Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

2016-10-07 Thread Nick Thompson 
Hi, 

 

I am just catching up with this debate, so forgive me if I am annoyingly 
irrelevant.  

 

I confess I am not much of a fan for privatizing Social Security and medicate, 
which I understand Johnson to be.  I am not a libertarian, but more a 
communitarian, which is why the charter school issue is such tough one for me.  
One the one hand, I believe that intentional education by any neighborhood is 
probably better than education that as seen as inflicted the families of the 
neighborhood, if only because of the placebo effect.  On the other hand, all 
the effort by parents of one school to serve the kids in their school, makes 
the schools uneven in just the way that we cannot tolerate, and is destructive 
of the higher order community.  Does that make me a hierarchical communitarian. 
 Geez.   Some of the best outcomes are produced when the entire meta-community 
pulls together, but unfortunately that seems to require a war.  Anyway, you 
Johnson fans can take comfort in the fact that Professor Dave will box my ears 
soundly when I turn up at Friam in a week.  

 

On a historical matter, I was confused by: 

 

So, anyway, it was up to the House to select the winner, each state delegation 
casting one vote.  Adams benefitted because the underpopulated New England 
States all went to him

 

I would have thought that in 1824, the population of new England states was 
high compared to much larger states such as Ohio, Kentucky, etc.  So, I would 
have thought that they would be UNDER-represented in a state by state poll of 
the House delegations.  John can box my ears on that one.  

 

Looking forward to meeting with the Mother Church next Friday at St. Johns. 

 

NIck

 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

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Thanks for the story!  I was aware, but only barely, in the context free way 
that's so common these days.

 

On 10/05/2016 04:18 PM, John Dobson wrote:

> I assume you guys all know about the only time the election has been thrown 
> into the House.  It was 1824 when there were four candidates who won 
> electoral votes, although Andrew Jackson had a pretty large plurality of the 
> popular vote.  John Quincy Adams bitterly hated Jackson and assumed 
> (Clinton/Bush dynasty-like) that he should be the president because his dad 
> had done such a dynamite job as Washington's successor in 1797.

> 

> So, anyway, it was up to the House to select the winner, each state 
> delegation casting one vote.  Adams benefitted because the underpopulated New 
> England States all went to him and he made what Jacksonians claimed was a 
> "corrupt bargain" with Henry Clay of Kentucky to basically drop out of the 
> race and swing his delegation to Adams.  It worked.  Adams won by a single 
> vote.  Then he named Clay his secretary of state, the very job he was 
> relinquishing and the cabinet office that was most likely to insure that its 
> incumbent would have the inside track for the succeeding presidential 
> election.

> 

> Of course, Jackson came back strong in 1828 winning the first of two terms 
> outright.  Henry Clay continued to run for President as a Whig into the 1840s 
> but never managed to cash in the corrupt bargain for the top spot.  Given 
> this year's candidates, I think any one of the three---Adams, Jackson, or 
> Clay---would be preferable.  

> 

> Even if Gary Johnson managed to "win" New Mexico, it's not clear what the 
> result in the House would be if each state's delegation had a single vote.  I 
> suppose the Republicans; gerrymandering would work in their favor though as 
> there are more "red" states than blue at this point.

> 

> Having a Ph.D. in American history doesn't help me much in doping out current 
> affairs.

 

 

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Re: [FRIAM] Hope?

2016-10-07 Thread ┣glen┫ 
Thanks for the story!  I was aware, but only barely, in the context free way 
that's so common these days.

On 10/05/2016 04:18 PM, John Dobson wrote:
> I assume you guys all know about the only time the election has been thrown 
> into the House.  It was 1824 when there were four candidates who won 
> electoral votes, although Andrew Jackson had a pretty large plurality of the 
> popular vote.  John Quincy Adams bitterly hated Jackson and assumed 
> (Clinton/Bush dynasty-like) that he should be the president because his dad 
> had done such a dynamite job as Washington's successor in 1797.
> 
> So, anyway, it was up to the House to select the winner, each state 
> delegation casting one vote.  Adams benefitted because the underpopulated New 
> England States all went to him and he made what Jacksonians claimed was a 
> "corrupt bargain" with Henry Clay of Kentucky to basically drop out of the 
> race and swing his delegation to Adams.  It worked.  Adams won by a single 
> vote.  Then he named Clay his secretary of state, the very job he was 
> relinquishing and the cabinet office that was most likely to insure that its 
> incumbent would have the inside track for the succeeding presidential 
> election.
> 
> Of course, Jackson came back strong in 1828 winning the first of two terms 
> outright.  Henry Clay continued to run for President as a Whig into the 1840s 
> but never managed to cash in the corrupt bargain for the top spot.  Given 
> this year's candidates, I think any one of the three---Adams, Jackson, or 
> Clay---would be preferable.  
> 
> Even if Gary Johnson managed to "win" New Mexico, it's not clear what the 
> result in the House would be if each state's delegation had a single vote.  I 
> suppose the Republicans; gerrymandering would work in their favor though as 
> there are more "red" states than blue at this point.
> 
> Having a Ph.D. in American history doesn't help me much in doping out current 
> affairs.


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2016-10-07 Thread Tom Johnson 
http://www.vox.com/science-and-health/2016/9/30/13077658/statcheck-psychology-replication

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