Re: [FRIAM] Mission to Abisko

2020-05-17 Thread Frank Wimberly 
A famous proof that is on God's or god's book:

Thm:. The square root of two is not rational.

Proof:  Assume sqrt(2) = p/q a fraction where p and q have no common
factors.  Square both sides of the equation so
 p*p/q*q = 2.  Therefore p*p = 2*q*q so
p*p is even which means p is even.  So p*p is a multiple of 4.  Therefore
q*q is even which means p and q are both even contradicting the assumption
that p and q have no common factors.  Therefore sqrt(2) is not rational.
QED

Constructivists do not accept proof by contradiction because it depends on
the law of the excluded middle. Is this all correct, Jon?
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On Sun, May 17, 2020, 9:17 PM Prof David West  wrote:

> By John L. Casti and Anders Karlqvist
>
> Casti seems to hail from Santa Fe — anybody know him?
>
> Our conversations involving metaphor and story and science prompted me to
> reread this book over the weekend. I would like to highly recommend it to
> everyone on the list.
>
> The subtitle of the book is "stories and myths in the creation of
> scientific 'truth'."
>
> Jon, Frank and anyone else who identifies as a mathematician will enjoy /
> find interesting the chapter by Ian Steward, "Secret Narratives of
> Mathematics."  From the chapter:
>
> "A proof is a story. Not any old story. It has to take off from the
> hypothesis and end by confirming the conclusion. Not end with the
> conclusion, by the way — any more than a novel is obliged to end with the
> hero and heroine riding off together into the sunset. The story ends when
> the conclusion is firmly pinned down. (This is where you stop and put your
> Halmos symbol.)
>
> If a proof is a story, then a memorable proof must tell a ripping yarn."
>
> Lot's of fun stuff about evolution, computational thinking, algorithmic
> and ascetic storytelling, something for everyone interested in science, how
> science is done, science as communication, science and prediction.
>
> davew
>
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[FRIAM] Medical Anthropology Launches a New Website About Life During COVID-19

2020-05-17 Thread Tom Johnson 
Princeton

The Medical Anthropology course taught by João Biehl (Anthropology) and
Onur Günay (Woodrow Wilson School) has launched a new website which
showcases work by students, critically analyzing the multifaceted medical,
social, and political-economic challenges brought on by the COVID-19
pandemic.

http://r20.rs6.net/tn.jsp?f=001MvyNkmF8R5hIAgaeM7n_TjuByblhaIWtFxu1KPLpDhtdxPTrAyJAg6s55qy6mvPh3MC8yKWoGBXNhcYtF4nDudtX13SaaIGE-sHJLcKB-BIJwpPT9I4YUCc_gT7ZKf9JfhNsFKruW__dmqZ0ch8TBr0KAnqTenQIA-2LHB2mJGuFkqorA8LOrGfpaUNt8n95lBi92RLCt2Nnl50i1itfICxaYVMK0Abydk_-czP8ExZMSOoxBWZ6K2h9-xA8XnGzrxI6SSUf4AnP_BUNHSryvA===JuYMmG0ogXg9rRy9ggOKw_XetF3DpjN2vdgnZ_skwuP3_21pF8RhMw===yXmQv3FtqqBpCbyWY4-QXAazaALoUn3ZCT1GsgXWYKO5-RxpwsJwiw==
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Re: [FRIAM] Mission to Abisko

2020-05-17 Thread Angel Edward 
I went to grad school with John. Known him for almost 50 years.

Ed
__

Ed Angel

Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab)
Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico

1017 Sierra Pinon
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505-984-0136 (home) edward.an...@gmail.com
505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel

> On May 17, 2020, at 9:16 PM, Prof David West  wrote:
> 
> By John L. Casti and Anders Karlqvist
> 
> Casti seems to hail from Santa Fe — anybody know him?
> 
> Our conversations involving metaphor and story and science prompted me to 
> reread this book over the weekend. I would like to highly recommend it to 
> everyone on the list.
> 
> The subtitle of the book is "stories and myths in the creation of scientific 
> 'truth'."
> 
> Jon, Frank and anyone else who identifies as a mathematician will enjoy / 
> find interesting the chapter by Ian Steward, "Secret Narratives of 
> Mathematics."  From the chapter:
> 
> "A proof is a story. Not any old story. It has to take off from the 
> hypothesis and end by confirming the conclusion. Not end with the conclusion, 
> by the way — any more than a novel is obliged to end with the hero and 
> heroine riding off together into the sunset. The story ends when the 
> conclusion is firmly pinned down. (This is where you stop and put your Halmos 
> symbol.)
> 
> If a proof is a story, then a memorable proof must tell a ripping yarn."
> 
> Lot's of fun stuff about evolution, computational thinking, algorithmic and 
> ascetic storytelling, something for everyone interested in science, how 
> science is done, science as communication, science and prediction.
> 
> davew
> 
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[FRIAM] Mission to Abisko

