Re: [FRIAM] Mike Daly death?

2022-11-21 Thread Edward Angel 
He was there two Fridays ago but we exchanged email last week.

Ed

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> On Nov 21, 2022, at 11:39 PM, George Duncan  wrote:
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> 
> That was what I was trying to remember
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> 
> "Attempt what is not certain. Certainty may or may not come later. It may 
> then be a valuable delusion."
> From "Notes to myself on beginning a painting" by Richard Diebenkorn. 
> "It's that knife-edge of uncertainty where we come alive to our truest 
> power." Joanna Macy.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 8:24 PM Tom Johnson  wrote:
>> Did we see him this past Friday or was it a week earlier?
>> 
>> ===
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>>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022, 7:43 PM George Duncan  wrote:
>>> Sherry got the same message.  We have no other information. 
>>> 
 On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 2:46 PM Tom Johnson  wrote:
 We just got a message from Bob Martin, president of IAIA, that Mike Daly 
 died.  Mike and Ellen have been active supporters of IAIA for years.
 Does anyone have any details?
 Tom
 
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Re: [FRIAM] Mike Daly death?

2022-11-21 Thread George Duncan 
That was what I was trying to remember

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"Attempt what is not certain. Certainty may or may not come later. It may
then be a valuable delusion."
>From "Notes to myself on beginning a painting" by Richard Diebenkorn.

"It's that knife-edge of uncertainty where we come alive to our truest
power." Joanna Macy.




On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 8:24 PM Tom Johnson  wrote:

> Did we see him this past Friday or was it a week earlier?
>
> ===
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> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022, 7:43 PM George Duncan  wrote:
>
>> Sherry got the same message.  We have no other information.
>>
>> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 2:46 PM Tom Johnson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> We just got a message from Bob Martin, president of IAIA, that Mike Daly
>>> died.  Mike and Ellen have been active supporters of IAIA for years.
>>> Does anyone have any details?
>>> Tom
>>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Mike Daly death?

2022-11-21 Thread Tom Johnson 
Did we see him this past Friday or was it a week earlier?

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On Mon, Nov 21, 2022, 7:43 PM George Duncan  wrote:

> Sherry got the same message.  We have no other information.
>
> On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 2:46 PM Tom Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>> We just got a message from Bob Martin, president of IAIA, that Mike Daly
>> died.  Mike and Ellen have been active supporters of IAIA for years.
>> Does anyone have any details?
>> Tom
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Mike Daly death?

2022-11-21 Thread George Duncan 
Sherry got the same message.  We have no other information.

On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 2:46 PM Tom Johnson  wrote:

> We just got a message from Bob Martin, president of IAIA, that Mike Daly
> died.  Mike and Ellen have been active supporters of IAIA for years.
> Does anyone have any details?
> Tom
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>From "Notes to myself on beginning a painting" by Richard Diebenkorn.

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Re: [FRIAM] collective sheepishness

2022-11-21 Thread David Eric Smith 
I wonder if there are ADHD sheep, who always want to move because after a few 
seconds they are bored where they are.

In a random assignment of leadership (leadersheep?), the ADHD ones might show 
up to take the lead role much more often, since they want to move much more 
often.

Come to think of it, I wonder how Aeschylus believed this should have been 
navigated in early Athenian democracies.

Maybe sheep also manage reputational effects, and discount the constant 
agitation of the always-bored (?)

Eric



> On Nov 21, 2022, at 9:26 AM, Roger Critchlow  wrote:
> 
> From hackernews 
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41567-022-01769-8 
> 
> corrected link from comments to 
> "Sheep flocks alternate their leader and achieve collective intelligence"
> The secret sauce of american democracy.
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[FRIAM] Mike Daly death?

