Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)
Glen, Thank you for looking into it. Yes, that is the publication. Also, thank you for posting "The post-truth prophets"[0]. Sean Illing manages to get at the heart of what I find myself defending regarding postmodernism[1]. You may remember that some months ago, I was on a "Bergson through the eyes of Deleuze"-kick. Bergson, a prominent philosopher of mind, space, and time (in his time) was driven completely underground by Einstein, Russell, and other promoters of relativity theory. By many historical accounts, the work of Bergson could have been all but forgotten had Deleuze not resurrected his ideas, and especially their applications to film. Crucial to Bergson's conception was to recognize time and space as explicitly different kinds of things, and via his admiration of Riemann, sought out but never found a mathematical treatment for his ideas. Listening to Wolfram's interview on Sean Carroll's podcast[2], I cannot help but wonder if this recent work is a step toward Bergson's dream. Around 42 minutes into the interview, SeanC and SteveW record: """ 0:41:26.7 SW: That is, you might have thought to get something as computationally sophisticated as us humans with our brains and all this kind of thing you need the whole process that’s led to us humans. But what the principle of computational equivalence says is that’s not true. Even these very simple systems with very simple rules can do it, and that has… Well, it has lots of consequences. If you’re worrying about extraterrestrial intelligence, for example, that tells you it’s everywhere. It’s a question of whether we are sufficiently aligned with that intelligence to be able to recognize it as something that, for example, has purposes that we can understand as sort of human-like purposes. And I think this idea intelligence requires liquid water is almost laughable. 0:42:10.2 SC: Right. [laughter] I’m on your side when it comes to that, but intelligence might require spacetime in some sense, so let’s at least try to get that. Is this naïve picture that I have in mind, where you have the hypergraph, you update, it’s a discrete updating… Can I think of the graph at any one update as space and the update itself as time, or is that too simple-minded? 0:42:35.3 SW: Okay, so it gets a little complicated. And in fact, the complexity that arises is quantum mechanics, I think. And so it’s, in a sense, you try and make it that simple and you… Okay, so the basic point is, the rule says if you have a lump of atoms of space that are connected in this way, transform it into a lump that’s connected in this other way, and it… Basically the rule just says that’s what you do. It doesn’t say where you do it, it doesn’t say when you do it, it’s just any time there’s a lump that looks like this, you can transform it into a lump that looks like that. 0:43:11.0 SW: And so those transformations can be happening all over this hypergraph. And so it is not at all obvious that… That is, the only thing that’s defined is these can happen. The question of when they happen, what counts as the sort of simultaneity surface, what counts is that moment in time, is something that’s really in the eye of the observer. 0:43:31.7 SC: Okay. But the updated graph is supposed to represent spacetime and the things within it, or is it a more subtle map there? 0:43:37.9 SW: No, no. So at any given… What’s happening is this graph is getting updated, and there are lots of little places where it can get updated. And you can say, okay, I’m going to consider the graph with this collection of updates having been done. I’m going to consider that as time T equals 0, let’s say. And then another situation you’re going to say, now, I’m going to say this collection of updates is time T equals 1, for example. And at each one of those time slices, at each one of those sort of… Well, in the language of physics, spacelike hypersurfaces, that represents an instantaneous structure of space. But it is somewhat arbitrary what you consider to be this instantaneous structure of space, just as it is in general relativity. 0:44:26.9 SC: Well, sure, right. I mean, that’s very familiar from general relativity, but I’m just saying is the collection of the whole shebang spacetime, and the things within it? 0:44:35.0 SW: No. It’s just space. A single hypergraph, a single… 0:44:37.6 SC: No, the collection of all the updated hypergraphs, that’s what I’m asking. 0:44:40.2 SW: Oh, yeah, yeah. Right. The sequence of updates, the hypergraph together with all its updates is supposed to be spacetime. And one of the things that is interesting and non-trivial here is most traditional views of physics have thought of space and time as being the same kind of thing. In this model they’re really not. 0:45:00.0 SC: Sure. 0:45:00.0 SW: Space is the extent of the spatial hypergraph. Time is the computational process of updating this hypergraph. So time is the progression of a computation. Space is just, oh, you follow these connectio
Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)