2020-05-17 Thread Prof David West 
By John L. Casti and Anders Karlqvist

Casti seems to hail from Santa Fe — anybody know him?

Our conversations involving metaphor and story and science prompted me to 
reread this book over the weekend. I would like to highly recommend it to 
everyone on the list.

The subtitle of the book is "stories and myths in the creation of scientific 
'truth'."

Jon, Frank and anyone else who identifies as a mathematician will enjoy / find 
interesting the chapter by Ian Steward, "Secret Narratives of Mathematics."  
From the chapter:

"A proof is a story. Not any old story. It has to take off from the hypothesis 
and end by confirming the conclusion. Not end with the conclusion, by the way — 
any more than a novel is obliged to end with the hero and heroine riding off 
together into the sunset. The story ends when the conclusion is firmly pinned 
down. (This is where you stop and put your Halmos symbol.)

If a proof is a story, then a memorable proof must tell a ripping yarn."

Lot's of fun stuff about evolution, computational thinking, algorithmic and 
ascetic storytelling, something for everyone interested in science, how science 
is done, science as communication, science and prediction.

davew

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Re: [FRIAM] FRIAM: The Comic Edition: April 2020

2020-05-17 Thread Frank Wimberly 
They're afraid of being eaten by Morlocks.

---
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140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
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505 670-9918
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On Sun, May 17, 2020, 5:51 PM cody dooderson  wrote:

> The Wikipedia article for Eloi, which I am positive the illustrator read
> , doesn't paint a very good picture of the Eloi. Is he or she insinuating
> that friam subscribers are scared of the dark?
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2020, 10:47 PM Marcus Daniels 
> wrote:
>
>> I had a different perspective on controversies related to first LANL
>> transition after interacting with Doug here and some other occasions.  It
>> was amazing he got away with the things he did – such a person would have
>> been disappeared during my tenure.  (I narrowly escaped on a few occasions
>> myself.)  Somewhere in there was a person that aspired to good things, but
>> a miserable person was the one that was hard to miss.   He couldn’t seem to
>> even find amusement in being a troll.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From: *Friam  on behalf of Frank Wimberly <
>> wimber...@gmail.com>
>> *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam@redfish.com>
>> *Date: *Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 5:15 PM
>> *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam@redfish.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] FRIAM: The Comic Edition: April 2020
>>
>>
>>
>> Did Doug hire them or what?
>>
>> ---
>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 16, 2020, 6:11 PM Stephen Guerin 
>> wrote:
>>
>> There is a group of freelance Ukranian Comic Artists. We never know which
>> one is working on what
>>https://www.upwork.com/l/ua/comic-artists/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 12:57 PM  wrote:
>>
>> We don’t know, do we?
>>
>>
>>
>> One of us, presumably.  Although, perhaps, somebody who does not know us
>> all that well.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> Nicholas Thompson
>>
>> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>>
>> Clark University
>>
>> thompnicks...@gmail.com
>>
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam  *On Behalf Of *Edward Angel
>> *Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2020 12:47 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam@redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] FRIAM: The Comic Edition: April 2020
>>
>>
>>
>> Who dod the comic?
>>
>>
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> ___
>>
>>
>> Ed Angel
>>
>> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory
>> (ARTS Lab)
>> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
>>
>> 1017 Sierra Pinon
>>
>> Santa Fe, NM 87501
>> 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu
>>
>> 505-453-4944 (cell)
>> http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel
>>
>>
>>
>> On May 15, 2020, at 9:36 PM,  <
>> thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/2020/04/
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] FRIAM: The Comic Edition: April 2020

2020-05-17 Thread cody dooderson 
The Wikipedia article for Eloi, which I am positive the illustrator read
, doesn't paint a very good picture of the Eloi. Is he or she insinuating
that friam subscribers are scared of the dark?

