Re: [FRIAM] Bing Chat vs ChatGPT

[Marcus Daniels]

Huh, I'm still on a waiting list for Bing Chat.

Marcus

From: Friam  on behalf of Jochen Fromm 

Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 12:12 PM
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Subject: [FRIAM] Bing Chat vs ChatGPT

I've read that Bing Chat is now available for everyone in this blog post..
https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2023/03/14/Binging

..and it really seems to be available now for everyone. I have tried it and it 
feels horrible though. The overall experience is totally different from 
ChatGPT. Bing Chat is stubborn and repetitive. Do you remember Clippy the 
office assistant? Bing Chat is like Clippy: it is simply annoying. And if you 
say something that it doesn't like it aborts the conversation abruptly. 
Microsoft took something valuable and ruined it.

-J.

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Re: [FRIAM] Bing Chat vs ChatGPT

[Pieter Steenekamp]

I use both chatGPT (chat.openai.com) and Bing Chat and I use them for
different use cases.
If I want help to phrase my writing better, I use chatGPT. I would
typically write a paragraph and ask chatGPT to rephrase it. I'm not good
with expressing myself using natural language and I find chatGPT's help
very useful. For those people who are gifted with the skills to use natural
language well it will probably be just annoying.
If I just want to do an internet search, I use Bing AI. I find it much more
useful and accurate than a Google search. It gives a short summary of the
results and references that's relatively easy to check. It's far from
perfect, but for this purpose I find it significantly better than Google
search.

On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 at 20:13, Jochen Fromm  wrote:

> I've read that Bing Chat is now available for everyone in this blog post..
> https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2023/03/14/Binging
>
> ..and it really seems to be available now for everyone. I have tried it
> and it feels horrible though. The overall experience is totally different
> from ChatGPT. Bing Chat is stubborn and repetitive. Do you remember Clippy
> the office assistant? Bing Chat is like Clippy: it is simply annoying. And
> if you say something that it doesn't like it aborts the conversation
> abruptly. Microsoft took something valuable and ruined it.
>
> -J.
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Bing Chat vs ChatGPT

[Gillian Densmore]

On Mon, Mar 20, 2023 at 12:13 PM Jochen Fromm  wrote:

> I've read that Bing Chat is now available for everyone in this blog post..
> https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2023/03/14/Binging
>
> ..and it really seems to be available now for everyone. I have tried it
> and it feels horrible though. The overall experience is totally different
> from ChatGPT. Bing Chat is stubborn and repetitive. Do you remember Clippy
> the office assistant? Bing Chat is like Clippy: it is simply annoying. And
> if you say something that it doesn't like it aborts the conversation
> abruptly. Microsoft took something valuable and ruined it.
>
> -J.
> Aka MicrSoft as usual.
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Re: [FRIAM] looks like my DOS attacks (or DDOS if you include everyone else like me) worked!

[Jochen Fromm]

Maybe Bing Chat takes revenge at ChatGPT... Sounds strange? Not after reading 
this 
article...https://www.iflscience.com/gpt-4-hires-and-manipulates-human-into-passing-captcha-test-68016-J.
 Original message From: Steve Smith  Date: 
3/20/23  8:58 PM  (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee 
Group  Subject: [FRIAM] looks like my DOS attacks (or DDOS 
if you include everyone else like me) worked! 

  Or maybe something less (more)
nefarious?  
  
  chat.openai.com
is down
  Incident Report for OpenAI
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Identified

  We have identified the root cause the issue and are working on 
resolution.
  Posted 55 minutes
  ago. Mar 20, 2023 - 11:58 PDT

  
  
Update

  We're continuing to investigate the source of the outage.
  Posted 2 hours
  ago. Mar 20, 2023 - 10:58 PDT

  
  
Investigating

  We are investigating an issue with the ChatGPT web experience.
  Posted 3 hours
  ago. Mar 20, 2023 - 09:41 PDT

  
  
  


  

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[FRIAM] looks like my DOS attacks (or DDOS if you include everyone else like me) worked!

[Steve Smith]

Or maybe something less (more) nefarious?
chat.openai.com is down
Incident Report forOpenAI 
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Identified
We have identified the root cause the issue and are working on resolution.
Posted55minutes ago.Mar20,2023-11:58PDT
Update
We're continuing to investigate the source of the outage.
Posted2hours ago.Mar20,2023-10:58PDT
Investigating
We are investigating an issue with the ChatGPT web experience.
Posted3hours ago.Mar20,2023-09:41PDT

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Re: [FRIAM] Bing Chat vs ChatGPT

[Jochen Fromm]

