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[Frank Wimberly]

The summer hours are posted as M-F 8:00 to 5:00.  Yesterday must have been
an exception.

Frank

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Frank Wimberly

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My scientific publications:
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Phone (505) 670-9918

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Re: [FRIAM] 15555-10253-closing-a-gap-to-normal-hearing---white-paper.pdf

[Frank Wimberly]

Mike's belief is consistent with what I have learned.   Cochlear implants
are miraculous for those who've never been able to hear but not for
acquired deafness.

Have a good trip.  Things in the reefer won't keep until you get back.

Frank

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Frank Wimberly

My memoir:
https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly

My scientific publications:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2

Phone (505) 670-9918

On Sat, May 25, 2019, 11:59 AM Nick Thompson 
wrote:

> Hi, Frank,
>
>
>
> Mike knows a fair bit about all this stuff.  I think what he says is that,
> for a person who has never been able to hear, cochlear implants are a
> revelation, but for someone who has had normal hearing all his life and now
> has geriatric deficit, they aren’t worth it.
>
>
>
> Ask him.  He has a lot of interesting things to say about hearing, some of
> which I understood.
>
>
>
> We just had our “cleaning out the refrigerator” fight.  It must be about
> 24 hours before flight time.  Time to confirm our reservations.
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank
> Wimberly
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 31, 2019 11:56 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM]
> 1-10253-closing-a-gap-to-normal-hearing---white-paper.pdf
>
>
>
> Nick,
>
>
>
> Have you read about cochlear implant surgery?  When I worked at Eye and
> Ear Hospital of Pittsburgh, the lab I worked in was doing early research in
> the area.  These are pieces of hardware that transform sound into
> electrical signals meaningful to the brain.
>
>
>
> Have you seen the videos of people who have been deaf since birth who get
> such a device.  They inevitably sob when they hear sound for the first time.
>
>
>
> Frank
>
> ---
> Frank Wimberly
>
> My memoir:
> https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly
>
> My scientific publications:
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2
>
> Phone (505) 670-9918
>
>
>
> On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 11:23 AM Nick Thompson 
> wrote:
>
> Hi, Everybody,
>
>
>
> In the home congregation, we have had many interesting conversations about
> hearing in difficult environments, a conversation not only of intense
> interest to people interested in computer analysis and representation of
> sounds but also to a bunch of old guys shouting at each other in a crowded
> college dining area surrounded by hard surfaces.  Recently, we have been
> trying to assemble our limited knowledge of the cochlea and to grasp the
> fact that it is not a bank of discrete resonators doing a Fourier
> Transform, but an innervated sliver of meat with liquid on both sides
> coiled up in a tiny snail shell.   We are eager for any signs that a
> hearing aid company has started to reach beyond differential amplification
> by means of FFT to actually focusing on the cues that really matter for
> speech comprehension.
>
>
>
> Anyway, …. Anyway….. .  I skimmed through the “white paper” below and
> thought that, even though it is “captive” research, it had some interesting
> features.  Consequently, I thought I would pass it around to the list
> before I lost track of it.  My friend Jon Zingale accuses me of crowd
> sourcing my reading and that is EXACTLY what I am doing.  So, beware.
>
>
>
>
> https://wdh.azureedge.net/-/media/oticon-us/main/download-center/white-papers/1-10253-closing-a-gap-to-normal-hearing---white-paper.pdf?la=en&rev=0FC7&hash=B7D7D58F75093770CA7E148F72520C1D6BE28CB1
>
> If anybody on the list knows of somebody doing advanced research on how
> the cochlea passes sound on to the brain and how the brain analyses it, we
> would love to hear from that person.
>
>
>
> And has for you young folks who think this will never happen to you:  have
> you noticed that your students and young associates and your daughter’s
> boyfriends MUMBLE.  The moment you find yourself saying, “Curse these
> millennials, why don’t they speak up like normal people,” you should be
> taking an interest in hearing technology.
>
>
>
> Just sayin’
>
>
>
> N
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] 15555-10253-closing-a-gap-to-normal-hearing---white-paper.pdf

[Nick Thompson]

Hi, Frank, 

 

Mike knows a fair bit about all this stuff.  I think what he says is that, for 
a person who has never been able to hear, cochlear implants are a revelation, 
but for someone who has had normal hearing all his life and now has geriatric 
deficit, they aren’t worth it.  

 

Ask him.  He has a lot of interesting things to say about hearing, some of 
which I understood. 

 

We just had our “cleaning out the refrigerator” fight.  It must be about 24 
hours before flight time.  Time to confirm our reservations. 

 

Nick 

 

 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

  
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Sunday, March 31, 2019 11:56 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] 
1-10253-closing-a-gap-to-normal-hearing---white-paper.pdf

 

Nick,

 

Have you read about cochlear implant surgery?  When I worked at Eye and Ear 
Hospital of Pittsburgh, the lab I worked in was doing early research in the 
area.  These are pieces of hardware that transform sound into electrical 
signals meaningful to the brain.

 

Have you seen the videos of people who have been deaf since birth who get such 
a device.  They inevitably sob when they hear sound for the first time.

 

Frank

---
Frank Wimberly

My memoir:
https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly

My scientific publications:
https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2

Phone (505) 670-9918

 

On Sun, Mar 31, 2019, 11:23 AM Nick Thompson mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

Hi, Everybody, 

 

In the home congregation, we have had many interesting conversations about 
hearing in difficult environments, a conversation not only of intense interest 
to people interested in computer analysis and representation of sounds but also 
to a bunch of old guys shouting at each other in a crowded college dining area 
surrounded by hard surfaces.  Recently, we have been trying to assemble our 
limited knowledge of the cochlea and to grasp the fact that it is not a bank of 
discrete resonators doing a Fourier Transform, but an innervated sliver of meat 
with liquid on both sides coiled up in a tiny snail shell.   We are eager for 
any signs that a hearing aid company has started to reach beyond differential 
amplification by means of FFT to actually focusing on the cues that really 
matter for speech comprehension.

 

Anyway, …. Anyway….. .  I skimmed through the “white paper” below and thought 
that, even though it is “captive” research, it had some interesting features.  
Consequently, I thought I would pass it around to the list before I lost track 
of it.  My friend Jon Zingale accuses me of crowd sourcing my reading and that 
is EXACTLY what I am doing.  So, beware. 

 

https://wdh.azureedge.net/-/media/oticon-us/main/download-center/white-papers/1-10253-closing-a-gap-to-normal-hearing---white-paper.pdf?la=en
 

 &rev=0FC7&hash=B7D7D58F75093770CA7E148F72520C1D6BE28CB1

If anybody on the list knows of somebody doing advanced research on how the 
cochlea passes sound on to the brain and how the brain analyses it, we would 
love to hear from that person.  

 

And has for you young folks who think this will never happen to you:  have you 
noticed that your students and young associates and your daughter’s boyfriends 
MUMBLE.  The moment you find yourself saying, “Curse these millennials, why 
don’t they speak up like normal people,” you should be taking an interest in 
hearing technology. 

 

Just sayin’

 

N 


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