Re: [FRIAM] field of dreams?

[Gillian Densmore]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3c_pJ_CLJQ
One of the most 80s movies ever.

On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 2:38 PM Marcus Daniels  wrote:

>
> https://www.dezeen.com/2022/03/03/vulva-spaceship-design-aims-to-counter-prevalence-of-phalluses/
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Re: [FRIAM] International firm to invest $254M in ABQ hydrogen factory -- ABQ Journal

[Frank Wimberly]

I can't find any information about that via Google.  The last time I was in
California during the summer was in the early 80s and I thought I heard
about it on the local news.

---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 4:43 PM Frank Wimberly  wrote:

> In California during the summer they have had rolling blackouts or
> brownouts.  In the Bay Area I think they have had nuclear Naval vessels
> connect to the grid to help.  Naval reactors are small compared to power
> plant reactors but I guess even a little bit helps.
>
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 4:38 PM Marcus Daniels  wrote:
>
>> Related to the climate change apocalypse, PG has Public Safety Power
>> Shutoffs that impact especially people that live in high fire risk areas.
>> People that have experienced shutoffs more than twice can get batteries
>> reimbursed. [1]
>>
>> With regard to the load balancing issue I was thinking more how I could
>> rationalize a purchase of a car using proceeds from my electricity sales
>> (as the car sits there).  Neighbors’ summer A/C surge powered by my car at
>> a high (but fair!) rate.
>>
>> [1]
>> https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/save-energy-money/savings-solutions-and-rebates/understand-the-solar-process.page
>>
>> On Mar 12, 2022, at 3:00 PM, David Eric Smith 
>> wrote:
>>
>> It seems like the sales pitch on this is always for emergency backup
>> power.  (And of course, Ford, advertising to Americans, will always go for
>> the (always-afraid, but still) he-man survivalist meme.)  But it seems that
>> at least a decade ago, and perhaps two, when the need for load balancing to
>> make wind or solar power at all compatible with current demand schedules,
>> it was proposed that all these EVs we would be building anyway, should just
>> be designed as part of the load-balancing capacity.  I am surprised I see
>> so little commentary about a system-level design for load balancing, using
>> anything that has batteries in it to minimize duplicating and then
>> under-utilizing storage capacity.
>>
>> Or maybe there is such language, and like much else, I just don’t follow
>> enough to know about it.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 13, 2022, at 2:41 AM, Marcus Daniels  wrote:
>>
>>
>> I totally don't need a pickup, but as the apocalypse approaches (pick
>> your favorite!) this is kind of cool.
>>
>>
>>
>> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/03/californias-utility-will-begin-testing-ev-vehicle-to-grid-charging/
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>>
>> From: Friam  On Behalf Of glen
>>
>> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 9:43 AM
>>
>> To: friam@redfish.com
>>
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: International firm to invest $254M in ABQ
>> hydrogen factory -- ABQ Journal
>>
>>
>> +1 Even though I have a pickup that I don't use as intended, my
>> experiments with the motorcycle and bicycle for everyday commuting have
>> failed for the most part. But I'd push for a compromise within a spectrum
>> of non-car solutions, a manifold approach like:
>>
>>
>> 1) ban all cars from downtown areas,
>>
>> 2) build bike-sized personal transport that doesn't depend on balanced
>> control,
>>
>> 3) optimize for multi-person transport between dense populations and
>> oft-traveled routes,
>>
>> 4) self-driving cars for diaspora into suburban/rural areas.
>>
>>
>> Bicycles/skateboards/scooters don't work for all sorts of reasons (sight,
>> balance, carpal tunnel, rain/snow/ice, freight, etc.). People movers only
>> work for some use cases. Etc. ≥4 person things like cars have obvious
>> problems, but also obvious use cases.
>>
>>
>> Part of the problem, of course, would be to get enough people on board,
>> to centralize the plan enough, to make it do any good ... for the climate
>> or whatever problems we're trying to solve.
>>
>>
>> On 3/11/22 09:30, cody dooderson wrote:
>>
>>
>> I think a global ban on automobiles would go a long way in GGE, without
>> having to resort to nuclear winter and massive population culling. I am
>> also a proponent of getting rid of automobiles because I am totally sick of
>> them. I would really like to be able to leave my house without having to
>> constantly dodge speeding hunks of metal.
>>
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] International firm to invest $254M in ABQ hydrogen factory -- ABQ Journal

[Frank Wimberly]

In California during the summer they have had rolling blackouts or
brownouts.  In the Bay Area I think they have had nuclear Naval vessels
connect to the grid to help.  Naval reactors are small compared to power
plant reactors but I guess even a little bit helps.

