[FRIAM] *-sovereignty

2021-10-18 Thread Jon Zingale 
*"It seems like ZKPs (perhaps including tech like homomorphic encryption)
hint at a more elegant construct for demonstrating one's authenticity while
preserving one's place on a spectrum between autonomy or panmixia."*

Sure. I can imagine presenting a 4-coloring (AGCT) of a familiar sequence
and then repeatedly performing the verification method up to tolerance.

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Re: [FRIAM] *-sovereignty

2021-10-18 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $ 
Right, which came on the tail end of the argument about anti-vaxers' claims of 
bodily sovereignty. Part of Kim's argument *for* the vaccine mandates is that 
one's self doesn't really stop at one's skin. We're permeable to, participants 
in, the molecular/organismal stew in which we swim. In this context, bodily 
sovereignty is clearly bogus. Sure, back before the industrial revolution the 
concept of person/entity autonomy carried some water. But in an age where we 
get everything from our body dysmorphia from TikTok to our meat shrink-wrapped 
and shipped from some fly over state, bodily sovereignty is nonsense.

But in their defense, these membranes are not permeable to *everything*. My 
attempt to bridge the gap between Jon's argument and Kim's was presaged by my 
discussion of "free will" with EricC. Pragmatically, even if we *know* some 
diseased mind like Ted Kaczynski isn't autonomously responsible for his 
behavior, we still toss that psycho in jail, delineating him from his 
environment by way of his skin. I suppose analogous to quantum decoherence, 
given a particular context, it's within epsilon accurate to treat him as an 
atomic object. (Not Schroedinger's Meme, here but a kind of uncertainty 
principle. You either know what the meme is about or you know where the meme 
resides. But you can't know both?)

So, bodily sovereignty works in some contexts and fails in others. Disagreement 
dissolved. Quaff your pint and relax. 8^D

But I agree with Marcus. Unless we can get autonomy and panmixia to elegantly 
*fall out* of a unified construct, it'll remain a buzzword bandied about by 
hucksters and the delusional. This is yet another reason the Stadler paper on 
the ... mechanisticality (mechanisticness?) of integer hyperflows triggered me. 
These threads also evoke the conversation Jon tried to have about 
zero-knowledge proofs. It seems like ZKPs (perhaps including tech like 
homomorphic encryption) hint at a more elegant construct for demonstrating 
one's authenticity while preserving one's place on a spectrum between autonomy 
or panmixia.

On 10/18/21 10:43 AM, Stephen Guerin wrote:
> At VFriam with Glen and Jon.  as I came into their discussion on identity, I 
> brought up Self-Sovereignty Identity as something we're designing for in our 
> day job with Realtime.Earth.
> 
> If we classify Web 1.0 (1993-2005) roughly simple pages with databases and 
> forms. Web 2.0 (~2005-2015) was an era of social media, user-generated 
> content and mobile. In the Web 3.0 (~2015-present)  buzzword space, 
> self-sovereign identity is one of three primary components:
> 
>  1. Geospatial: AR, VR, digital twin, and physically interacting in the world
>  2. Decentralization: blockchain, cryptocurrency, NFT, Acequia
>  3. *Self-Sovereign Identity:* web 2.0 identity was dominated by Google, 
> Facebook, Apple, Twitter, Verizon, Government (if in China not USA- we can't 
> even manage a vote with government identity) 
>  1.  Wikipedia 
>  2. image.png
> https://www.powells.com/book/-9781617296598/2-0 
> 
>  3. Sandy Pentland's New Economy: Data as Capital
> https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/building-new-economy 
> 
> https://youtu.be/Jgg2N1Tnnw8 


> 
> On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 11:21 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$  > wrote:
> 
> 
> The Diverse Meanings of Digital Sovereignty
> 
> https://globalmedia.mit.edu/2020/08/05/the-diverse-meanings-of-digital-sovereignty/
>  
> 
> 
> "
> 1) Cyberspace sovereignty
> 2) State Digital Sovereignty
> 3) Indigenous digital sovereignty
> 4) Social movements digital sovereignty
> 5) 'Personal' digital sovereignty
> "
> 
> Oh how I hate that word "digital".