(reposted for readability) EricS, I am sorry to say that with the disruption of the nabble Friam server, and with my head buried in work, I managed to miss your response to my queries about your approach to Fisher's Theorem. Thankfully, RogerF brought your response to my attention. In the last few months since we engaged this thread, I have steeped myself in some of the hypergraph literature[⍼]. What follows is an attempt to state what I think I understand and to see how closely it comes to your own understanding. My question (at the time) regarding whether hypergraphs make up a topology was in part my wondering whether we get an algebra from hypergraph parts, which it seems is how *cospan algebras* enter the picture. The Wolfram podcast you sent, and to which I am presently listening, is giving me insight into how and why hypergraphs came to be considered by those interested in generative/constructor physics. His metaphysical starting point: that space is *material*, that it has a kind of *local logic of connectivity*, and that in the Kelvin and Tait tradition we can interpret all that we see as a manifestation of self-interaction in an ether that we call space. This monadic/monist description is quite general and so it is becoming a *Pauling point* in many complexity-oriented theories. A brief survey includes Petri nets, object recognition, protein interactions, open Markov networks, chemical reactions, GUI design, automata theory, and anywhere that one can imagine Conway's madman sitting at an infinitely sprawling synthesizer patch bay. One striking feature of these models is that whether or not anything in the universe actually *happens simultaneously*, we can witness that some of the details at one timescale are found to be indistinguishable at another. This suggests that it can be useful to write an algebra of *boxed* interactions, where we may know nothing about the implementation except for which nodes to use as inputs and which to use as outputs (though possibly stronger types). At an extreme, as with the *operad* formalization, one can simply specify ports. What seems to make the hypergraph formalization so useful is that we now have semantics for these things, whether *decorated* or *structured* cospans. In effect, this means that we get functors that not only *name* ports through the typical unit adjunction (giving rise to all the familiar play of adjoint relationships and the tracing of natural equivalences) but also whose domain can be dynamical. This is especially wonderful if you want the *names for things* and the *things you name* to be made of the *same stuff* and without concern for whether or not things are simply points "way down there" somewhere. This week, through work, I met a researcher whose recent work concerns long-timescale dynamics (was it milliseconds?). She studies protein self-interactions at various stages of denaturing. I left the conversation with the sense that *behavioral classification* of proteins is important and that being able to identify some small *generative germ* of probable interactions is key. It seems to me that this is another place where it might be interesting to investigate via a hypergraph approach. There, we see that the *names* are effectively the internal dynamics of these core interactions, that *composability* of interactions corresponds to an algebra of names, and that all of the above can be situated harmoniously enough in a computational context. So far, what is written above is about as much as I understand. Thank you for the Springer link. Unfortunately, the pay-wall around that work is too rich for my blood. I would love it if someone with access can gift me a copy off-list. Cheers, Jon [⍼] For interested lurkers, I have compiled a list of papers that I found helpful in getting up to speed with hypergraphs: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1911.04630.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1704.02051.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1812.03601.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1806.08304.pdf Embarrassingly enough, I simply needed to read a little further in Spivak and Fong ;) - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)
This one? https://link.springer.com/content/pdf/10.1007%2F978-1-4757-3714-1_3.pdf I don't think I have special access. On 7/23/21 1:10 PM, Jon Zingale wrote: > So far, what is written above is about as much as I understand. Thank you for > the Springer link. Unfortunately, the pay-wall around that work is too rich > for > my blood. I would love it if someone with access can gift me a copy off-list. -- ☤>$ uǝlƃ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] (no subject)