2022-11-21 Thread Tom Johnson 
We just got a message from Bob Martin, president of IAIA, that Mike Daly
died.  Mike and Ellen have been active supporters of IAIA for years.
Does anyone have any details?
Tom

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Re: [FRIAM] collective sheepishness

2022-11-21 Thread Jochen Fromm 
Nice find. The paper is from Luis Gómez-Nava et al. Luis is here in Berlin at 
Humboldt University (which is named after the two famous Humboldt brothers). A 
link to his paper can be found at his publication 
pagehttps://amor.cms.hu-berlin.de/~gomezlui/publications.html-J.
 Original message From: Roger Critchlow  Date: 
11/21/22  3:51 PM  (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee 
Group  Subject: [FRIAM] collective sheepishness From 
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from comments to "Sheep flocks alternate their leader and achieve collective 
intelligence"The secret sauce of american democracy.-- rec --
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Re: [FRIAM] collective sheepishness

2022-11-21 Thread Roger Critchlow 
Hmm, not apparently users of arxiv.org either.

Here are the raw videos of sheep in pastures, might be good bedtime
watching?  https://zenodo.org/record/6905807

In my experience, swarms are following the mouse, or chasing a randomly
fleeing agent, or just wandering around randomly, or following some
gradient of pheromone left by Guerin.  I honestly never thought sheep went
anywhere on purpose unless being herded.  But according to Wikipedia they
have dominance hierarchies in the flock and score as only slightly less
intelligent than pigs.

There are reports of a flock learning to cross a cattle guard by rolling
over the grid on their backs, though it may be a shaggy dog story.  It
sounds like a trick some bored kids on holiday might teach a flock.

I don't know how crowd leader selection goes.  It sounds like the
presumption was that the dominant sheep had the job until it got fired.
But this research suggests that sheep aren't so dogmatic.  In fact, you can
almost hear Graeber saying:  "see, even sheep aren't that attached to
dominance hierarchies"

-- rec --

On Mon, Nov 21, 2022 at 12:56 PM Steve Smith  wrote:

> Roger -
>
> From hackernews
> https://www.nature.com/articles/s41567-022-01769-8
> corrected link from comments to
> "Sheep flocks alternate their leader and achieve collective intelligence"
> The secret sauce of american democracy.
>
> -- rec --
>
> I wasn't able to read the (paywall) article, but was intrigued by the
> abstract's implications.
>
> The following concluding statement felt a little *projective*
>
> *Our analysis suggests that it is possible to conceive intermittent
> collective strategies that take advantage of both hierarchical and
> democratic organizational schemes.*
>
> But I assume the terms of question (democratic/hierarchical) are shortcuts
> for more subtle/complex concepts that they elaborate in the article.
>
> I'm not a close follower of Swarm literature but I assume there is already
> precedent for thinking about "leader election" (to defer to the democracy
> analogy)... maybe you or someone else has more insight into what they are
> saying here and how it fits into the larger body of study?
>
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Re: [FRIAM] collective sheepishness

2022-11-21 Thread Steve Smith 

Roger -

From hackernews
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41567-022-01769-8
corrected link from comments to
"Sheep flocks alternate their leader and achieve collective intelligence"
The secret sauce of american democracy.

-- rec --


I wasn't able to read the (paywall) article, but was intrigued by the 
abstract's implications.


The following concluding statement felt a little *projective*

   /Our analysis suggests that it is possible to conceive intermittent
   collective strategies that take advantage of both hierarchical and
   democratic organizational schemes./

But I assume the terms of question (democratic/hierarchical) are 
shortcuts for more subtle/complex concepts that they elaborate in the 
article.


I'm not a close follower of Swarm literature but I assume there is 
already precedent for thinking about "leader election" (to defer to the 
democracy analogy)... maybe you or someone else has more insight into 
what they are saying here and how it fits into the larger body of study?


- Steve
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[FRIAM] collective sheepishness

2022-11-21 Thread Roger Critchlow 
>From hackernews
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41567-022-01769-8
corrected link from comments to
"Sheep flocks alternate their leader and achieve collective intelligence"
The secret sauce of american democracy.

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