On Sat, May 16, 2020, 10:47 PM Marcus Daniels  wrote:

> I had a different perspective on controversies related to first LANL
> transition after interacting with Doug here and some other occasions.  It
> was amazing he got away with the things he did – such a person would have
> been disappeared during my tenure.  (I narrowly escaped on a few occasions
> myself.)  Somewhere in there was a person that aspired to good things, but
> a miserable person was the one that was hard to miss.   He couldn’t seem to
> even find amusement in being a troll.
>
>
>
> *From: *Friam  on behalf of Frank Wimberly <
> wimber...@gmail.com>
> *Reply-To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Date: *Saturday, May 16, 2020 at 5:15 PM
> *To: *The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Subject: *Re: [FRIAM] FRIAM: The Comic Edition: April 2020
>
>
>
> Did Doug hire them or what?
>
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2020, 6:11 PM Stephen Guerin 
> wrote:
>
> There is a group of freelance Ukranian Comic Artists. We never know which
> one is working on what
>https://www.upwork.com/l/ua/comic-artists/
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 12:57 PM  wrote:
>
> We don’t know, do we?
>
>
>
> One of us, presumably.  Although, perhaps, somebody who does not know us
> all that well.
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> Nicholas Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology
>
> Clark University
>
> thompnicks...@gmail.com
>
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam  *On Behalf Of *Edward Angel
> *Sent:* Saturday, May 16, 2020 12:47 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] FRIAM: The Comic Edition: April 2020
>
>
>
> Who dod the comic?
>
>
>
> Ed
>
> ___
>
>
> Ed Angel
>
> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory
> (ARTS Lab)
> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
>
> 1017 Sierra Pinon
>
> Santa Fe, NM 87501
> 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu
>
> 505-453-4944 (cell)
> http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel
>
>
>
> On May 15, 2020, at 9:36 PM,  <
> thompnicks...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/2020/04/
>
>
>
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[FRIAM] Master Question List for COVID-19 (caused by SARS-CoV-2) - mql_sars-cov-2_-_cleared_for_public_release_20200512.pdf

2020-05-17 Thread thompnickson2 
 
 They keep updating this.
https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/mql_sars-cov-2_-_cleare
d_for_public_release_20200512.pdf 

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Re: [FRIAM] from 5/15 virtual FRIAM

2020-05-17 Thread Marcus Daniels 
Nick writes:

< It seems to me that most of our actions are based on faith.  A genuine 
skeptic would just be a quivering mass of jello. >

It seems absurd to say `faith-based investing’.  Why would one put their 
well-being in the hands of an organization that didn’t have a plan to manage 
risk?   By having more kinds of resources, and the ability to weather longer 
storms, one can come out of a crisis with a stronger portfolio.   That argues 
for more pooling of resources (and larger organizations), not less.

Marcus

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[FRIAM] to the local congregation

2020-05-17 Thread thompnickson2 
7 new cases in Santa Fe, yesterday!  I think it’s a blip, a batch of cases 
coming in from nursing homes.  Still, in conjunction with Jon’s report of 
cheerful hoards of maskless covid-denying Texans arriving in Santa Fe on 
Friday, it did cause me concern. 

 

n

 

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

  thompnicks...@gmail.com

  
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

 

 

From: Friam  On Behalf Of Merle Lefkoff
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 10:52 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The plague

 

It's a good time to share small bits of good news.

 

https://www.972mag.com/coronavirus-hotel-jerusalem/

 

At the end of the article, I note that the writer grew up in a peace village in 
Israel called Neve Shalom Wahat al Salam, an intentional community where for 
generations Jewish and Arab families lived together.  I was a member of the 
mediation team there that facilitated the first dialogue between Israels and 
West Bank Palestinians.  Previously, the only meetings were between Israelis 
and Palestinian citizens of Israel living in Israel.  

 

On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 10:10 AM Jochen Fromm mailto:j...@cas-group.net> > wrote:

Is it a good time to read Albert Camus' 'The Plague' ? Frank and David have so 
much books on their bookshelves that they probably have it already...

https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2020-03-23/reading-camu-the-plague-amid-coronavirus

 

-J.

