Re: [FRIAM] Obligatory (and gratuitous?) screed about time changes.

[Gillian Densmore]

lol pretty much


On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 11:02 AM Steve Smith  wrote:

>
> On 11/5/22 10:50 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
>
> I'll leave this here then:
> http://web.archive.org/web/20160112000701/http://www.timecube.com/
> and no it doesn't make sense.
>
> Geeze Gil!  What are you trying to do to me?  That lead to some serious
> Klein-Bottle Navel-Gazing!
>
>
> On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 10:18 AM Steve Smith  wrote:
>
>> Good one Carl/Ken ...
>>
>> And don't even get me started on converting calendars and clocks to
>> *metric* (y'all know how much I prefer fractions over decimals for everyday
>> measures and calculations).
>>
>> As  a child, WWV was one of the very few constant signals I could tune in
>> on my parent's antique (even then) "Zenith Wave Magnet" they let me keep in
>> my bedroom... I can still see the dull orange glow seeping out of the back
>> of the set when the tubes were cooking...   now-adays when I fire it up I
>> also smell the dust burning off.   Deeply visceral... "beep, beep,
>> beep..."  WWV-Fort Collins.
>>
>> I haven't cared "much" about DST in any part of my life... it has just
>> been an opportunity to stir the pot and be contrarian about something I
>> know to be arbitrarily arbitrary really.   Same for metric/english/archaic
>> measures.  All those things exist for good reason even if they persist for
>> bad ones.
>> On 11/4/22 10:45 PM, Carl Tollander wrote:
>>
>> OK, then.  Ken Nordine on Time.
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVYpCdY4Y_0
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:33 PM Gillian Densmore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Protection_Act#:~:text=The%20bill%20received%20bipartisan%20support,consent%20on%20March%2015%2C%202022.
>>> steeeve
>>> It's a BFD to me because of GP. mucking about with the clock a ruining
>>> winter is dumb.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:26 PM glen  wrote:
>>>
 Honestly, I just don't get why it's such a big deal. Sure, it's
 obsolete. And maybe it kills a few people, raises cortisol, etc. But there
 are so many other things that affect our (sleep) cycles soo much more,
 like obesity, alcoholism, wage slavery, TikTok fomo, ... on and on. Passing
 such a law feels like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Or maybe
 complaining about how a reporter discussing Putin mispronounces "nukular"
 ... an odd thing to complain about while the ICBM heads your way.


 On 11/4/22 15:17, Steve Smith wrote:
 >
 > On 11/4/22 4:14 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
 >> Didn't the sunshine act already pass? but yes I agree I despise the
 clock change bull sh It takes effect next year unless Turtle neck had
 his usual tantrum.
 >
 >  From the linked article:
 >
 > /Earlier this year, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed bipartisan
 legislation to abolish clock changes and make daylight saving time
 permanent, beginning in 2023. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Florida,
 introducedthe Sunshine Protection Act <
 https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/623>//, and
 Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Oregon, was among the co-sponsors./
 >
 > /"Glad the Senate has passed the Sunshine Protection Act so
 Oregonians aren’t springing back & forth each year in a silly exercise that
 hurts everybody’s health & our economy," Wyden tweeted March 15. "Time now
 for the House to act."/
 >
 > /In June 2022, the U.S. House failed to pass the bill, which is
 now stalled and scheduled to expire in December./
 >
 > /Let the debate resume in March 2023./
 >
 >>
 >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:10 PM Steve Smith  wrote:
 >>
 >> as we all know I'm no fan of semi-annual clock changes... and I
 thought the Sunshine Act <
 https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/623>would put
 an end to that nonsense even if did fall on the "wrong side" with a
 year-round DST timesqew.   Looks like it is going to fail despite
 bipartisan support in the Senate (unsurprising that Florida, closest to the
 equator, effected least, would be the one to sponsor/promote it?)...
 >>
 >> Oregon (in coordination with CA/WA) have tried to take things
 into their own hands independent of the rest of the country?
 >>
 >>
 https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2022/11/03/oregon-daylight-saving-time-november-march/69613463007/
 >>
 >>
 >> I suppose I could live with the sqew and just change the idioms
 from 12 noon and 12 midnight to 11 noon and 11 midnight and call it a
 day/year/life.   Seems like it would just make more sense to sqew the 8-5
 (or 9-4) for bankers) an hour earlier instead, but what is the point of
 having a state/federal/global government if it isn't going to decide for
 you how we index time?
 >>


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Re: [FRIAM] Obligatory (and gratuitous?) screed about time changes.