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[FRIAM] The Paper Architect.

2021-10-18 Thread Jon Zingale 
On one of my last visits to Cleveland, I had the pleasure of meeting a
young savant named Jack. Besides hosting a late-night radio show on
WCSB[턞] and performing afternoon noise music at a near-westside bar[턢],
he talks nearly non-stop, and almost singularly, and with encyclopedic
scope and depth, about the design and history of Cleveland architecture.
There is no building that exists or has existed, that escapes his
survey. To drive with him is to sign up for a guided tour, he points to
every cleared lot and Payless shoe store and describes exactly what is
missing. He explains the appearance of buildings now missing, the style
of their transoms, trellises, and archways; the founding dates, the
location of the quarries whence came granite, marble and mud for bricks.

For those not familiar with individuals like Jack, let me explain that
it is far from rare to meet these individuals in rust-belt coffeehouses,
and much more rare to find them in academic programs anywhere. They are
most easily identified in winter, where they are found without a coat,
wearing a sweatshirt or hoodie, and bumming cigarettes in blown-out
tennis shoes. I mention his appearance because my conversations with him
evoked for me the dedication of Ginsberg's Howl. Alan Ginsberg dedicates
his poem to Carl Solomon, a dadaist friend that committed suicide in a
most remarkable way. Solomon lived in a time when translobal lobotomy[⌁]
was still high-psychiatric science. Solomon, deciding that one's life
*is* the life of the mind, simulated madness until finally, the surgeon's
knife removed his soul. Ginsberg then begins his poem with the line:

"I saw the best minds of my generation destroyed by madness..."

I dare not print more of the poem for fear of raising the specter of
obscenity, pornography[¶].

Jack and I would talk about empire and decadence[⊲] and of those
buildings that are left to rot[⌦] before being torn down and replaced
by McDonald's, their steel boilers (the size of some apartments) scraped
for dollars. Those buildings can never again exist, for there is no longer
the steel, the raw resources, the expertise[⌽], the affluence, or vision.
The image for us is architecture as a mirror reflecting the internals of
our postmodern institutions, the hoax of sustained pedigree and privilege.

One morning, over coffee and as he ranted at me about the horror he
experiences from art moderne[1948] (a movement that I rather like, but
hey), I stop him to ask about some prints he has in an envelope on the
table. It seems that with the help of a disposable camera, the photo
lab of a CVS, a thumb drive, and the copy machine at the local library,
that he has taken to editing back into images of parking lots those
glorious buildings that had once stood there. In some of the images, he
would grotesquely enlarge the forms until they loomed over drugstores
and Chipotles. At that moment, seeing the images, I understood Jack's
protest as I understand Solomon's. Today, to dedicate one's life to the
life of a paper architect, to practice the drafting and design of those
buildings that will never/can never again exist, is the deepest sob and
most hopeless utterance of a postmodern era. A thumb in the eye of 20th
century decadence and waste, a glorious and honorable suicide.

[턞] Where he smokes a j before browsing youTube for samples to mix into
a two-hour sound collage.
[턢] http://www.nowthatsclass.net/
[⌁] Francis Farmer will have her revenge on Seattle
[¶] https://www.poetryfoundation.org/poems/49303/howl
[1948] https://clevelandhistorical.org/items/show/467
[⊲] As an aside, two days ago was the anniversary of Marie Antoinette's
date with the guillotine, vive la révolution, perhaps there will be
cake!
[⌦]
https://www.google.com/search?q=the+%22hilliard+theater%22+cleveland=isch=2ahUKEwiY0fTfxNTzAhUHm54KHfbLBHwQ2-cCegQIABAA=the+%22hilliard+theater%22+cleveland_lcp=CgNpbWcQA1CzfljahgFgwocBaABwAHgAgAHdA4gB6AySAQkwLjQuMy4wLjGYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ=img=2LVtYZiFGIe2-gT2l5PgBw=766=1440
[⌽] Sure, feel however about your Wrights or Mies van der Rohes, but the
empire has become too exhausted to birth another just as it cannot birth
another Rachmaninoff.

