Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

2024-01-25 Thread Marcus Daniels 
Does ChatGPT have choices?

From: Friam  On Behalf Of Stephen Guerin
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 3:36 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

Anyone interested in feeding FRIAM Archive to a custom LLM. :-)

Prompt: Interpret Marcus use of gdb analogy in this thread:

GPT:
The analogy used by Marcus in the context of the TV show "Breaking Bad" and the 
concept of free will involves a comparison with using the "step" command in GDB 
(GNU Debugger). GDB is a tool used by programmers to debug code. The "step" 
command in GDB allows the user to execute program code one line at a time, 
observing the behavior and state of the program at each step.

In "Breaking Bad," the main character, Walter White, is drawn into a life of 
crime. The analogy suggests that watching Walter White's descent into this life 
is like using the "step" command in GDB. Each step represents a decision or 
action taken by Walter, leading him deeper into the criminal world. Just as a 
programmer observes the progression of a program one step at a time in GDB, the 
viewer observes Walter's journey into criminality in a step-by-step manner.

The implication here is that Walter's choices, while appearing to be individual 
conscious decisions, are part of an inevitable progression, much like the 
sequential execution of code in a debugger. This raises questions about free 
will and determinism, mirroring the discussion in the FRIAM group about whether 
free will is an illusion, especially in the context of strong compulsions or 
character traits that might limit one's range of choices.

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Harvard Visualization Research and Teaching Lab
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On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 4:20 PM Frank Wimberly 
mailto:wimber...@gmail.com>> wrote:
GNU Debugger?

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On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 4:11 PM Marcus Daniels 
mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
Walter White was drawn into that life as sure as water runs downhill.
Watching him go deeper and deeper was like repeating “step” in GDB.

From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On 
Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 1:34 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
Subject: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

Since one of you mentioned today that free will is a recurring FRIAM topic I 
was thinking about it and found this SCIAM article that argues that human 
beings do have the power to make conscious choices.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/free-will-is-only-an-illusion-if-you-are-too/

On the other hand the drug addicts in Breaking Bad and elsewhere clearly 
demonstrate that drug addiction inevitably takes away our free will and 
replaces it by a strong compulsion to get and consume the drug, no matter how 
devastating the consequences are.

Robert McKee says in his book "Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the 
Principles of Screenwriting" that true character is revealed in the choices a 
human being makes under pressure. Could you say that a strong character or 
personality reduce our free will too, because they restrict our choices and 
decisions?

-J.

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Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

2024-01-25 Thread Marcus Daniels 
Yes, the path unclear but the steps certain given the context.

From: Friam  On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 3:20 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

GNU Debugger?

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505 670-9918
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On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 4:11 PM Marcus Daniels 
mailto:mar...@snoutfarm.com>> wrote:
Walter White was drawn into that life as sure as water runs downhill.
Watching him go deeper and deeper was like repeating “step” in GDB.

From: Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> On 
Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 1:34 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
Subject: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

Since one of you mentioned today that free will is a recurring FRIAM topic I 
was thinking about it and found this SCIAM article that argues that human 
beings do have the power to make conscious choices.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/free-will-is-only-an-illusion-if-you-are-too/

On the other hand the drug addicts in Breaking Bad and elsewhere clearly 
demonstrate that drug addiction inevitably takes away our free will and 
replaces it by a strong compulsion to get and consume the drug, no matter how 
devastating the consequences are.

Robert McKee says in his book "Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the 
Principles of Screenwriting" that true character is revealed in the choices a 
human being makes under pressure. Could you say that a strong character or 
personality reduce our free will too, because they restrict our choices and 
decisions?

-J.

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Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

2024-01-25 Thread Stephen Guerin 
Anyone interested in feeding FRIAM Archive to a custom LLM. :-)

Prompt: Interpret Marcus use of gdb analogy in this thread:

GPT:
The analogy used by Marcus in the context of the TV show "Breaking Bad" and
the concept of free will involves a comparison with using the "step"
command in GDB (GNU Debugger). GDB is a tool used by programmers to debug
code. The "step" command in GDB allows the user to execute program code one
line at a time, observing the behavior and state of the program at each
step.

In "Breaking Bad," the main character, Walter White, is drawn into a life
of crime. The analogy suggests that watching Walter White's descent into
this life is like using the "step" command in GDB. Each step represents a
decision or action taken by Walter, leading him deeper into the criminal
world. Just as a programmer observes the progression of a program one step
at a time in GDB, the viewer observes Walter's journey into criminality in
a step-by-step manner.

The implication here is that Walter's choices, while appearing to be
individual conscious decisions, are part of an inevitable progression, much
like the sequential execution of code in a debugger. This raises questions
about free will and determinism, mirroring the discussion in the FRIAM
group about whether free will is an illusion, especially in the context of
strong compulsions or character traits that might limit one's range of
choices.