---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Sat, Mar 12, 2022, 4:38 PM Marcus Daniels  wrote:

> Related to the climate change apocalypse, PG has Public Safety Power
> Shutoffs that impact especially people that live in high fire risk areas.
> People that have experienced shutoffs more than twice can get batteries
> reimbursed. [1]
>
> With regard to the load balancing issue I was thinking more how I could
> rationalize a purchase of a car using proceeds from my electricity sales
> (as the car sits there).  Neighbors’ summer A/C surge powered by my car at
> a high (but fair!) rate.
>
> [1]
> https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/save-energy-money/savings-solutions-and-rebates/understand-the-solar-process.page
>
> On Mar 12, 2022, at 3:00 PM, David Eric Smith  wrote:
>
> It seems like the sales pitch on this is always for emergency backup
> power.  (And of course, Ford, advertising to Americans, will always go for
> the (always-afraid, but still) he-man survivalist meme.)  But it seems that
> at least a decade ago, and perhaps two, when the need for load balancing to
> make wind or solar power at all compatible with current demand schedules,
> it was proposed that all these EVs we would be building anyway, should just
> be designed as part of the load-balancing capacity.  I am surprised I see
> so little commentary about a system-level design for load balancing, using
> anything that has batteries in it to minimize duplicating and then
> under-utilizing storage capacity.
>
> Or maybe there is such language, and like much else, I just don’t follow
> enough to know about it.
>
>
> On Mar 13, 2022, at 2:41 AM, Marcus Daniels  wrote:
>
>
> I totally don't need a pickup, but as the apocalypse approaches (pick your
> favorite!) this is kind of cool.
>
>
>
> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/03/californias-utility-will-begin-testing-ev-vehicle-to-grid-charging/
>
>
> -Original Message-
>
> From: Friam  On Behalf Of glen
>
> Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 9:43 AM
>
> To: friam@redfish.com
>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: International firm to invest $254M in ABQ
> hydrogen factory -- ABQ Journal
>
>
> +1 Even though I have a pickup that I don't use as intended, my
> experiments with the motorcycle and bicycle for everyday commuting have
> failed for the most part. But I'd push for a compromise within a spectrum
> of non-car solutions, a manifold approach like:
>
>
> 1) ban all cars from downtown areas,
>
> 2) build bike-sized personal transport that doesn't depend on balanced
> control,
>
> 3) optimize for multi-person transport between dense populations and
> oft-traveled routes,
>
> 4) self-driving cars for diaspora into suburban/rural areas.
>
>
> Bicycles/skateboards/scooters don't work for all sorts of reasons (sight,
> balance, carpal tunnel, rain/snow/ice, freight, etc.). People movers only
> work for some use cases. Etc. ≥4 person things like cars have obvious
> problems, but also obvious use cases.
>
>
> Part of the problem, of course, would be to get enough people on board, to
> centralize the plan enough, to make it do any good ... for the climate or
> whatever problems we're trying to solve.
>
>
> On 3/11/22 09:30, cody dooderson wrote:
>
>
> I think a global ban on automobiles would go a long way in GGE, without
> having to resort to nuclear winter and massive population culling. I am
> also a proponent of getting rid of automobiles because I am totally sick of
> them. I would really like to be able to leave my house without having to
> constantly dodge speeding hunks of metal.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] International firm to invest $254M in ABQ hydrogen factory -- ABQ Journal

[Marcus Daniels]

Related to the climate change apocalypse, PG has Public Safety Power Shutoffs 
that impact especially people that live in high fire risk areas.  People that 
have experienced shutoffs more than twice can get batteries reimbursed. [1]

With regard to the load balancing issue I was thinking more how I could 
rationalize a purchase of a car using proceeds from my electricity sales (as 
the car sits there).  Neighbors’ summer A/C surge powered by my car at a high 
(but fair!) rate.

