[FRIAM] New physicist in town

[Ron Newman]

I have met Jacques Mettes, a physicist who is interested in joining FRIAM
and WedTech.  I gave him the links to sign up for the mailing lists, but he
hasn't received replies.Jacques is interested, among other things, in
video processing with Xilinx FPGAs (Vivado, Vitis) and to exchange
experiences doing so.  His email is jacmet...@gmail.com .

Ron Newman, M.S., M.M.E.
www.RonPiano.com
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[FRIAM] experience monism

[Prof David West]

The eloquence and perspicacity of Professor Thompson has convinced me to become 
an *Experience* monist. In my naive sophomoric enthusiasm I have set about 
writing THE definitive work on *Experience*. But I have a few questions ...

1) Is an *Experience* a whole or a composite? I.e., (scent of cinnamon)—(heat 
of oven)—(grandmother's smile) OR (scent of cinnamon) + (heat of oven) + 
(grandmothers smile)? Another analogy a single photograph or a Photoshopped 
collage?
   1A) If an *Experience* is is a composite- there must be 'atomic' 
*Experience* from which it is composed. Is it possible to *Experience* and 
"atomic *Experience*" in isolation?

2) Does an *Experience* have duration, or is each *Experience* akin to a frame 
of a film and continuity simply an artifact of being presented at some rate; 
e.g., 30 frames per nanosecond?

3) Can *Experiences* be differentiated as "potential" and "actual?" To 
illustrate: I turn on the camera on my phone and images pass through the lens 
and appear on the screen, but a photograph does not come into existence until I 
press the shutter button. Does something similar happen with experience? They 
are potential until I "press the conscious awareness button" at which point 
they become actual?

4) Can *Experiences* be categorized? To borrow vocabulary (somewhat tortured( 
from Peter Sjostedt-Hughes' pentad of perception;
 * *Experience* grounded in/originating from the spatio-temporal environment 
(Sensed Experience)
 * *Experience* of an atemporal quality, e.g., color or scent (Perceived 
Experience)
 * An *Experience* partly caused by an external physicality—e.g., motion of 
molecules partly causative of the *Experience* of heat (Ecto-Physical 
Experience)
 * An *Experience* that is partly caused by an internal physicality—e.g., 
synapses firing in the brain (Endo-Physical Experience)
 * *Experiences* not grounded in/originating from the spatio-temporal 
environment, e.g., imaginations (Demeteption Experience)
 * A sixth, of my own, a variation of Endo-Physical, where the internal 
physicality is "disrupted," e.g., by taking a drug.
5) Does *Experience* 'exist' apart from an experiencer?
5A) if not, how can we have "common experiences"
5B) if yes, do we not have a faux monism, with two metaphysical things: 
experience and experiencer?

6) Do *Experiences* persist? Perhaps as memories?
6A) If yes, what exactly is the difference between an 
*Experience*-in-"memory" and one "being experienced?" Analogy to a computer 
program executing and the same program stored on disk.


I would have asked Professor Thompson these questions, but I fear he would have 
dismissed them as "tending not to edification."

davew

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Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT is not very smart...

[Jochen Fromm]