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Re: [FRIAM] *-sovereignty

2021-10-18 Thread Stephen Guerin 
At VFriam with Glen and Jon.  as I came into their discussion on identity,
I brought up Self-Sovereignty Identity as something we're designing for in
our day job with Realtime.Earth.

If we classify Web 1.0 (1993-2005) roughly simple pages with databases and
forms. Web 2.0 (~2005-2015) was an era of social media, user-generated
content and mobile. In the Web 3.0 (~2015-present)  buzzword space,
self-sovereign identity is one of three primary components:

   1. Geospatial: AR, VR, digital twin, and physically interacting in the
   world
   2. Decentralization: blockchain, cryptocurrency, NFT, Acequia
   3. *Self-Sovereign Identity:* web 2.0 identity was dominated by Google,
   Facebook, Apple, Twitter, Verizon, Government (if in China not USA- we
   can't even manage a vote with government identity)
  1.  Wikipedia 
  2. [image: image.png]
  https://www.powells.com/book/-9781617296598/2-0
  3. Sandy Pentland's New Economy: Data as Capital
  https://mitpress.mit.edu/books/building-new-economy
  https://youtu.be/Jgg2N1Tnnw8





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On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 11:21 AM uǝlƃ ☤>$  wrote:

>
> The Diverse Meanings of Digital Sovereignty
>
> https://globalmedia.mit.edu/2020/08/05/the-diverse-meanings-of-digital-sovereignty/
>
> "
> 1) Cyberspace sovereignty
> 2) State Digital Sovereignty
> 3) Indigenous digital sovereignty
> 4) Social movements digital sovereignty
> 5) 'Personal' digital sovereignty
> "
>
> Oh how I hate that word "digital".
>
> --
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Re: [FRIAM] A Quantum of Ethnicity

2021-10-18 Thread Steve Smith 
Will Glen Ropella be the next Henrietta Lacks?

I was reluctant to offer my DNA to the giant
commercial-profiteering-cloud-in-the-sky and only did so as a mild act
of "bravery", just as I do when I leave my wifi open and doors unlocked
and keys in my vehicle.   The big difference.  

I'm always interested in other's *honest* mystical
experiences/maunderings (in this case DaveW), not because I am seeking
mystical answers to questions, but rather because I find something
compelling about the mythopoetic wordview which mysticism seems to be a
part of. 

On 10/17/21 3:46 PM, ⛧ glen wrote:
> Dude. Have you written this up? You know I tend toward disdain in the 
> mystical. But I'd love to read your story.
>
> Re: SteveS' question, I will never submit my dna to such a service. But my 
> adoptive sister did; and thereby found her bio-mom and bio-sisters. She 
> always cared about that, whereas I could not care less. But I am happy for 
> her, because she is very happy about finding them.
>
> I did sign over the rights to take, keep, and use my dna for cancer therapy. 
> So, maybe, 6 to one, half a dozen to the other.
>
>
> On October 17, 2021 10:06:54 AM PDT, Prof David West  
> wrote:
>> Haven't done the DNA test, but did inherit an extensive genealogy simply 
>> because that is what Mormons do. Nothing particularly notable (the brother 
>> of William the Conqueror was an ancestor, the owner of most of the track 
>> across Nevada — Ogden to Reno — was a relative). I visited most of the 
>> villages in Netherlands, Western Germany, and the castle in England where 
>> ancestors once lived, but none of the ones in Ireland.
>>
>> The villages in Holland and Germany, at the time my ancestors lived there, 
>> were centers of radical / mystical Christian sects; maybe my mystical bent 
>> was genetically inherited?
>>
>> davew
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Oct 17, 2021, at 10:21 AM, Steve Smith wrote:
>>> Barry wrote:
 The author Isabel Wilkerson wrote two books which I’ve read in the
 last year or two. The second one was “Caste, The Origins of our
 Discontents.” In it, she looks at castes in three countries: India,
 the US, and Germany. She notes the extent to which the Nazis, once
 they had control of the government and needed to write laws supporting
 their scourges, followed the template of the American south. At one
 point, on the matter of who was to be considered a Jew, they looked at
 the American definition of a negro as one having “a single African
 American anywhere in your family tree”. For the Nazis that was a
 bridge too far, so they stopped looking past the grandparents. The
 American criterion was more than they thought they could sell to the
 German people.

