Re: [FRIAM] local recommendations for cracked Iphone Glass?

2023-02-15 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Thank you, Kaz,

I will give them a try.

N

On Mon, Feb 13, 2023 at 3:31 PM Kasra Manavi  wrote:

> I’ve had good luck with Synergy Tech on 2nd Street (across from Backroads
> Pizza).
>
> It will likely not be an OEM replacement part (mine wasn’t), but it had
> decent fitment and I got an extra 2 years of life out of my iPhone 8.
>
> --
> Kasra “Kaz” Manavi, PhD
> Director of Research & Communications, Simtable
> (505) 450-9560 k...@simtable.com
> http://www.simtable.com
>
> On Feb 13, 2023, at 3:06 PM, Nicholas Thompson 
> wrote:
>
> ?
> Nick
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Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?

2023-02-15 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Sorry, Dave.  Will miss you.  You have been my most faithful recent
companion in my quest for windmills to topple. As for your double take, I
probably used the wrong initials. I was thinking about the AI thing which,
I gather, Bing is now employing to get us all advice on how to cure our
lumbago, without ever having to bother with that nasty Mayo Clinic website.


I see why you want to substitute “cloud” for my link metaphor. It’s easier
to think of clouds probabilistically.  Clouds are awfully passive entities
to serve in the way I need them to.  Clouds are not, in the first instance,
things but visualizations of things. (They can themselves become things,
but Idon’t think you have anticipated that metaphoric implication.)   my
”links” are more deterministic than your clouds. I admit that
“probabilistic link” is a hard image to think, and therefore not a very
evocative metaphor. How about ”woodland path”  Woodland pathways provide a
more dynamic image than “links”.  Started by a rabbit, adopted by a coyote,
exploited by a deer, blundered into by a cow, woodland pathways flourish or
fail by use and by the attractiveness of the nodes where they converge or
cross.  Each use favors future use and nodes become prominent not only for
their inherent attractiveness but because they are on the way to.
attractive nodes.  Thus Sublette KS is a well traveled node not only
because of the tourist attraction of visiting the place where the 1917-18
("spanish") flu got its start, but also because it happens to be on the
shortest route from NYC to LA.  .



 in thinking about this, we should focus on the animal case.  Humans are
too complicated to be interesting. Also, I think we should focus on animals
in currently living in their "environment of evolutionary adaptiveness."



I wish we could entice Glen, and Mike, and Stephen to drop in on us around
11 tomorrow,if only to show your faces. The node is
https://bit.ly/virtualfriam

Nick





*From:* Friam  *On Behalf Of *Prof David West
*Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 1:24 PM
*To:* friam@redfish.com
*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?



I will be traveling to Wisconsin tomorrow and miss Thuram.



2-cents: a word cloud might be a more useful metaphor than a semantic net,
just because of the formalisms employed in the latter. True a cloud lacks
explicit links, but such might be lightly sprinkled therein.



Did a huge double take at the last word in Nick's post. CBT, in one of the
communities I associate with, has a far different meaning than, I think,
Nick intended. And I would be 'they' used it first.



davew





On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, at 11:19 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:

FWiW, I willmake every effort to arrive fed to Thuam by 10.30 Mountain.  I
want to hear the experts among you hold forth on WTF a cateogory actually
IS.  I am thinking (duh) that a category is a more or less diffuse node in
a network of associations (signs, if you must).  Hence they constitute a
vast table of what goes with what, what is predictable from what, etc.
This accommodates “family resemblance”  quite nicely.  Do I think animals
have categories, in this sense, ABSOLUTELY EFFING YES. Does this make me a
(shudder) nominalist?  I hope not.

Words…nouns in particular… confuse this category business.  Words place
constraints on how vague these nodes can be.   They impose on the network
constraints to which it is ill suited.  True, the more my associations with
“horse” line up with your associations with “horse”, the more true the
horse seems.  Following Peirce, I would say that where our nodes
increasingly correspond with increasing shared experience, we have evidence
ot the (ultimate) truth of the nodes, their “reality” in Peirce’s terms.
Here is where I am striving to hang on to Peirce’s realism.

The reason I want the geeks to participate tomorrow is that I keep thinking
of a semantic webby thing that Steve devised for the Institute about a
decade ago.   Now a semantic web would be a kind of metaphor for an
associative web; don’t associate with other words in exactly the same
manner in which experiences associate with other experiences.  Still, I
think the metaphor is interesting.  Also, I am kind of re-interested in my
“authorial voice”, how much it operates like cbt.



Rushing,



Nick



*From:* Friam  *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles

*Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 10:29 AM

*To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 

*Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?



Well shoot. that would do it Thank you!







On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 12:28 PM Frank Wimberly  wrote:

Today is Wednesday, isn't it?