EricS, I am sorry to say that with the disruption of the nabble Friam server, and with my head buried in work, I managed to miss your response to my queries about your approach to Fisher's Theorem. Thankfully, RogerF brought your response to my attention. In the last few months since we engaged this thread, I have steeped myself in some of the hypergraph literature[⍼]. What follows is an attempt to state what I think I understand and to see how closely it comes to your own understanding. My question (at the time) regarding whether hypergraphs make up a topology was in part my wondering whether we get an algebra from hypergraph parts, which it seems is how cospan algebras enter the picture. The Wolfram podcast you sent, and to which I am presently listening, is giving me insight into how and why hypergraphs came to be considered by those interested in generative physics. His metaphysical starting point: that space is *material*, that it has a kind of local *logic of connectivity*, and that in the Kelvin and Tait tradition we can interpret all that we see as a manifestation of self-interaction in the ether that we call space. This monadic/monist description is quite general and so it is becoming a *Pauling point* in many complexity-oriented theories. A brief survey includes Petri nets, object recognition, protein interactions, open Markov networks, chemical reactions, GUI design, automata theory, and anywhere that one can imagine Conway's madman sitting at an infinitely sprawling synthesizer patch bay. One striking feature of these models is that whether or not anything in the universe actually happens *simultaneously*, we can witness that some of the details at one timescale are found to be indistinguishable at another. This suggests that it can be useful to write an algebra of *boxed* interactions, where we may know nothing about the implementation except for which nodes to use as inputs and which to use as outputs (though possibly stronger types). At an extreme, as with the operad formalization, one can simply specify ports. What seems to make the hypergraph formalization so useful is that we *now* have semantics for these things, whether decorated or structured cospans. In effect, this means that we get functors that not only *name* ports through the typical unit adjunction (giving rise to all the familiar play of adjoint relationships and the tracing of natural equivalences), but also whose domains can be dynamical. This is especially wonderful if you want the names for things and the things you name to be made of the same stuff and without concern for whether or not things are simply points "way down there" somewhere. This week, through work, I met a woman whose recent work concerns long-timescale dynamics (was it milliseconds?). She studies protein self-interactions at various stages of denaturing. I left the conversation with the sense that behavioral classification of proteins is important and that being able to identify some small "generative germ" of probable interactions is key. It seems to me that this is another place where it might be interesting to investigate via a hypergraph approach. There, we see that the *names* are effectively the internal dynamics of these core interactions, that *composability* of interactions corresponds to an algebra of names, and that all of the above can be situated harmoniously enough in a computational context. So far, what is written above is about as much as I understand. Thank you for the Springer link. Unfortunately, the pay-wall around that work is too rich for my blood. I would love it if someone with access can gift me a copy off-list. Cheers, Jon [⍼] For interested lurkers, I have compiled a list of papers that I found helpful in getting up to speed with hypergraphs: https://arxiv.org/pdf/1911.04630.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1704.02051.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1812.03601.pdf https://arxiv.org/pdf/1806.08304.pdf Embarrassingly, I simply needed to read a little further in Spivak and Fong ;) - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Solutions documentary
It was CET so I missed a lot. But everything I saw was useful and interesting. I'm going to get my t-shirt printed somehow. I have a friend back in PDX that may give it a try. On 7/23/21 11:54 AM, Stephen Guerin wrote: > Did you attend most of the virtual conference this year? Any notable > papers/presentations? -- ☤>$ uǝlƃ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Solutions documentary
Doh. I see the facebook link now https://fb.me/e/Sh0VZI83 On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 12:54 PM Stephen Guerin wrote: > Cool. Did you find a place to stream or purchase? > > Did you attend most of the virtual conference this year? Any notable > papers/presentations? > > On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 12:19 PM uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > >> They re-premiered this at ALIFE 2021. I figured it would be interesting, >> if for no other reason than to ogle the SFI celebrities. 