[1] 
https://www.pge.com/en_US/residential/save-energy-money/savings-solutions-and-rebates/understand-the-solar-process.page

On Mar 12, 2022, at 3:00 PM, David Eric Smith  wrote:

It seems like the sales pitch on this is always for emergency backup power.  
(And of course, Ford, advertising to Americans, will always go for the 
(always-afraid, but still) he-man survivalist meme.)  But it seems that at 
least a decade ago, and perhaps two, when the need for load balancing to make 
wind or solar power at all compatible with current demand schedules, it was 
proposed that all these EVs we would be building anyway, should just be 
designed as part of the load-balancing capacity.  I am surprised I see so 
little commentary about a system-level design for load balancing, using 
anything that has batteries in it to minimize duplicating and then 
under-utilizing storage capacity.

Or maybe there is such language, and like much else, I just don’t follow enough 
to know about it.


On Mar 13, 2022, at 2:41 AM, Marcus Daniels  wrote:

I totally don't need a pickup, but as the apocalypse approaches (pick your 
favorite!) this is kind of cool.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/03/californias-utility-will-begin-testing-ev-vehicle-to-grid-charging/

-Original Message-
From: Friam  On Behalf Of glen
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 9:43 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: International firm to invest $254M in ABQ hydrogen 
factory -- ABQ Journal

+1 Even though I have a pickup that I don't use as intended, my experiments 
with the motorcycle and bicycle for everyday commuting have failed for the most 
part. But I'd push for a compromise within a spectrum of non-car solutions, a 
manifold approach like:

1) ban all cars from downtown areas,
2) build bike-sized personal transport that doesn't depend on balanced control,
3) optimize for multi-person transport between dense populations and 
oft-traveled routes,
4) self-driving cars for diaspora into suburban/rural areas.

Bicycles/skateboards/scooters don't work for all sorts of reasons (sight, 
balance, carpal tunnel, rain/snow/ice, freight, etc.). People movers only work 
for some use cases. Etc. ≥4 person things like cars have obvious problems, but 
also obvious use cases.

Part of the problem, of course, would be to get enough people on board, to 
centralize the plan enough, to make it do any good ... for the climate or 
whatever problems we're trying to solve.

On 3/11/22 09:30, cody dooderson wrote:

I think a global ban on automobiles would go a long way in GGE, without having 
to resort to nuclear winter and massive population culling. I am also a 
proponent of getting rid of automobiles because I am totally sick of them. I 
would really like to be able to leave my house without having to constantly 
dodge speeding hunks of metal.




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Re: [FRIAM] Ukraine import/exports

[Marcus Daniels]

Russia #1 on crony capitalism index.

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From: Friam  On Behalf Of Tom Johnson
Sent: Thursday, March 3, 2022 7:05 PM
To: Friam@redfish. com 
Subject: [FRIAM] Ukraine import/exports

Not sure of 6 data source, but the difference between China and Russia is 
interesting.


https://elements.visualcapitalist.com/visualizing-ukraines-top-trading-partners-and-products/
===
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Inst. for Analytic Journalism
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Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: International firm to invest $254M in ABQ hydrogen factory -- ABQ Journal

[Marcus Daniels]

One issue is the need for a fusebox switch or relay to disconnect from the grid 
during an outage.  That can require large gauge wiring to and from the 
generator or solar inverters or (pickup truck) batteries.  That isn’t a problem 
if your main panel is where the power sources are, but some investment if not.  
The F150 is really a large circuit requirement of 80 amps, so might as well get 
a subpanel in the latter case.

Often the way generators are added is by creating two paths where one has 
essential stuff like the refrigerator, and others are unavailable when the 
generator path is used (and the house is off grid).   My dad has that setup but 
he cannot use his solar off grid yet.  Ideally one would top off batteries from 
the generator or the solar as needed — a switch that is thrown automatically at 
sunset or according to the battery charge.  To make that systematic, better to 
have fixed batteries.

Some electricians seem to do this more than others but I got bids that were 
widely variable.  