CEO Founder, Simtable.com
stephen.gue...@simtable.com

Harvard Visualization Research and Teaching Lab
stephengue...@fas.harvard.edu

mobile: (505)577-5828

On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 4:20 PM Frank Wimberly  wrote:

> GNU Debugger?
>
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 4:11 PM Marcus Daniels  wrote:
>
>> Walter White was drawn into that life as sure as water runs downhill.
>>  Watching him go deeper and deeper was like repeating “step” in GDB.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam  *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm
>> *Sent:* Thursday, January 25, 2024 1:34 PM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam@redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will
>>
>>
>>
>> Since one of you mentioned today that free will is a recurring FRIAM
>> topic I was thinking about it and found this SCIAM article that argues that
>> human beings do have the power to make conscious choices.
>>
>> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/free-will-is-only-an-illusion-if-you-are-too/
>>
>> On the other hand the drug addicts in Breaking Bad and elsewhere clearly
>> demonstrate that drug addiction inevitably takes away our free will and
>> replaces it by a strong compulsion to get and consume the drug, no matter
>> how devastating the consequences are.
>>
>>
>>
>> Robert McKee says in his book "Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the
>> Principles of Screenwriting" that true character is revealed in the choices
>> a human being makes under pressure. Could you say that a strong character
>> or personality reduce our free will too, because they restrict our choices
>> and decisions?
>>
>>
>>
>> -J.
>>
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Please join Zoom meeting in progress Virtual Friam

2024-01-25 Thread Frank Wimberly 
Who is "mom"?  The only one I know who is currently called that is Flor.
If we had been as strict with her as she is with her 3 kids a murder would
have occurred.

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On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 4:23 PM Frank Wimberly  wrote:

> Merle said she was in Santa Fe.  She's very excited about creating a new
> academic field called Peace Engineering.  She mentioned going to Sweden,
> Libya etc and is very involved in thinking about Gaza.
>
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 4:20 PM Nicholas Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>> That sounds interesting. I am sorry I missed it. How is mom? Where is
>> Merle?
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 4:15 PM Frank Wimberly 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, we missed you.  Jochen joined briefly.  Stephen, Merle, Barry were
>>> also there.
>>>
>>> I'm sorry about the hassle of the dental work.  It'll be worth it.
>>>
>>> Frank
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Frank C. Wimberly
>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>>
>>> 505 670-9918
>>> Santa Fe, NM
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 1:47 PM Nicholas Thompson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi, Frank,

 I was hoping to join you for a bit today but a super long dentist
 appointment intruded. sscrewing and screwing unscrewing and screwing
 unscrewin and screwing. An hour and a half. Exhausting but not painful
 open, open more open bit more. Absent the apocalypse, I should get my new
 teeth bolted in on February 15.

 Next week I promise to do look in on thuam

 All the best

 N

 Sent from my Dumb Phone

 On Jan 25, 2024, at 9:08 AM, Frank Wimberly 
 wrote:

 
 Join Zoom Meeting
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 Meeting ID:  255 049 879

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Re: [FRIAM] Please join Zoom meeting in progress Virtual Friam

2024-01-25 Thread Frank Wimberly 
Merle said she was in Santa Fe.  She's very excited about creating a new
academic field called Peace Engineering.  She mentioned going to Sweden,
Libya etc and is very involved in thinking about Gaza.

---
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140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 4:20 PM Nicholas Thompson 
wrote:

> That sounds interesting. I am sorry I missed it. How is mom? Where is
> Merle?
>
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 4:15 PM Frank Wimberly 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, we missed you.  Jochen joined briefly.  Stephen, Merle, Barry were
>> also there.
>>
>> I'm sorry about the hassle of the dental work.  It'll be worth it.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> ---
>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 1:47 PM Nicholas Thompson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Frank,
>>>
>>> I was hoping to join you for a bit today but a super long dentist
>>> appointment intruded. sscrewing and screwing unscrewing and screwing
>>> unscrewin and screwing. An hour and a half. Exhausting but not painful
>>> open, open more open bit more. Absent the apocalypse, I should get my new
>>> teeth bolted in on February 15.
>>>
>>> Next week I promise to do look in on thuam
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> N
>>>
>>> Sent from my Dumb Phone
>>>
>>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 9:08 AM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:
>>>
>>> 
>>> Join Zoom Meeting
>>> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/255049879
>>>
>>> Meeting ID:  255 049 879
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> One tap mobile
>>> +17193594580,,255049879# US
>>> +12532050468,,255049879# US
>>>
>>> ---
>>>
>>> Dial by your location
>>> • +1 719 359 4580 US
>>> • +1 253 205 0468 US
>>> • +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma)
>>> • +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston)
>>> • +1 669 444 9171 US
>>> • +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)
>>> • +1 360 209 5623 US
>>> • +1 386 347 5053 US
>>> • +1 507 473 4847 US
>>> • +1 564 217 2000 US
>>> • +1 646 558 8656 US (New York)
>>> • +1 646 931 3860 US
>>> • +1 689 278 1000 US
>>> • +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC)
>>> • +1 305 224 1968 US
>>> • +1 309 205 3325 US
>>> • +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago)
>>>
>>> Meeting ID:  255 049 879
>>>
>>> Find your local number: https://us02web.zoom.us/u/kd88R99Oxz
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Please join Zoom meeting in progress Virtual Friam