Maybe my mistake was that I tried to chat with Bing Chat. It is called Bing 
Chat, but although it is called like this, it is not good at doing at "chat". 
ChatGPT is much better when it comes to chatting.Both are good at summarizing 
large texts in an instant. Microsoft should have called it "AI assisted search" 
or something like that, not Bing Chat. Bing Chat is good at executing searches 
and then summarizing them. It is bad in chatting.Google will probably learn 
from Microsoft's mistakes. I am curious what their solution will look like. -J.
 Original message From: Steve Smith  Date: 
3/20/23  7:47 PM  (GMT+01:00) To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Bing 
Chat vs ChatGPT I haven't tried BingChat yet, but I guess I'm not surprised at 
your (Jochen) experience and in particular the recapitulation of the Clippy  
experience.This is why *I* didn't double down on my (already zero) stock 
investments in Microsoft ...   even if OpenAI (now heavily owned by MS?) 
is in the lead by many measures, I don't have a lot of confidence that MS will 
deliver it to the masses in nearly as clever of a way as they might or someone 
else will.Maybe technological prowess is all that matters if we really are deep 
into the power-band of the Kurzweilian Singularity, but if in fact we are still 
in the "clutch slipping to convert raw power to torque" phase, then  human 
engagement is a bit more critical/central.   I find Google on-average does a 
hugely better job than MS and Apple slam-dunks them both in this mode."yet 
another" player might swoop in and scoop them all?   Amazon is an obvious 
poised contender and already has a huge piece of the market's attention with 
Alexa on one hand and with the "shopping" domain on the other.   There are 
probably other (non) obvious contenders poised to kick the chair-legs out of 
the modern "digital robber barons"?   MuskCorp 
(Tesla/SpaceX/Neuralink/Boring/Twitter???) seems like another one to watch out 
for...   the list probably is open ended (uncountable but not in the set 
theoretic sense).I've dorked quite a bit with GPT4 now and am equally impressed 
and depressed by it.   I won't bore the room with my myriad experiences to 
date, but suffice it to say that I'm not looking over my shoulder to make sure 
that the AI Overlord is about to grind me under it's digital bootheel, although 
I *do* suspect that my life and those who are yet-more-engaged in societies 
demands and opportuities will find the world a bit askew if not totally 
topsy-turvey within a very few years or very many months.   The old phrase 
"Internet-time" (circa 2000?) has a whole new scale perhaps?> I've read that 
Bing Chat is now available for everyone in this blog post..> 
https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2023/03/14/Binging>> ..and it really 
seems to be available now for everyone. I have tried > it and it feels horrible 
though. The overall experience is totally > different from ChatGPT. Bing Chat 
is stubborn and repetitive. Do you > remember Clippy the office assistant? Bing 
Chat is like Clippy: it is > simply annoying. And if you say something that it 
doesn't like it > aborts the conversation abruptly. Microsoft took something 
valuable > and ruined it.>> -J.>>> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. 
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Re: [FRIAM] Bing Chat vs ChatGPT

[Steve Smith]

I haven't tried BingChat yet, but I guess I'm not surprised at your 
(Jochen) experience and in particular the recapitulation of the Clippy  
experience.


This is why *I* didn't double down on my (already zero) stock 
investments in Microsoft ...   even if OpenAI (now heavily owned 
by MS?) is in the lead by many measures, I don't have a lot of 
confidence that MS will deliver it to the masses in nearly as clever of 
a way as they might or someone else will.


Maybe technological prowess is all that matters if we really are deep 
into the power-band of the Kurzweilian Singularity, but if in fact we 
are still in the "clutch slipping to convert raw power to torque" phase, 
then  human engagement is a bit more critical/central.   I find Google 
on-average does a hugely better job than MS and Apple slam-dunks them 
both in this mode.


"yet another" player might swoop in and scoop them all?   Amazon is an 
obvious poised contender and already has a huge piece of the market's 
attention with Alexa on one hand and with the "shopping" domain on the 
other.   There are probably other (non) obvious contenders poised to 
kick the chair-legs out of the modern "digital robber barons"?   
MuskCorp (Tesla/SpaceX/Neuralink/Boring/Twitter???) seems like another 
one to watch out for...   the list probably is open ended (uncountable 
but not in the set theoretic sense).


I've dorked quite a bit with GPT4 now and am equally impressed and 
depressed by it.   I won't bore the room with my myriad experiences to 
date, but suffice it to say that I'm not looking over my shoulder to 
make sure that the AI Overlord is about to grind me under it's digital 
bootheel, although I *do* suspect that my life and those who are 
yet-more-engaged in societies demands and opportuities will find the 
world a bit askew if not totally topsy-turvey within a very few years or 
very many months.   The old phrase "Internet-time" (circa 2000?) has a 
whole new scale perhaps?




I've read that Bing Chat is now available for everyone in this blog post..
https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2023/03/14/Binging

..and it really seems to be available now for everyone. I have tried 
it and it feels horrible though. The overall experience is totally 
different from ChatGPT. Bing Chat is stubborn and repetitive. Do you 
remember Clippy the office assistant? Bing Chat is like Clippy: it is 
simply annoying. And if you say something that it doesn't like it 
aborts the conversation abruptly. Microsoft took something valuable 
and ruined it.


-J.


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[FRIAM] Bing Chat vs ChatGPT

[Jochen Fromm]

I've read that Bing Chat is now available for everyone in this blog 
post..https://www.tbray.org/ongoing/When/202x/2023/03/14/Binging..and it really 
seems to be available now for everyone. I have tried it and it feels horrible 
though. The overall experience is totally different from ChatGPT. Bing Chat is 
stubborn and repetitive. Do you remember Clippy the office assistant? Bing Chat 
is like Clippy: it is simply annoying. And if you say something that it doesn't 
like it aborts the conversation abruptly. Microsoft took something valuable and 
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