> On Mar 12, 2022, at 12:26 PM, glen∉ℂ  wrote:
> 
> Yep. I've long wanted to get one of those panel adapters that allows me to 
> power the house with my gas powered generator. I just never found the 
> motivation. Making something like this standard seems like progress. Renee' 
> wants to put solar panels on the house. So I'm wondering how universal such 
> an adapter can be? Can the same system accept power from anywhere? Or is the 
> inverted charging station fundamentally different from the adapter I'd use 
> with the gas generator? Or the solar panels? My guess is each is custom to 
> the application.
> 
>> On 3/12/22 9:41 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> I totally don't need a pickup, but as the apocalypse approaches (pick your 
>> favorite!) this is kind of cool.
>> https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/03/californias-utility-will-begin-testing-ev-vehicle-to-grid-charging/
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: International firm to invest $254M in ABQ hydrogen factory -- ABQ Journal

[glen∉ℂ]

Yep. I've long wanted to get one of those panel adapters that allows me to 
power the house with my gas powered generator. I just never found the 
motivation. Making something like this standard seems like progress. Renee' 
wants to put solar panels on the house. So I'm wondering how universal such an 
adapter can be? Can the same system accept power from anywhere? Or is the 
inverted charging station fundamentally different from the adapter I'd use with 
the gas generator? Or the solar panels? My guess is each is custom to the 
application.

On 3/12/22 9:41 AM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

I totally don't need a pickup, but as the apocalypse approaches (pick your 
favorite!) this is kind of cool.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/03/californias-utility-will-begin-testing-ev-vehicle-to-grid-charging/




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Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: International firm to invest $254M in ABQ hydrogen factory -- ABQ Journal

[Marcus Daniels]

I totally don't need a pickup, but as the apocalypse approaches (pick your 
favorite!) this is kind of cool.

https://arstechnica.com/cars/2022/03/californias-utility-will-begin-testing-ev-vehicle-to-grid-charging/

-Original Message-
From: Friam  On Behalf Of glen
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 9:43 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: International firm to invest $254M in ABQ hydrogen 
factory -- ABQ Journal

+1 Even though I have a pickup that I don't use as intended, my experiments 
with the motorcycle and bicycle for everyday commuting have failed for the most 
part. But I'd push for a compromise within a spectrum of non-car solutions, a 
manifold approach like:

1) ban all cars from downtown areas,
2) build bike-sized personal transport that doesn't depend on balanced control,
3) optimize for multi-person transport between dense populations and 
oft-traveled routes,
4) self-driving cars for diaspora into suburban/rural areas.

Bicycles/skateboards/scooters don't work for all sorts of reasons (sight, 
balance, carpal tunnel, rain/snow/ice, freight, etc.). People movers only work 
for some use cases. Etc. ≥4 person things like cars have obvious problems, but 
also obvious use cases.

Part of the problem, of course, would be to get enough people on board, to 
centralize the plan enough, to make it do any good ... for the climate or 
whatever problems we're trying to solve.

On 3/11/22 09:30, cody dooderson wrote:
> 
> I think a global ban on automobiles would go a long way in GGE, without 
> having to resort to nuclear winter and massive population culling. I am also 
> a proponent of getting rid of automobiles because I am totally sick of them. 
> I would really like to be able to leave my house without having to constantly 
> dodge speeding hunks of metal.
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Re: [FRIAM] Enamine

[Marcus Daniels]

Space-based weapons seem like a growth area too, as launch gets cheaper and 
cheaper.   Hypersonic missiles and interceptors are just a new arms race.

Seems like the only thing the US can agree on is when we hate someone.

On Mar 12, 2022, at 9:01 AM, Sarbajit Roy  wrote:


https://media.defense.gov/2020/Nov/23/2002540368/-1/-1/1/UNBEHAUEN.PDF

On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 10:26 PM Marcus Daniels 
mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
I think the Russian military recognized the growing potential to 1) thwart 
isolated uses of tactical nukes and 2) with no INF, recognized the potential of 
versatile, even transportable, surface-to-surface missiles on the Russian 
border.   Putin was running out of time for his tour of Ukraine.

I think I shall buy some LM stock.  It seems like a growth area.
On Mar 12, 2022, at 8:44 AM, Sarbajit Roy 
mailto:sroy...@gmail.com>> wrote:


If anything, these linked articles highlight the stranglehold US armament 
suppliers like Lockheed and Raytheon have over the US Government's 
international policies that they could get unilaterally abrogated the ABM 
treaty which held for 30 years.