 

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emergentdiplomacy.org  

Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

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mobile:  (303) 859-5609
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Re: [FRIAM] The plague

2020-05-17 Thread Merle Lefkoff 
It's a good time to share small bits of good news.

https://www.972mag.com/coronavirus-hotel-jerusalem/

At the end of the article, I note that the writer grew up in a peace
village in Israel called Neve Shalom Wahat al Salam, an intentional
community where for generations Jewish and Arab families lived together.  I
was a member of the mediation team there that facilitated the first
dialogue between Israels and West Bank Palestinians.  Previously, the only
meetings were between Israelis and Palestinian citizens of Israel living in
Israel.

On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 10:10 AM Jochen Fromm  wrote:

> Is it a good time to read Albert Camus' 'The Plague' ? Frank and David
> have so much books on their bookshelves that they probably have it
> already...
>
> https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2020-03-23/reading-camu-the-plague-amid-coronavirus
>
> -J.
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Re: [FRIAM] from 5/15 virtual FRIAM

2020-05-17 Thread Frank Wimberly 
Sorry.  I am not used to this (&^%( keyboard.

That's wonderful, Jon.

On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 10:44 AM Frank Wimberly  wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 10:26 AM Jon Zingale  wrote:
>
>> Frank,
>>
>> Thank you for your response. As a variant of your statement
>> about mathematics and god, Paul Erdos believed in *the book. *He
>> believed that the book was were god kept all of his most elegant
>> proofs of theorems. He would say to his collaborators, 'Yes, that
>> is a *proof*, but now let's look for the *book* *proof*'. He would also
>> say,
>> 'You don't have to believe in god, but you *must* believe in the book.'
>>
>> I miss the conversations that I would have with Reuben on the train
>> to Albuquerque. It was really great to hear his thoughts on Lakotos,
>> Ukrainian mathematics, Rota, Erdos and Stillwell. We would walk
>> up central when he didn't want to wait for a bus. He would lecture
>> in Jens Lorenz's PDE class. The thai restaurant he liked appears to
>> be closed now. We would catch the train home to Santa Fe and Vera
>> would be waiting for him at the bus stop. What a tremendous love
>> they shared. Reuben's thoughts on mathematics and humanity have
>> left an indelible mark on my thinking.
>>
>> Jon
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Re: [FRIAM] from 5/15 virtual FRIAM

2020-05-17 Thread Frank Wimberly 
On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 10:26 AM Jon Zingale  wrote:

> Frank,
>
> Thank you for your response. As a variant of your statement
> about mathematics and god, Paul Erdos believed in *the book. *He
> believed that the book was were god kept all of his most elegant
> proofs of theorems. He would say to his collaborators, 'Yes, that
> is a *proof*, but now let's look for the *book* *proof*'. He would also
> say,
> 'You don't have to believe in god, but you *must* believe in the book.'
>
> I miss the conversations that I would have with Reuben on the train
> to Albuquerque. It was really great to hear his thoughts on Lakotos,
> Ukrainian mathematics, Rota, Erdos and Stillwell. We would walk
> up central when he didn't want to wait for a bus. He would lecture
> in Jens Lorenz's PDE class. The thai restaurant he liked appears to
> be closed now. We would catch the train home to Santa Fe and Vera
> would be waiting for him at the bus stop. What a tremendous love
> they shared. Reuben's thoughts on mathematics and humanity have
> left an indelible mark on my thinking.
>
> Jon
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Re: [FRIAM] The plague

2020-05-17 Thread Frank Wimberly 
La Peste

On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 10:10 AM Jochen Fromm  wrote:

> Is it a good time to read Albert Camus' 'The Plague' ? Frank and David
> have so much books on their bookshelves that they probably have it
> already...
>
> https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2020-03-23/reading-camu-the-plague-amid-coronavirus
>
> -J.
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Re: [FRIAM] The plague

2020-05-17 Thread George Duncan 
I reread The Plague two years ago for a summer workshop at United Church of
Santa Fe. It is a powerful novel simply as a literary work but is
especially powerful as an extraordinarily human response to the threat of
widespread death.  Highly recommend but particularly now.

On Sun, May 17, 2020 at 10:10 AM Jochen Fromm  wrote:

> Is it a good time to read Albert Camus' 'The Plague' ? Frank and David
> have so much books on their bookshelves that they probably have it
> already...
>
> https://www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/books/story/2020-03-23/reading-camu-the-plague-amid-coronavirus
>
> -J.
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Re: [FRIAM] from 5/15 virtual FRIAM

2020-05-17 Thread thompnickson2 
Marcus, 

 

It seems to me that most of our actions are based on faith.  A genuine skeptic 
would just be a quivering mass of jello.  We skeptics are a highly selective 
lot. 