 The other book she wrote, “The Warmth of Other Suns” is a history of
 the Great Migration, the flight of six million from the south to the
 north in the US, was a real eye-opener for me. I had never understood
 how brutal Jim Crow was.
>>> I took the plunge a few years ago for one of the ancestry DNA tests and
>>> was shocked but not surprised.   In spite of the family
>>> stories/folk-geneology tracing my roots back to mostly germany/poland
>>> with a schosch of Scottish, the DNA test claimed 95% Scandinavian and 5%
>>> North African.  Mary took the same test and got results much more
>>> aligned with her family story (Irish/English/Welsh).  Her father who
>>> could pass for native (heavily tanned from outdoor work, very dark
>>> hair/eyes) wanted to claim Native Ancestry but couldn't place it in a
>>> family tree (generations in Nebraska).   Mary's test came back as
>>> "clean" as Elizabeth Warren's. 
>>>
>>> My mother passed recently and with her passing I received a 3 drawer
>>> file-cabinet of the working papers she had from when she was tracing her
>>> geneology a few years ago.   While her mother emigrated from Germany as
>>> a child around 1900 with a full Polish mother, and full German father,
>>> her father's nameline (Graham) went back to pre-revolutionary days *IN*
>>> Kentucky, my great great great therefore being a contemporary of Daniel
>>> Boone I suppose.   That line mingled with that of a Scottish sea captain
>>> about 1800.
>>>
>>> The 95% Scandinavian isn't inconceivable from any portion of northern
>>> Europe.  The 5% north African was an interesting surprise.   The maps
>>> they offer up of "North Africa" leaves room for a wide range of ethnic
>>> origens with anything from Nubian to Arab to Moor to Berber to
>>> Harrarian.   I don't know that it relieves my ancestors of having
>>> included slaveholding.  My parents were both quite proud (for
>>> Kentuckians) of being "damn Yankees" which might have been an element of
>>> "protest too much"?   I don't know there is anything legitimate for me
>>> to feel proud or embarrassed about in my presumed 5% (less than a
>>> quantum?) but I felt both in passing.   My parents both considered
>>> themselves proud "mutts".
>>>
>>> A

Re: [FRIAM] *-sovereignty

2021-10-18 Thread Marcus Daniels 
So dismissive of the analog information..

> On Oct 18, 2021, at 10:21 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$  wrote:
> 
> 
> The Diverse Meanings of Digital Sovereignty
> https://globalmedia.mit.edu/2020/08/05/the-diverse-meanings-of-digital-sovereignty/
> 
> "
> 1) Cyberspace sovereignty
> 2) State Digital Sovereignty
> 3) Indigenous digital sovereignty
> 4) Social movements digital sovereignty
> 5) 'Personal' digital sovereignty
> "
> 
> Oh how I hate that word "digital". 
> 
> -- 
> "Better to be slapped with the truth than kissed with a lie."
> ☤>$ uǝlƃ
> 
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[FRIAM] *-sovereignty

2021-10-18 Thread uǝlƃ ☤ $ 

The Diverse Meanings of Digital Sovereignty
https://globalmedia.mit.edu/2020/08/05/the-diverse-meanings-of-digital-sovereignty/

"
1) Cyberspace sovereignty
2) State Digital Sovereignty
3) Indigenous digital sovereignty
4) Social movements digital sovereignty
5) 'Personal' digital sovereignty
"

Oh how I hate that word "digital". 