On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 11:28 AM Marcus Daniels 
mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
EricS wrote:

< But extending NATO to frontier countries that you cannot practically defend 
without suicidal commitments, and whose offensive strategic value is not 
comparable to the defensive strategic loss of keeping your promise, seems like 
a template imprinted on a broad range of treaties by the MAD application.>

There are some defensive tools in Poland and Romania.  I think that’s part of 
what has been freaking Putin out.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/16/world/europe/poland-missile-base-russia-ukraine.html
https://news.usni.org/2016/05/12/aegis-ashore-site-in-romania-declared-operational
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29477/lets-talk-about-the-post-inf-treaty-u-s-test-of-a-ground-launched-tomahawk-missile

One could certainly see an Aegis Ashore system ending up in Ukraine, and given 
recent events, putting Tomahawks in MK41 launchers at those sites.
Note the trailer configuration in the last article.   At least as useful as 
some MiGs.

Putin is like Trump and accuses the thing he is guilty.   So it seems 
appropriate to make his fear a reality.

Marcus

From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On 
Behalf Of David Eric Smith
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 2:50 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Enamine

What you have below is well-articulated, Roger; I understand.


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Re: [FRIAM] International firm to invest $254M in ABQ hydrogen factory -- ABQ Journal

[Ed Angel]

One of the lessons we’ve learned from living in NM over 40 years is be 
suspicious of any economic development proposal from either oil and gas or the 
national labs. Here we have a technology supported by both. Sadly our present 
governor is another in a string of governors relying on the labs for guidence.

Ed

> On Mar 10, 2022, at 5:53 PM, Merle Lefkoff  > wrote:
> 
> I need assurance from somebody--anybody--that this is an incredibly bad idea 
> from a governor who drank some fatally spiked Kool-Aid. 
> 
> International firm to invest $254M in ABQ hydrogen factory
> 
> 
> 
> “This project puts New Mexico and Universal Hydrogen at the center of the 
> global effort to decarbonize transportation and aviation in particular,” 
> Lujan Grisham said in a statement. “Hydrogen, solar, wind and alternative 
> energy are job-rich industries and New Mexico’s partnerships with these 
> companies are part of a forward-thinking model to create a robust and 
> diversified economy, while being a part of the solution when it comes to a 
> changing climate.”
> 
>  
> 
> BY KEVIN ROBINSON-AVILA / JOURNAL STAFF WRITER 
> 
> PUBLISHED: THURSDAY, MARCH 10TH, 2022 AT 2:47PM
> UPDATED: THURSDAY, MARCH 10TH, 2022 AT 2:52PM
> 
>   
> 
> Universal Hydrogen — an international company with modular hydrogen storage 
> technology for planes, ground transportation and heavy manufacturing — will 
> invest $254 million in a new manufacturing and distribution center at the 
> Albuquerque International Sunport, potentially employing up to 500 people, 
> Gov. Michelle Lujan Grisham announced Thursday afternoon.The state will 
> contribute $10 million in Local Economic Development Act funding for the 
> project, which could have a $700 million economic impact here over the next 
> 10 years, according to the Governor’s Office, which held a news conference 
> Thursday at Hotel Albuquerque in Old Town to announce the project.
> 
> 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Enamine

[Sarbajit Roy]

https://media.defense.gov/2020/Nov/23/2002540368/-1/-1/1/UNBEHAUEN.PDF

On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 10:26 PM Marcus Daniels 
wrote:

> I think the Russian military recognized the growing potential to 1) thwart
> isolated uses of tactical nukes and 2) with no INF, recognized the
> potential of versatile, even transportable, surface-to-surface missiles on
> the Russian border.   Putin was running out of time for his tour of
> Ukraine.
>
> I think I shall buy some LM stock.  It seems like a growth area.
>
> On Mar 12, 2022, at 8:44 AM, Sarbajit Roy  wrote:
>
> 
> If anything, these linked articles highlight the stranglehold US armament
> suppliers like Lockheed and Raytheon have over the US Government's
> international policies that they could get unilaterally abrogated the ABM
> treaty which held for 30 years.
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 11:28 AM Marcus Daniels 
> wrote:
>
>> EricS wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> < But extending NATO to frontier countries that you cannot practically
>> defend without suicidal commitments, and whose offensive strategic value is
>> not comparable to the defensive strategic loss of keeping your promise,
>> seems like a template imprinted on a broad range of treaties by the MAD
>> application.>
>>
>>
>>
>> There are some defensive tools in Poland and Romania.  I think that’s
>> part of what has been freaking Putin out.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/16/world/europe/poland-missile-base-russia-ukraine.html
>>
>>
>> https://news.usni.org/2016/05/12/aegis-ashore-site-in-romania-declared-operational
>>
>>
>> https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29477/lets-talk-about-the-post-inf-treaty-u-s-test-of-a-ground-launched-tomahawk-missile
>>
>>
>>
>> One could certainly see an Aegis Ashore system ending up in Ukraine, and
>> given recent events, putting Tomahawks in MK41 launchers at those sites.
>>
>> Note the trailer configuration in the last article.   At least as useful
>> as some MiGs.
>>
>>
>>
>> Putin is like Trump and accuses the thing he is guilty.   So it seems
>> appropriate to make his fear a reality.
>>
>>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam  *On Behalf Of *David Eric Smith
>> *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2022 2:50 AM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam@redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Enamine
>>
>>
>>
>> What you have below is well-articulated, Roger; I understand.
>>
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Enamine