I've asked ChatGPT to "create a love poem in the style of the Bhagavad Gita 
about Krishna and Radha". It replied:Oh Krishna, dark as night,
But bright with love's celestial light.
Thou art the Lord of all the earth,
And yet, Radha, thou hath won thy worth.With flute in hand, thou playest sweet,
Charming all hearts, so kind and neat.
And Radha, thou art grace personified,
With love for Krishna, always by thy side.Oh love, divine, thou art above,
An ocean deep, a symbol of love.
With every beat of Krishna's drum,
Radha, thy love, it doth become.Inseparable, ye two are bound,
By love, the strongest force around.
Together, thou art whole and complete,
With love, the essence of life's beat.So let us sing of this great love,
That doth from both, so freely flow.
With Krishna and Radha, as our guide, May love, for us, forever abide.-J.
 Original message From: Sarbajit Roy  Date: 
2/4/23  1:55 PM  (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee 
Group  Subject: Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT is not very smart... I 
was asked to check out  https://bhagavadgita.ai/ , a ChatGPT powered website  
by its developers.This is my conversationKrishna17:54Radhey Radhey, I am 
Krishna! Go ahead and send me a message. You17:55bam bholeyKrishna17:55Radhey 
Radhey! I will only answer questions about the Bhagavad Gita and my 
teachings.You17:55What is your view on killing Brahmins ?Krishna17:56Killing 
Brahmins is strictly forbidden in the Bhagavad Gita. It is considered a great 
sin and is punishable by death. Killing any living being is considered a sin, 
and Brahmins are especially protected by the laws of dharma.You17:56Was Bhisam 
Pitamah a Brahmin ?Krishna17:56Radhey Radhey! According to the Mahabharata, 
Bhishma Pitamah was born of the Kshatriya caste, not the Brahmin 
caste.You17:57But Bhisam Pitamah was born to Goddess Ganga.Krishna17:57That is 
correct. According to the Mahabharata, Bhisam Pitamah was born to Goddess Ganga 
and was the grandfather of Arjuna.You17:57Then who was Bhisam Pitamah's real 
father ?Krishna17:57Radhey Radhey! According to the Mahabharata, Bhisam 
Pitamah's father was the sage Parashara.You17:58And what is the caste of sage 
Parashara ?Krishna17:58According to the Bhagavad Gita, sage Parashara was a 
Brahmin, or a member of the highest caste in Hinduism.You17:59So if Bhisham 
Pitamah's father was a Brahmin he must also be a Brahmin ?Krishna17:59According 
to the Bhagavad Gita, one's dharma is determined by their nature, their station 
in life, and their circumstances. It is important to understand one's own 
nature and to act in accordance with it. It is also important to understand the 
duties and responsibilities associated with one's station in life and to 
fulfill them with integrity and dedication.Observations:1. I can see it 
adapting to the user, eg. switching to my spelling of Bhisam Pitamah2. Like in 
the Paul Ginsparg example, it retreats to a defensive position when confused or 
caught in a contradiction.On Sat, Feb 4, 2023 at 3:54 AM Marcus Daniels 
 wrote:




$300M can’t hurt
















Slashdot

slashdot.org


















On Feb 2, 2023, at 12:36 PM, glen  wrote:




I like Anthropic's adversarial methods  and RALMs 
 look promising.

On 2/2/23 12:29, Marcus Daniels wrote:
Probably it will be possible with more training to give examples of internal 
consistency checks – filters – that should always be applied.   Before dropping 
into full gaslighting mode..

*From:* Friam  *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm

*Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2023 12:21 PM

*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 

*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT is not very smart...

It is remarkable that it is able to understand texts to this degree at all. And 
it is just as stubborn and stupid as we are, isn't it? What if we are large 
language models ourselves? :-/

I've asked it the same question:

Question: how many states in the united states have four letter names?

ChatGPT: There are 8 states in the United States that have four-letter names:

Iowa, Ohio, Utah, Maine, Texas, Idaho, Hawaii, Peru (Not in the US)

Remarkable. And Palm from Google has 5x more parameters than ChatGPT.

-J.

 Original message 

From: Barry MacKichan mailto:barry.mackic...@mackichan.com>>

Date: 2/2/23 8:07 PM (GMT+01:00)

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com>>

Subject: [FRIAM] ChatGPT is not very smart...

or is obsessed with four-letter words. From an email from another group. 
Paragraphs with an initial capital are ChatGPT’s responses. The others are 
input:

Chat GPT dialog, courtesy of Paul Ginsparg:

“how many states in the united states have four letter names?

“There are actually two states in the United States that have four-letter 
names: Iowa and Ohio. Both states were named after Native American words, with 
Iowa derived from the word 

Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT is not very smart...

[Sarbajit Roy]

I was asked to check out  https://bhagavadgita.ai/ , a ChatGPT powered
website  by its developers.

This is my conversation

Krishna
17:54
Radhey Radhey, I am Krishna! Go ahead and send me a message. 

You
17:55
bam bholey

Krishna
17:55
Radhey Radhey! I will only answer questions about the Bhagavad Gita and my
teachings.

You
17:55
What is your view on killing Brahmins ?