---

Frank C. Wimberly

140 Calle Ojo Feliz,

Santa Fe, NM 87505



505 670-9918

Santa Fe, NM



On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 10:19 AM Eric Charles 
wrote:

Are the Thursday online meetings still happening? I missed a few weeks due
to work piling up meetings on, but I'm trying to log in now, and it looks
like the meeting hasn't started.

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Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?

2023-02-15 Thread Frank Wimberly
Until recently the most common usage of "CBT" was to designate Cognitive
Behavioral Therapy.

---
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140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 1:24 PM Prof David West  wrote:

> I will be traveling to Wisconsin tomorrow and miss Thuram.
>
> 2-cents: a word cloud might be a more useful metaphor than a semantic net,
> just because of the formalisms employed in the latter. True a cloud lacks
> explicit links, but such might be lightly sprinkled therein.
>
> Did a huge double take at the last word in Nick's post. CBT, in one of the
> communities I associate with, has a far different meaning than, I think,
> Nick intended. And I would be 'they' used it first.
>
> davew
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, at 11:19 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> FWiW, I willmake every effort to arrive fed to Thuam by 10.30 Mountain.  I
> want to hear the experts among you hold forth on WTF a cateogory actually
> IS.  I am thinking (duh) that a category is a more or less diffuse node in
> a network of associations (signs, if you must).  Hence they constitute a
> vast table of what goes with what, what is predictable from what, etc.
> This accommodates “family resemblance”  quite nicely.  Do I think animals
> have categories, in this sense, ABSOLUTELY EFFING YES. Does this make me a
> (shudder) nominalist?  I hope not.
>
> Words…nouns in particular… confuse this category business.  Words place
> constraints on how vague these nodes can be.   They impose on the network
> constraints to which it is ill suited.  True, the more my associations with
> “horse” line up with your associations with “horse”, the more true the
> horse seems.  Following Peirce, I would say that where our nodes
> increasingly correspond with increasing shared experience, we have evidence
> ot the (ultimate) truth of the nodes, their “reality” in Peirce’s terms.
> Here is where I am striving to hang on to Peirce’s realism.
>
> The reason I want the geeks to participate tomorrow is that I keep
> thinking of a semantic webby thing that Steve devised for the Institute
> about a decade ago.   Now a semantic web would be a kind of metaphor for an
> associative web; don’t associate with other words in exactly the same
> manner in which experiences associate with other experiences.  Still, I
> think the metaphor is interesting.  Also, I am kind of re-interested in my
> “authorial voice”, how much it operates like cbt.
>
>
>
> Rushing,
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam  *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 10:29 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
>
>
>
> Well shoot. that would do it Thank you!
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 12:28 PM Frank Wimberly 
> wrote:
>
> Today is Wednesday, isn't it?
>
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 10:19 AM Eric Charles <
> eric.phillip.char...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Are the Thursday online meetings still happening? I missed a few weeks due
> to work piling up meetings on, but I'm trying to log in now, and it looks
> like the meeting hasn't started.
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?

2023-02-15 Thread Prof David West
I will be traveling to Wisconsin tomorrow and miss Thuram.

2-cents: a word cloud might be a more useful metaphor than a semantic net, just 
because of the formalisms employed in the latter. True a cloud lacks explicit 
links, but such might be lightly sprinkled therein.

Did a huge double take at the last word in Nick's post. CBT, in one of the 
communities I associate with, has a far different meaning than, I think, Nick 
intended. And I would be 'they' used it first.

davew


On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, at 11:19 AM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:
> FWiW, I willmake every effort to arrive fed to Thuam by 10.30 Mountain.  I 
> want to hear the experts among you hold forth on WTF a cateogory actually IS. 
>  I am thinking (duh) that a category is a more or less diffuse node in a 
> network of associations (signs, if you must).  Hence they constitute a vast 
> table of what goes with what, what is predictable from what, etc.  This 
> accommodates “family resemblance”  quite nicely.  Do I think animals have 
> categories, in this sense, ABSOLUTELY EFFING YES. Does this make me a 
> (shudder) nominalist?  I hope not. 
> Words…nouns in particular… confuse this category business.  Words place 
> constraints on how vague these nodes can be.   They impose on the network 
> constraints to which it is ill suited.  True, the more my associations with 
> “horse” line up with your associations with “horse”, the more true the horse 
> seems.  Following Peirce, I would say that where our nodes increasingly 
> correspond with increasing shared experience, we have evidence ot the 
> (ultimate) truth of the nodes, their “reality” in Peirce’s terms.  Here is 
> where I am striving to hang on to Peirce’s realism. 
> The reason I want the geeks to participate tomorrow is that I keep thinking 
> of a semantic webby thing that Steve devised for the Institute about a decade 
> ago.   Now a semantic web would be a kind of metaphor for an associative web; 
> don’t associate with other words in exactly the same manner in which 
> experiences associate with other experiences.  Still, I think the metaphor is 
> interesting.  Also, I am kind of re-interested in my “authorial voice”, how 
> much it operates like cbt.
>  
> Rushing,
>  
> Nick
>  
> *From:* Friam  *On Behalf Of *Eric Charles
> *Sent:* Wednesday, February 15, 2023 10:29 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?
> 
>  
> Well shoot. that would do it Thank you! 
> 
>  
>  
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 12:28 PM Frank Wimberly  wrote:
>> Today is Wednesday, isn't it?
>> ---
>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>> 
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>> 
>>  
>> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 10:19 AM Eric Charles  
>> wrote:
>>> Are the Thursday online meetings still happening? I missed a few weeks due 
>>> to work piling up meetings on, but I'm trying to log in now, and it looks 
>>> like the meeting hasn't started. 
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Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?