[Steve Smith]

On 11/5/22 10:50 AM, Gillian Densmore wrote:

I'll leave this here then:
http://web.archive.org/web/20160112000701/http://www.timecube.com/
and no it doesn't make sense.


   Geeze Gil!  What are you trying to do to me?  That lead to some
   serious Klein-Bottle Navel-Gazing!



On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 10:18 AM Steve Smith  wrote:

Good one Carl/Ken ...

And don't even get me started on converting calendars and clocks
to *metric* (y'all know how much I prefer fractions over decimals
for everyday measures and calculations).

As  a child, WWV was one of the very few constant signals I could
tune in on my parent's antique (even then) "Zenith Wave Magnet"
they let me keep in my bedroom... I can still see the dull orange
glow seeping out of the back of the set when the tubes were
cooking...   now-adays when I fire it up I also smell the dust
burning off.   Deeply visceral... "beep, beep, beep..."  WWV-Fort
Collins.

I haven't cared "much" about DST in any part of my life... it has
just been an opportunity to stir the pot and be contrarian about
something I know to be arbitrarily arbitrary really.   Same for
metric/english/archaic measures.  All those things exist for good
reason even if they persist for bad ones.

On 11/4/22 10:45 PM, Carl Tollander wrote:

OK, then.  Ken Nordine on Time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVYpCdY4Y_0


On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:33 PM Gillian Densmore
 wrote:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Protection_Act#:~:text=The%20bill%20received%20bipartisan%20support,consent%20on%20March%2015%2C%202022.
steeeve
It's a BFD to me because of GP. mucking about with the clock
a ruining winter is dumb.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:26 PM glen  wrote:

Honestly, I just don't get why it's such a big deal.
Sure, it's obsolete. And maybe it kills a few people,
raises cortisol, etc. But there are so many other things
that affect our (sleep) cycles soo much more, like
obesity, alcoholism, wage slavery, TikTok fomo, ... on
and on. Passing such a law feels like rearranging the
deck chairs on the Titanic. Or maybe complaining about
how a reporter discussing Putin mispronounces "nukular"
... an odd thing to complain about while the ICBM heads
your way.


On 11/4/22 15:17, Steve Smith wrote:
>
> On 11/4/22 4:14 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
>> Didn't the sunshine act already pass? but yes I agree
I despise the clock change bull sh It takes effect
next year unless Turtle neck had his usual tantrum.
>
>  From the linked article:
>
>     /Earlier this year, the U.S. Senate unanimously
passed bipartisan legislation to abolish clock changes
and make daylight saving time permanent, beginning in
2023. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Florida, introducedthe
Sunshine Protection Act
//,
and Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Oregon, was among the co-sponsors./
>
>     /"Glad the Senate has passed the Sunshine
Protection Act so Oregonians aren’t springing back &
forth each year in a silly exercise that hurts
everybody’s health & our economy," Wyden tweeted March
15. "Time now for the House to act."/
>
>     /In June 2022, the U.S. House failed to pass the
bill, which is now stalled and scheduled to expire in
December./
>
>     /Let the debate resume in March 2023./
>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:10 PM Steve Smith
 wrote:
>>
>>     as we all know I'm no fan of semi-annual clock
changes... and I thought the Sunshine Act
would
put an end to that nonsense even if did fall on the
"wrong side" with a year-round DST timesqew. Looks like
it is going to fail despite bipartisan support in the
Senate (unsurprising that Florida, closest to the
equator, effected least, would be the one to
sponsor/promote it?)...
>>
>>     Oregon (in coordination with CA/WA) have tried to
take things into their own hands independent of the rest
of the country?
>>
>>

https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2022/11/03/oregon-daylight-saving-time-november-march/69613463007/
>>
>>
>>     I suppose I could live with the sqew and just
change the idioms from 12 noon and 12 

Re: [FRIAM] Obligatory (and gratuitous?) screed about time changes.

[Gillian Densmore]

I'll leave this here then:
http://web.archive.org/web/20160112000701/http://www.timecube.com/
and no it doesn't make sense.