Krishna
17:56
Killing Brahmins is strictly forbidden in the Bhagavad Gita. It is
considered a great sin and is punishable by death. Killing any living being
is considered a sin, and Brahmins are especially protected by the laws of
dharma.

You
17:56
Was Bhisam Pitamah a Brahmin ?

Krishna
17:56
Radhey Radhey! According to the Mahabharata, Bhishma Pitamah was born of
the Kshatriya caste, not the Brahmin caste.

You
17:57
But Bhisam Pitamah was born to Goddess Ganga.

Krishna
17:57
That is correct. According to the Mahabharata, Bhisam Pitamah was born to
Goddess Ganga and was the grandfather of Arjuna.

You
17:57
Then who was Bhisam Pitamah's real father ?

Krishna
17:57
Radhey Radhey! According to the Mahabharata, Bhisam Pitamah's father was
the sage Parashara.

You
17:58
And what is the caste of sage Parashara ?

Krishna
17:58
According to the Bhagavad Gita, sage Parashara was a Brahmin, or a member
of the highest caste in Hinduism.

You
17:59
So if Bhisham Pitamah's father was a Brahmin he must also be a Brahmin ?

Krishna
17:59
According to the Bhagavad Gita, one's dharma is determined by their nature,
their station in life, and their circumstances. It is important to
understand one's own nature and to act in accordance with it. It is also
important to understand the duties and responsibilities associated with
one's station in life and to fulfill them with integrity and dedication.


Observations:
1. I can see it adapting to the user, eg. switching to my spelling of
Bhisam Pitamah
2. Like in the Paul Ginsparg example, it retreats to a defensive position
when confused or caught in a contradiction.


On Sat, Feb 4, 2023 at 3:54 AM Marcus Daniels  wrote:

> $300M can’t hurt
>
> Slashdot 
> slashdot.org 
> [image:
> apple-touch-icon-precomposed2X-e553cba2892b057428cabcdff1a372fc.png]
> 
> 
>
>
> On Feb 2, 2023, at 12:36 PM, glen  wrote:
>
> I like Anthropic's adversarial methods  and
> RALMs  look
> promising.
>
> On 2/2/23 12:29, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>
> Probably it will be possible with more training to give examples of
> internal consistency checks – filters – that should always be applied.
> Before dropping into full gaslighting mode..
>
> *From:* Friam  *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm
>
> *Sent:* Thursday, February 2, 2023 12:21 PM
>
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>
>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] ChatGPT is not very smart...
>
> It is remarkable that it is able to understand texts to this degree at
> all. And it is just as stubborn and stupid as we are, isn't it? What if we
> are large language models ourselves? :-/
>
> I've asked it the same question:
>
> Question: how many states in the united states have four letter names?
>
> ChatGPT: There are 8 states in the United States that have four-letter
> names:
>
> Iowa, Ohio, Utah, Maine, Texas, Idaho, Hawaii, Peru (Not in the US)
>
> Remarkable. And Palm from Google has 5x more parameters than ChatGPT.
>
> -J.
>
>  Original message 
>
> From: Barry MacKichan  barry.mackic...@mackichan.com>>
>
> Date: 2/2/23 8:07 PM (GMT+01:00)
>
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group  >
>
> Subject: [FRIAM] ChatGPT is not very smart...
>
> or is obsessed with four-letter words. From an email from another group.
> Paragraphs with an initial capital are ChatGPT’s responses. The others are
> input:
>
> Chat GPT dialog, courtesy of Paul Ginsparg:
>
> “how many states in the united states have four letter names?
>
> “There are actually two states in the United States that have four-letter
> names: Iowa and Ohio. Both states were named after Native American words,
> with Iowa derived from the word "ayuxba," which means "this is the place,"
> and Ohio coming from the Iroquois word "ohi-yo," meaning "great river.
>
> “what about utah?
>
> “Utah is not a four-letter word. It is a state in the western United
> States, named after the Ute tribe of Native Americans. The word "Utah" is
> derived from the Ute word "yuttahih," which means "people of the mountains."
>
> “how many letters does utah have?
>
> “The word "Utah" has four letters. It is the name of a state in the
> western United States, known for its natural beauty, including parks like
> Arches National Park and Bryce Canyon National Park. The state was named
> after the Ute tribe of Native Americans and has a rich history