Re: [FRIAM] vFriam
My preferred time would be 9:00 to 11:30. Feel free to poll the group. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Mar 2, 2023, 11:05 AM Nicholas Thompson wrote: > Ach! Frank. Sorry. I got here late even for me, and now I pretty much > have to go for a dentist appointment. > this is only going to get worse for me net week when ten oclock becomes > eleven oclock. > > With the onslaught of Daylight Saving Time in mind, perhaps we could ask > the list, if Thuam could occur at any time of day, ;what would be your > preferred time and what times would be acceptible? > > Nick > > On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 10:10 AM Frank Wimberly > wrote: > >> So far the only one who has arrived is Stephen, who has now left. If no >> one shows up by, say, 10:15 I will close the meeting and check in later but >> at no particular time. >> >> Frank >> >> -- >> Frank Wimberly >> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz >> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> 505 670-9918 >> >> Research: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 >> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: 5/2017 thru present >> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] vFriam
I hope things go well for you at the dentist. We'll try Thuram again next week. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Thu, Mar 2, 2023, 11:05 AM Nicholas Thompson wrote: > Ach! Frank. Sorry. I got here late even for me, and now I pretty much > have to go for a dentist appointment. > this is only going to get worse for me net week when ten oclock becomes > eleven oclock. > > With the onslaught of Daylight Saving Time in mind, perhaps we could ask > the list, if Thuam could occur at any time of day, ;what would be your > preferred time and what times would be acceptible? > > Nick > > On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 10:10 AM Frank Wimberly > wrote: > >> So far the only one who has arrived is Stephen, who has now left. If no >> one shows up by, say, 10:15 I will close the meeting and check in later but >> at no particular time. >> >> Frank >> >> -- >> Frank Wimberly >> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz >> Santa Fe, NM 87505 >> 505 670-9918 >> >> Research: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 >> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: 5/2017 thru present >> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] vFriam
Ach! Frank. Sorry. I got here late even for me, and now I pretty much have to go for a dentist appointment. this is only going to get worse for me net week when ten oclock becomes eleven oclock. With the onslaught of Daylight Saving Time in mind, perhaps we could ask the list, if Thuam could occur at any time of day, ;what would be your preferred time and what times would be acceptible? Nick On Thu, Mar 2, 2023 at 10:10 AM Frank Wimberly wrote: > So far the only one who has arrived is Stephen, who has now left. If no > one shows up by, say, 10:15 I will close the meeting and check in later but > at no particular time. > > Frank > > -- > Frank Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz > Santa Fe, NM 87505 > 505 670-9918 > > Research: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] i am a stochastic parrot, and so r u
Marcus shared: A third option is to think harder about what moral respect really means. Bender seemed to not think very deeply when it came to animals. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ai-artificial-intelligence-chatbots-emily-m-bender.html OMG! this article is deep, broad, dense and rich IMO . As I read through it (I started to skim the intro, maybe the summary, maybe a few words or quotes that stood out, but after the first paragraph or two got drawn into a full line-by-line read) I was drawn into what feels like the story behind the story. Still somewhat superficial in detail, but a level of detail more complete (depth and breadth) than what I have encountered casually. Folks here probably know a great deal of the referents this article uses but much of it was very new to me. I found at least a dozen paragraphs/passages/points-made that seemed highly relevant to FriAM threads of (mostly recent in non-internet time) yore: * DaveW's complaints about the machine-metaphor for (human?) consciousness (or mind?) * GlenR's assertions about (and please correct me because I am wrong) about the illusion that communication exists * The analogy of AI artifacts as "counterfeit people" opposite how we treat counterfeit money and how perhaps News Talking Heads (see assertions of "fake news" and the recent spate of exposures of Faux's deep duplicity in these matters), and politicians (notably George Santos, but many other variants) are already "counterfeit people". * Repeated references to the implications of AI artifacts not being about the artifacts (and their actual abilities) but our individual and collective reactions to them, and the "world we create" (referencing intersubjectivity) in response. * As a meta-point to the last, one quote was o /“From here on out, the safe use of artificial intelligence requires demystifying the human condition,” Joanna Bryson/ * Arguments against "Artificial People" parallel the arguments about Corporations (not) being People for legal/regulatory/free-speech purposes. * Are AI artifacts tools or peers? The Valorization of fooling people elevates the latter (to a fault) while undermining the former. * The personhood argument confounds/conflates (for better/worse) the same arguments around how we relate to "lesser" animals and presumably inanimate objects (rivers, forests, oceans, the biosphere). * As we (might) try to make AI artifacts accountable/responsible we might be hitting a conflation with old models of human slavery and chattelization of subgroups. e.g. Shadow/fractional-status, etc. * And a pointed quote for the Transhumanist/Singularians among us I understand why you might want to deny/escape/transcend this: o /"//It’s hard being a human. You lose people you love. You suffer and yearn. Your body breaks down. You want things — you want people — you can’t control."/ * This last quote was followed by some pointed points about narcissism.// * /blah blah blah, ad nauseum / -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] vFriam
So far the only one who has arrived is Stephen, who has now left. If no one shows up by, say, 10:15 I will close the meeting and check in later but at no particular time. Frank -- Frank Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Research: https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
[FRIAM] i am a stochastic parrot, and so r u
A third option is to think harder about what moral respect really means. Bender seemed to not think very deeply when it came to animals. https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/ai-artificial-intelligence-chatbots-emily-m-bender.html -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