On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 10:18 AM Steve Smith  wrote:

> Good one Carl/Ken ...
>
> And don't even get me started on converting calendars and clocks to
> *metric* (y'all know how much I prefer fractions over decimals for everyday
> measures and calculations).
>
> As  a child, WWV was one of the very few constant signals I could tune in
> on my parent's antique (even then) "Zenith Wave Magnet" they let me keep in
> my bedroom... I can still see the dull orange glow seeping out of the back
> of the set when the tubes were cooking...   now-adays when I fire it up I
> also smell the dust burning off.   Deeply visceral... "beep, beep,
> beep..."  WWV-Fort Collins.
>
> I haven't cared "much" about DST in any part of my life... it has just
> been an opportunity to stir the pot and be contrarian about something I
> know to be arbitrarily arbitrary really.   Same for metric/english/archaic
> measures.  All those things exist for good reason even if they persist for
> bad ones.
> On 11/4/22 10:45 PM, Carl Tollander wrote:
>
> OK, then.  Ken Nordine on Time.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVYpCdY4Y_0
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:33 PM Gillian Densmore 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Protection_Act#:~:text=The%20bill%20received%20bipartisan%20support,consent%20on%20March%2015%2C%202022.
>> steeeve
>> It's a BFD to me because of GP. mucking about with the clock a ruining
>> winter is dumb.
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:26 PM glen  wrote:
>>
>>> Honestly, I just don't get why it's such a big deal. Sure, it's
>>> obsolete. And maybe it kills a few people, raises cortisol, etc. But there
>>> are so many other things that affect our (sleep) cycles soo much more,
>>> like obesity, alcoholism, wage slavery, TikTok fomo, ... on and on. Passing
>>> such a law feels like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. Or maybe
>>> complaining about how a reporter discussing Putin mispronounces "nukular"
>>> ... an odd thing to complain about while the ICBM heads your way.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/4/22 15:17, Steve Smith wrote:
>>> >
>>> > On 11/4/22 4:14 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
>>> >> Didn't the sunshine act already pass? but yes I agree I despise the
>>> clock change bull sh It takes effect next year unless Turtle neck had
>>> his usual tantrum.
>>> >
>>> >  From the linked article:
>>> >
>>> > /Earlier this year, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed bipartisan
>>> legislation to abolish clock changes and make daylight saving time
>>> permanent, beginning in 2023. Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Florida,
>>> introducedthe Sunshine Protection Act <
>>> https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/623>//, and
>>> Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Oregon, was among the co-sponsors./
>>> >
>>> > /"Glad the Senate has passed the Sunshine Protection Act so
>>> Oregonians aren’t springing back & forth each year in a silly exercise that
>>> hurts everybody’s health & our economy," Wyden tweeted March 15. "Time now
>>> for the House to act."/
>>> >
>>> > /In June 2022, the U.S. House failed to pass the bill, which is
>>> now stalled and scheduled to expire in December./
>>> >
>>> > /Let the debate resume in March 2023./
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:10 PM Steve Smith  wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> as we all know I'm no fan of semi-annual clock changes... and I
>>> thought the Sunshine Act <
>>> https://www.congress.gov/bill/117th-congress/senate-bill/623>would put
>>> an end to that nonsense even if did fall on the "wrong side" with a
>>> year-round DST timesqew.   Looks like it is going to fail despite
>>> bipartisan support in the Senate (unsurprising that Florida, closest to the
>>> equator, effected least, would be the one to sponsor/promote it?)...
>>> >>
>>> >> Oregon (in coordination with CA/WA) have tried to take things
>>> into their own hands independent of the rest of the country?
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2022/11/03/oregon-daylight-saving-time-november-march/69613463007/
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> I suppose I could live with the sqew and just change the idioms
>>> from 12 noon and 12 midnight to 11 noon and 11 midnight and call it a
>>> day/year/life.   Seems like it would just make more sense to sqew the 8-5
>>> (or 9-4) for bankers) an hour earlier instead, but what is the point of
>>> having a state/federal/global government if it isn't going to decide for
>>> you how we index time?
>>> >>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Obligatory (and gratuitous?) screed about time changes.

[Steve Smith]

Good one Carl/Ken ...

And don't even get me started on converting calendars and clocks to 
*metric* (y'all know how much I prefer fractions over decimals for 
everyday measures and calculations).


As  a child, WWV was one of the very few constant signals I could tune 
in on my parent's antique (even then) "Zenith Wave Magnet" they let me 
keep in my bedroom... I can still see the dull orange glow seeping out 
of the back of the set when the tubes were cooking...   now-adays when I 
fire it up I also smell the dust burning off.   Deeply visceral... 
"beep, beep, beep..."  WWV-Fort Collins.


