Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-23 Thread glen
On 07/22/2015 10:47 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote:
 Omigod!  That's already happening.  You really did say, coopete, didn't you?

Whew!  Thanks for catching that.  After I sent it I thought everyone would see 
it as a point mutation of compete.


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Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-23 Thread Steve Smith



Omigod!  That's already happening.  You really did say, coopete, didn't you?

Whew!  Thanks for catching that.  After I sent it I thought everyone would see it as a 
point mutation of compete.
And I imagined a portmanteau neologism for the verb describing the 
action of co-optition






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Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-23 Thread gepr
On Jul 23, 2015 8:03 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote:
 And I imagined a portmanteau neologism for the verb describing the action
of co-optition

Those words are way too big for me!

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Re: [FRIAM] Interesting Link

2015-07-23 Thread Eric Smith
Thank you Merle,

I like Piketty, and I like that book, as well as commentary he has given on 
responses to debt in European history and with respect to Greece today. 

I probably use the word theory in a way that is different than you intend here, 
but that's fine.  How I would use a word is neither important nor interesting 
enough to be worth consuming public bandwidth over. 

All best,

Eric


On Jul 23, 2015, at 2:39 PM, Merle Lefkoff wrote:

 Eric--there HAS been a great advance in economic theory.  Have you read 
 Piketty?  And it's because this dorky guy knows how to make magic with 
 metadata, not because his primitive male brain is more altruistic.  And 
 outlier economist Richard Smith has just published his dynamite book on the 
 end of capitalism as a theory cum ideology.  
 
 On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 4:37 PM, David Eric Smith desm...@santafe.edu wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 I was going to try to write something brief that avoided ideological 
 questions (which I have no wish to get involved in on email threads), and 
 said something I hoped would be useful that follows from being careful about 
 consequences of mechanism.  But it looks like it turned into a TLDR.  Rather 
 than just dump it, I guess I will send with the TLDR caveat.
 
 I do think that there is an interesting economics to be thought about here, 
 and I don't know how much of it is being done.  It seems to me to bear on 
 questions of economic theory that are poorly developed.  It would be nice if 
 the resurrection of disputes about regulatory mechanism and goals, raised by 
 bitcoin et al., were a gateway into a conceptual advance in economic theory.
 
 Anyway...
 
 
 0. Let me not talk about digital currencies in general, because they can 
 have different properties that matter.  Let me instead refer to bitcoin, 
 because its particular algorithm which designs in limits of supply-rate is 
 the starting point for the line in I want to take.
 
 0a.  Let me also suppose that the bitcoin algorithm performs as specified, 
 and that it has the cryptographic security features specified.  That permits 
 a discussion of what a specific defined algorithm can or can't do socially.
 
 1. With those assumptions, I think the main mechanistic feature is that 
 bitcoin becomes a kind of not merely digital cash, but more particularly 
 digital gold.  The important mechanistic consequence being that the 
 mechanisms for altering its supply are extremely limited (hoarding by 
 powerful agents), compared to any form of money that has a fiat element, or 
 to any form of credit in variable supply.  Indeed, bitcoin is 
 more-gold-than-gold, in that the supply rate of gold involves unknown 
 factors, such as discovery or extraction innovations, whereas the supply rate 
 of bitcoins follows a defined algorithm.  The power to run cycles of the 
 algorithm may involve unknowns, but they are probably of a slightly more 
 limited range than the power to extract gold.
 
 2. We are, of course, off the gold standard, in part, because governments 
 (and by proxy, societies), have decided they want regulatory flexibility over 
 the money supply that gold makes impossible.  Who decided, why they decided, 
 whether their motives are noble or sinful, is of course another infinite tree 
 of emails, which I will not open because I am a mechanic.
 
 3. HERE AN OPINION: I THINK the reason any digital currency with these 
 properties is appealing is that there are groups within society who either 
 don't like the forms of regulatory control that governments have over other 
 available monies, or they don't like the ways those controls are used.  (This 
 is the way I think mechanism specifies a large part of the available 
 incentives).  For simplicity and brevity, I will lump several other things 
 in with regulation-proper.  Other social forces that come with 
 centrally-controlled monies include the concept of legal tender and taxation 
 (as Gary rightly emphasizes).  I lump these with regulation because they are 
 in a sense the context that makes regulation possible, even though they are 
 different.  We could use off-line currencies (cigarettes, tea, bits of paper 
 with Elvis's unforgeable signature, jade) as money, and if we did, the 
 government's ability to regulate its own currency and thereby influence 
 economic conditions would be diluted or eliminated.  Therefore governments 
 promise to give legal protection to exchanges transacted in their tender, and 
 not to others.  In addition to regulatory control, by directing the economy 
 through their money, they can increase the amount on which they claim taxes 
 owed, and although this is a separate problem of identification and 
 enforcement from regulation, it does depend on the magnitude of trade that 
 goes via the money system.
 
 3a.  I believe there is some overlap in the discourse of those who advocate 
 bitcoin-like digital currencies and those who want to go back onto the gold 
 standard, though the two