8^D Not really eye >> candy, but worthy anyway. >> >> https://cphdox.dk/film/solutions-da/ >> >> > SOLUTIONS >> > Pernille Rose Grønkjær / Denmark / 2021 / 110 min / World Premiere >> > A group of the world’s leading scientists meet. Together, they want to >> start a movement with an ambitious goal: To secure the future of humanity >> through science by finding the path to a new paradigm. >> > >> > Every time a new technology emerged, it changed our lives and our >> society. Today, this development is going faster than ever before. At the >> same time, the crises seem to be piling up on our only planet. What should >> we do? A group of the world’s leading scientists take up the fight and >> isolate themselves for ten days in a secluded spot in the desert of New >> Mexico to develop real solutions for today’s most urgent problems – and >> there is plenty to choose from. They come from all scientific disciplines >> and represent the environment, the economy, democracy, social media, >> education and artificial technologies. In just ten days, they want to start >> a movement with an ambitious goal: to secure the future of humanity through >> science, both in theory and in practice. Pernille Rose Grønkjær was given >> exclusive access to the ambitious think tank during the entire event last >> year. How do we reverse a global trend that is heading the way of the >> Titanic? As one of them says on day one: maybe what we need is a pandemic >> to pave the way for the necessary changes. >> >> >> >> -- >> ☤>$ uǝlƃ >> - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam >> un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ >> > - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Solutions documentary
Cool. Did you find a place to stream or purchase? Did you attend most of the virtual conference this year? Any notable papers/presentations? On Fri, Jul 23, 2021, 12:19 PM uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > They re-premiered this at ALIFE 2021. I figured it would be interesting, > if for no other reason than to ogle the SFI celebrities. 8^D Not really eye > candy, but worthy anyway. > > https://cphdox.dk/film/solutions-da/ > > > SOLUTIONS > > Pernille Rose Grønkjær / Denmark / 2021 / 110 min / World Premiere > > A group of the world’s leading scientists meet. Together, they want to > start a movement with an ambitious goal: To secure the future of humanity > through science by finding the path to a new paradigm. > > > > Every time a new technology emerged, it changed our lives and our > society. Today, this development is going faster than ever before. At the > same time, the crises seem to be piling up on our only planet. What should > we do? A group of the world’s leading scientists take up the fight and > isolate themselves for ten days in a secluded spot in the desert of New > Mexico to develop real solutions for today’s most urgent problems – and > there is plenty to choose from. They come from all scientific disciplines > and represent the environment, the economy, democracy, social media, > education and artificial technologies. In just ten days, they want to start > a movement with an ambitious goal: to secure the future of humanity through > science, both in theory and in practice. Pernille Rose Grønkjær was given > exclusive access to the ambitious think tank during the entire event last > year. How do we reverse a global trend that is heading the way of the > Titanic? As one of them says on day one: maybe what we need is a pandemic > to pave the way for the necessary changes. > > > > -- > ☤>$ uǝlƃ > - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam > un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/ > - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] Solutions documentary
They re-premiered this at ALIFE 2021. I figured it would be interesting, if for no other reason than to ogle the SFI celebrities. 8^D Not really eye candy, but worthy anyway. https://cphdox.dk/film/solutions-da/ > SOLUTIONS > Pernille Rose Grønkjær / Denmark / 2021 / 110 min / World Premiere > A group of the world’s leading scientists meet. Together, they want to start > a movement with an ambitious goal: To secure the future of humanity through > science by finding the path to a new paradigm. > > Every time a new technology emerged, it changed our lives and our society. > Today, this development is going faster than ever before. At the same time, > the crises seem to be piling up on our only planet. What should we do? A > group of the world’s leading scientists take up the fight and isolate > themselves for ten days in a secluded spot in the desert of New Mexico to > develop real solutions for today’s most urgent problems – and there is plenty > to choose from. They come from all scientific disciplines and represent the > environment, the economy, democracy, social media, education and artificial > technologies. In just ten days, they want to start a movement with an > ambitious goal: to secure the future of humanity through science, both in > theory and in practice. Pernille Rose Grønkjær was given exclusive access to > the ambitious think tank during the entire event last year. How do we reverse > a global trend that is heading the way of the Titanic? As one of them says on > day one: maybe what we need is a pandemic to pave the way for the necessary > changes. -- ☤>$ uǝlƃ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] ANOM
Legal Tetris and the FBI’s ANOM Program https://www.lawfareblog.com/legal-tetris-and-fbis-anom-program The MAGACoin scam pales in comparison to the ANOM scam ... though my empathy muscles fail to engage for either cohort of victims. -- glen ⛧ - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Zoom Fridays 9:30a-12p Mtn GMT-6 bit.ly/virtualfriam un/subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: http://friam.471366.n2.nabble.com/