2023-02-15 Thread thompnickson2
FWiW, I willmake every effort to arrive fed to Thuam by 10.30 Mountain.  I want 
to hear the experts among you hold forth on WTF a cateogory actually IS.  I am 
thinking (duh) that a category is a more or less diffuse node in a network of 
associations (signs, if you must).  Hence they constitute a vast table of what 
goes with what, what is predictable from what, etc.  This accommodates “family 
resemblance”  quite nicely.  Do I think animals have categories, in this sense, 
ABSOLUTELY EFFING YES. Does this make me a (shudder) nominalist?  I hope not.  

Words…nouns in particular… confuse this category business.  Words place 
constraints on how vague these nodes can be.   They impose on the network 
constraints to which it is ill suited.  True, the more my associations with 
“horse” line up with your associations with “horse”, the more true the horse 
seems.  Following Peirce, I would say that where our nodes increasingly 
correspond with increasing shared experience, we have evidence ot the 
(ultimate) truth of the nodes, their “reality” in Peirce’s terms.  Here is 
where I am striving to hang on to Peirce’s realism.  

The reason I want the geeks to participate tomorrow is that I keep thinking of 
a semantic webby thing that Steve devised for the Institute about a decade ago. 
  Now a semantic web would be a kind of metaphor for an associative web; don’t 
associate with other words in exactly the same manner in which experiences 
associate with other experiences.  Still, I think the metaphor is interesting.  
Also, I am kind of re-interested in my “authorial voice”, how much it operates 
like cbt. 

 

Rushing, 

 

Nick 

 

From: Friam  On Behalf Of Eric Charles
Sent: Wednesday, February 15, 2023 10:29 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?

 

Well shoot. that would do it Thank you! 




 

 

On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 12:28 PM Frank Wimberly mailto:wimber...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Today is Wednesday, isn't it?

---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

 

On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 10:19 AM Eric Charles mailto:eric.phillip.char...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Are the Thursday online meetings still happening? I missed a few weeks due to 
work piling up meetings on, but I'm trying to log in now, and it looks like the 
meeting hasn't started. 

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Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?

2023-02-15 Thread Eric Charles
Well shoot. that would do it Thank you!



On Wed, Feb 15, 2023 at 12:28 PM Frank Wimberly  wrote:

> Today is Wednesday, isn't it?
>
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 10:19 AM Eric Charles <
> eric.phillip.char...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Are the Thursday online meetings still happening? I missed a few weeks
>> due to work piling up meetings on, but I'm trying to log in now, and it
>> looks like the meeting hasn't started.
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Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?

2023-02-15 Thread Santafe
That makes me feel so good, that I am not the only one who makes that kind of 
mistake publicly.

> On Feb 15, 2023, at 12:27 PM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:
> 
> Today is Wednesday, isn't it?
> 
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
> 
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
> 
> On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 10:19 AM Eric Charles  
> wrote:
> Are the Thursday online meetings still happening? I missed a few weeks due to 
> work piling up meetings on, but I'm trying to log in now, and it looks like 
> the meeting hasn't started. 
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Re: [FRIAM] Thuram still happening?

2023-02-15 Thread Frank Wimberly
Today is Wednesday, isn't it?

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Frank C. Wimberly
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On Wed, Feb 15, 2023, 10:19 AM Eric Charles 
wrote:

> Are the Thursday online meetings still happening? I missed a few weeks due
> to work piling up meetings on, but I'm trying to log in now, and it looks
> like the meeting hasn't started.
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[FRIAM] Thuram still happening?

2023-02-15 Thread Eric Charles
Are the Thursday online meetings still happening? I missed a few weeks due
to work piling up meetings on, but I'm trying to log in now, and it looks
like the meeting hasn't started.

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