  Google voice: 747-*999-5105
>>   Google+: https://plus.google.com/114865618166480775623/
>> *  vita:  *http://sites.google.com/site/russabbott/
>> *_*
>
>> 
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>
>
>--
>
>
>Prof Russell Standish                  Phone 0425 253119 (mobile)
>Principal, High Performance Coders
>Visiting Professor of Mathematics      hpco...@hpcoders.com.au
>University of New South Wales          http://www.hpcoders.com.au
>
>


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