I haven't cared "much" about DST in any part of my life... it has just 
been an opportunity to stir the pot and be contrarian about something I 
know to be arbitrarily arbitrary really.   Same for 
metric/english/archaic measures.  All those things exist for good reason 
even if they persist for bad ones.


On 11/4/22 10:45 PM, Carl Tollander wrote:

OK, then.  Ken Nordine on Time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UVYpCdY4Y_0


On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:33 PM Gillian Densmore 
 wrote:



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sunshine_Protection_Act#:~:text=The%20bill%20received%20bipartisan%20support,consent%20on%20March%2015%2C%202022.
steeeve
It's a BFD to me because of GP. mucking about with the clock a
ruining winter is dumb.

On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:26 PM glen  wrote:

Honestly, I just don't get why it's such a big deal. Sure,
it's obsolete. And maybe it kills a few people, raises
cortisol, etc. But there are so many other things that affect
our (sleep) cycles soo much more, like obesity,
alcoholism, wage slavery, TikTok fomo, ... on and on. Passing
such a law feels like rearranging the deck chairs on the
Titanic. Or maybe complaining about how a reporter discussing
Putin mispronounces "nukular" ... an odd thing to complain
about while the ICBM heads your way.


On 11/4/22 15:17, Steve Smith wrote:
>
> On 11/4/22 4:14 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:
>> Didn't the sunshine act already pass? but yes I agree I
despise the clock change bull sh It takes effect next year
unless Turtle neck had his usual tantrum.
>
>  From the linked article:
>
>     /Earlier this year, the U.S. Senate unanimously passed
bipartisan legislation to abolish clock changes and make
daylight saving time permanent, beginning in 2023. Sen. Marco
Rubio, R-Florida, introducedthe Sunshine Protection Act
//,
and Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Oregon, was among the co-sponsors./
>
>     /"Glad the Senate has passed the Sunshine Protection Act
so Oregonians aren’t springing back & forth each year in a
silly exercise that hurts everybody’s health & our economy,"
Wyden tweeted March 15. "Time now for the House to act."/
>
>     /In June 2022, the U.S. House failed to pass the bill,
which is now stalled and scheduled to expire in December./
>
>     /Let the debate resume in March 2023./
>
>>
>> On Fri, Nov 4, 2022 at 4:10 PM Steve Smith
 wrote:
>>
>>     as we all know I'm no fan of semi-annual clock
changes... and I thought the Sunshine Act
would
put an end to that nonsense even if did fall on the "wrong
side" with a year-round DST timesqew.   Looks like it is going
to fail despite bipartisan support in the Senate (unsurprising
that Florida, closest to the equator, effected least, would be
the one to sponsor/promote it?)...
>>
>>     Oregon (in coordination with CA/WA) have tried to take
things into their own hands independent of the rest of the
country?
>>
>>

https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2022/11/03/oregon-daylight-saving-time-november-march/69613463007/
>>
>>
>>     I suppose I could live with the sqew and just change
the idioms from 12 noon and 12 midnight to 11 noon and 11
midnight and call it a day/year/life.   Seems like it would
just make more sense to sqew the 8-5 (or 9-4) for bankers) an
hour earlier instead, but what is the point of having a
state/federal/global government if it isn't going to decide
for you how we index time?
>>


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Re: [FRIAM] Obligatory (and gratuitous?) screed about time changes.

[David Eric Smith]

Could we split the difference and put it half-way between the two?

That way we would be an even number of hours offset from India.

> On Nov 4, 2022, at 6:09 PM, Steve Smith  wrote:
> 
> as we all know I'm no fan of semi-annual clock changes... and I thought the 
> Sunshine Act  
> would put an 
> end to that nonsense even if did fall on the "wrong side" with a year-round 
> DST timesqew.   Looks like it is going to fail despite bipartisan support in 
> the Senate (unsurprising that Florida, closest to the equator, effected 
> least, would be the one to sponsor/promote it?)...  
> 
> Oregon (in coordination with CA/WA) have tried to take things into their own 
> hands independent of the rest of the country?
> 
> https://www.statesmanjournal.com/story/news/2022/11/03/oregon-daylight-saving-time-november-march/69613463007/
>  
> 
> 
> I suppose I could live with the sqew and just change the idioms from 12 noon 
> and 12 midnight to 11 noon and 11 midnight and call it a day/year/life.   
> Seems like it would just make more sense to sqew the 8-5 (or 9-4) for 
> bankers) an hour earlier instead, but what is the point of having a 
> state/federal/global government if it isn't going to decide for you how we 
> index time?
> 
> 
> 
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