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Re: [FRIAM] Heart Rate

2021-10-18 Thread Roger Critchlow 
endlessly questionable

-- rec --


On Mon, Oct 18, 2021 at 11:12 AM Marcus Daniels 
wrote:

> Wouldn't a postmodernist say that the nouns and verbs in the argument have
> different weights and that to the extent there are canonical assignments
> for these weights, it reflects arbitrary norms and the accumulation of
> power?   In this view it seems to me a contribution to point out cases
> where different weightings or different lenses on the semantic network
> would change meaning.In short, thread bending is subjective.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Friam  On Behalf Of ? glen
> Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 2:33 AM
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Heart Rate
>
> No. Below is where Frank bent his own thread. I was addressing Frank's
> comment directly. If you blow the whistle, blow it at Frank.
>
> On October 16, 2021 10:10:20 AM PDT, Frank Wimberly 
> wrote:
> >Also on Friday you said that you are happy when people my age die.  So
> >it doesn't matter to you that 95% of people who die are unvaccinated.
> >
>
>
> On October 17, 2021 5:34:17 PM PDT, Stephen Guerin <
> stephen.gue...@simtable.com> wrote:
> >On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 6:01 PM ⛧ glen  wrote:
> >
> >> Ha! Nice redirect. Your mischarachterization was not about race.
> >> It'll be interesting if any in this office buys that. Your
> >> mischaracherization was about old people vs young or partially employed
> people.
> >
> >
> >Referee: **Thread bending whistle**
> >Frank's post appears to be addressing the original thread topic of  his
> >colleague paper on race and heart rate. Not considered a redirect.
> >
> >Please consider renaming subject line (ie COVID old people vs young) to
> >continue that discussion (for whatever it's worth).
>
> --
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Re: [FRIAM] Heart Rate

2021-10-18 Thread Marcus Daniels 
Wouldn't a postmodernist say that the nouns and verbs in the argument have 
different weights and that to the extent there are canonical assignments for 
these weights, it reflects arbitrary norms and the accumulation of power?   In 
this view it seems to me a contribution to point out cases where different 
weightings or different lenses on the semantic network would change meaning.
In short, thread bending is subjective.

-Original Message-
From: Friam  On Behalf Of ? glen
Sent: Monday, October 18, 2021 2:33 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Heart Rate

No. Below is where Frank bent his own thread. I was addressing Frank's comment 
directly. If you blow the whistle, blow it at Frank.

On October 16, 2021 10:10:20 AM PDT, Frank Wimberly  wrote:
>Also on Friday you said that you are happy when people my age die.  So 
>it doesn't matter to you that 95% of people who die are unvaccinated.
>


On October 17, 2021 5:34:17 PM PDT, Stephen Guerin 
 wrote:
>On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 6:01 PM ⛧ glen  wrote:
>
>> Ha! Nice redirect. Your mischarachterization was not about race. 
>> It'll be interesting if any in this office buys that. Your 
>> mischaracherization was about old people vs young or partially employed 
>> people.
>
>
>Referee: **Thread bending whistle**
>Frank's post appears to be addressing the original thread topic of  his 
>colleague paper on race and heart rate. Not considered a redirect.
>
>Please consider renaming subject line (ie COVID old people vs young) to 
>continue that discussion (for whatever it's worth).

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Re: [FRIAM] Heart Rate

2021-10-18 Thread ⛧ glen 
No. Below is where Frank bent his own thread. I was addressing Frank's comment 
directly. If you blow the whistle, blow it at Frank.

On October 16, 2021 10:10:20 AM PDT, Frank Wimberly  wrote:
>Also on Friday you said that you are happy when people my age die.  So it
>doesn't matter to you that 95% of people who die are unvaccinated.
>


On October 17, 2021 5:34:17 PM PDT, Stephen Guerin 
 wrote:
>On Sun, Oct 17, 2021 at 6:01 PM ⛧ glen  wrote:
>
>> Ha! Nice redirect. Your mischarachterization was not about race. It'll be
>> interesting if any in this office buys that. Your mischaracherization was
>> about old people vs young or partially employed people.
>
>
>Referee: **Thread bending whistle**
>Frank's post appears to be addressing the original thread topic of  his
>colleague paper on race and heart rate. Not considered a redirect.
>
>Please consider renaming subject line (ie COVID old people vs young) to
>continue that discussion (for whatever it's worth).

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