 

Nick 

 

Nicholas Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology

Clark University

  thompnicks...@gmail.com

  
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

 

 

From: Friam  On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels
Sent: Sunday, May 17, 2020 12:56 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] from 5/15 virtual FRIAM

 

Stephen writes:

 

< If you have a belief that a collectively intelligent system could be built 
and you could be a member,  welcome to a Faith-based community. >

 

For example, to believe that COVID-19 could hurt someone you know does not 
involve a leap of faith.   It means being able to understand how models work 
and their assumptions, and following a calculation to a conclusion --  even if 
there isn’t any immediate evidence of death in the vicinity.   Planning around 
such a model is not faith-based so long as one knows what they don’t know.

 

I would say what you literally wrote is faith-based, because it supposes that a 
control system can take a particular form and be successful.   It’s a 
particular organization type than some may find utopian and others find 
dystopian.  What a system needs to be successful is a function of a situation, 
and the potential components available for implementing the system.  

 

It is also merely faith to believe that the norms of our government and 
democracy itself are robust, and that potential corrective measures that were 
not conceived of by the framers of U.S. Constitution will not be necessary for 
ensuring that the population can thrive.   The government is a big system, so 
it will have bugs and be prone to technical debt.   Sometimes refactors are 
needed and sometimes requirements change. 

 

If a small collectively intelligent system can be built, then it should be 
possible to build a large one too.  A large one will have more resources it can 
draw upon.   It boils down to what one thinks life is good for.

Going to church doesn’t interest me, but rapid mass transit and space 
exploration do interest me.   I want the big government because it can do 
cooler stuff.

 

Marcus

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Re: [FRIAM] from 5/15 virtual FRIAM

2020-05-17 Thread Jon Zingale 
Frank,

Thank you for your response. As a variant of your statement
about mathematics and god, Paul Erdos believed in *the book. *He
believed that the book was were god kept all of his most elegant
proofs of theorems. He would say to his collaborators, 'Yes, that
is a *proof*, but now let's look for the *book* *proof*'. He would also say,
'You don't have to believe in god, but you *must* believe in the book.'

I miss the conversations that I would have with Reuben on the train
to Albuquerque. It was really great to hear his thoughts on Lakotos,
Ukrainian mathematics, Rota, Erdos and Stillwell. We would walk
up central when he didn't want to wait for a bus. He would lecture
in Jens Lorenz's PDE class. The thai restaurant he liked appears to
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would be waiting for him at the bus stop. What a tremendous love
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[FRIAM] The plague

2020-05-17 Thread Jochen Fromm 
Is it a good time to read Albert Camus' 'The Plague' ? Frank and David have so 
much books on their bookshelves that they probably have it 
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[FRIAM] Fwd: Virtual Harper Lecture with Nicholas Epley

2020-05-17 Thread George Duncan 
Fits with some of our discussion.

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Re: [FRIAM] from 5/15 virtual FRIAM

2020-05-17 Thread Marcus Daniels 
Stephen writes:

< If you have a belief that a collectively intelligent system could be built 
and you could be a member,  welcome to a Faith-based community. >

For example, to believe that COVID-19 could hurt someone you know does not 
involve a leap of faith.   It means being able to understand how models work 
and their assumptions, and following a calculation to a conclusion --  even if 
there isn’t any immediate evidence of death in the vicinity.   Planning around 
such a model is not faith-based so long as one knows what they don’t know.

I would say what you literally wrote is faith-based, because it supposes that a 
control system can take a particular form and be successful.   It’s a 
particular organization type than some may find utopian and others find 
dystopian.  What a system needs to be successful is a function of a situation, 
and the potential components available for implementing the system.

It is also merely faith to believe that the norms of our government and 
democracy itself are robust, and that potential corrective measures that were 
not conceived of by the framers of U.S. Constitution will not be necessary for 
ensuring that the population can thrive.   The government is a big system, so 
it will have bugs and be prone to technical debt.   Sometimes refactors are 
needed and sometimes requirements change.

If a small collectively intelligent system can be built, then it should be 
possible to build a large one too.  A large one will have more resources it can 
draw upon.   It boils down to what one thinks life is good for.
Going to church doesn’t interest me, but rapid mass transit and space 
exploration do interest me.   I want the big government because it can do 
cooler stuff.

Marcus
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