[Marcus Daniels]

I think the Russian military recognized the growing potential to 1) thwart 
isolated uses of tactical nukes and 2) with no INF, recognized the potential of 
versatile, even transportable, surface-to-surface missiles on the Russian 
border.   Putin was running out of time for his tour of Ukraine.

I think I shall buy some LM stock.  It seems like a growth area.
On Mar 12, 2022, at 8:44 AM, Sarbajit Roy  wrote:


If anything, these linked articles highlight the stranglehold US armament 
suppliers like Lockheed and Raytheon have over the US Government's 
international policies that they could get unilaterally abrogated the ABM 
treaty which held for 30 years.

On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 11:28 AM Marcus Daniels 
mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
EricS wrote:

< But extending NATO to frontier countries that you cannot practically defend 
without suicidal commitments, and whose offensive strategic value is not 
comparable to the defensive strategic loss of keeping your promise, seems like 
a template imprinted on a broad range of treaties by the MAD application.>

There are some defensive tools in Poland and Romania.  I think that’s part of 
what has been freaking Putin out.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/16/world/europe/poland-missile-base-russia-ukraine.html
https://news.usni.org/2016/05/12/aegis-ashore-site-in-romania-declared-operational
https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29477/lets-talk-about-the-post-inf-treaty-u-s-test-of-a-ground-launched-tomahawk-missile

One could certainly see an Aegis Ashore system ending up in Ukraine, and given 
recent events, putting Tomahawks in MK41 launchers at those sites.
Note the trailer configuration in the last article.   At least as useful as 
some MiGs.

Putin is like Trump and accuses the thing he is guilty.   So it seems 
appropriate to make his fear a reality.

Marcus

From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On 
Behalf Of David Eric Smith
Sent: Friday, March 11, 2022 2:50 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Enamine

What you have below is well-articulated, Roger; I understand.


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Re: [FRIAM] Enamine

[Sarbajit Roy]

If anything, these linked articles highlight the stranglehold US armament
suppliers like Lockheed and Raytheon have over the US Government's
international policies that they could get unilaterally abrogated the ABM
treaty which held for 30 years.

On Sat, Mar 12, 2022 at 11:28 AM Marcus Daniels 
wrote:

> EricS wrote:
>
>
>
> < But extending NATO to frontier countries that you cannot practically
> defend without suicidal commitments, and whose offensive strategic value is
> not comparable to the defensive strategic loss of keeping your promise,
> seems like a template imprinted on a broad range of treaties by the MAD
> application.>
>
>
>
> There are some defensive tools in Poland and Romania.  I think that’s part
> of what has been freaking Putin out.
>
>
>
>
> https://www.nytimes.com/2022/02/16/world/europe/poland-missile-base-russia-ukraine.html
>
>
> https://news.usni.org/2016/05/12/aegis-ashore-site-in-romania-declared-operational
>
>
> https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/29477/lets-talk-about-the-post-inf-treaty-u-s-test-of-a-ground-launched-tomahawk-missile
>
>
>
> One could certainly see an Aegis Ashore system ending up in Ukraine, and
> given recent events, putting Tomahawks in MK41 launchers at those sites.
>
> Note the trailer configuration in the last article.   At least as useful
> as some MiGs.
>
>
>
> Putin is like Trump and accuses the thing he is guilty.   So it seems
> appropriate to make his fear a reality.
>
>
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam  *On Behalf Of *David Eric Smith
> *Sent:* Friday, March 11, 2022 2:50 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Enamine
>
>
>
> What you have below is well-articulated, Roger; I understand.
>
>

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