2024-01-25 Thread Nicholas Thompson 
Uh “merle…”


On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 4:19 PM Nicholas Thompson 
wrote:

> That sounds interesting. I am sorry I missed it. How is mom? Where is
> Merle?
>
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 4:15 PM Frank Wimberly 
> wrote:
>
>> Yes, we missed you.  Jochen joined briefly.  Stephen, Merle, Barry were
>> also there.
>>
>> I'm sorry about the hassle of the dental work.  It'll be worth it.
>>
>> Frank
>>
>> ---
>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 1:47 PM Nicholas Thompson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, Frank,
>>>
>>> I was hoping to join you for a bit today but a super long dentist
>>> appointment intruded. sscrewing and screwing unscrewing and screwing
>>> unscrewin and screwing. An hour and a half. Exhausting but not painful
>>> open, open more open bit more. Absent the apocalypse, I should get my new
>>> teeth bolted in on February 15.
>>>
>>> Next week I promise to do look in on thuam
>>>
>>> All the best
>>>
>>> N
>>>
>>> Sent from my Dumb Phone
>>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

2024-01-25 Thread Frank Wimberly 
GNU Debugger?

---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 4:11 PM Marcus Daniels  wrote:

> Walter White was drawn into that life as sure as water runs downhill.
>  Watching him go deeper and deeper was like repeating “step” in GDB.
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam  *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm
> *Sent:* Thursday, January 25, 2024 1:34 PM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Subject:* [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will
>
>
>
> Since one of you mentioned today that free will is a recurring FRIAM topic
> I was thinking about it and found this SCIAM article that argues that human
> beings do have the power to make conscious choices.
>
> https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/free-will-is-only-an-illusion-if-you-are-too/
>
> On the other hand the drug addicts in Breaking Bad and elsewhere clearly
> demonstrate that drug addiction inevitably takes away our free will and
> replaces it by a strong compulsion to get and consume the drug, no matter
> how devastating the consequences are.
>
>
>
> Robert McKee says in his book "Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the
> Principles of Screenwriting" that true character is revealed in the choices
> a human being makes under pressure. Could you say that a strong character
> or personality reduce our free will too, because they restrict our choices
> and decisions?
>
>
>
> -J.
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Please join Zoom meeting in progress Virtual Friam

2024-01-25 Thread Nicholas Thompson 
That sounds interesting. I am sorry I missed it. How is mom? Where is Merle?

On Thu, Jan 25, 2024 at 4:15 PM Frank Wimberly  wrote:

> Yes, we missed you.  Jochen joined briefly.  Stephen, Merle, Barry were
> also there.
>
> I'm sorry about the hassle of the dental work.  It'll be worth it.
>
> Frank
>
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
> On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 1:47 PM Nicholas Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, Frank,
>>
>> I was hoping to join you for a bit today but a super long dentist
>> appointment intruded. sscrewing and screwing unscrewing and screwing
>> unscrewin and screwing. An hour and a half. Exhausting but not painful
>> open, open more open bit more. Absent the apocalypse, I should get my new
>> teeth bolted in on February 15.
>>
>> Next week I promise to do look in on thuam
>>
>> All the best
>>
>> N
>>
>> Sent from my Dumb Phone
>>
>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 9:08 AM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:
>>
>> 
>> Join Zoom Meeting
>> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/255049879
>>
>> Meeting ID:  255 049 879
>>
>> ---
>>
>> One tap mobile
>> +17193594580,,255049879# US
>> +12532050468,,255049879# US
>>
>> ---
>>
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>> • +1 719 359 4580 US
>> • +1 253 205 0468 US
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>> • +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)
>> • +1 360 209 5623 US
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>> • +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC)
>> • +1 305 224 1968 US
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>> • +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago)
>>
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>>
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>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Please join Zoom meeting in progress Virtual Friam

2024-01-25 Thread Frank Wimberly 
Yes, we missed you.  Jochen joined briefly.  Stephen, Merle, Barry were
also there.

I'm sorry about the hassle of the dental work.  It'll be worth it.

Frank

---
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Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Thu, Jan 25, 2024, 1:47 PM Nicholas Thompson 
wrote:

> Hi, Frank,
>
> I was hoping to join you for a bit today but a super long dentist
> appointment intruded. sscrewing and screwing unscrewing and screwing
> unscrewin and screwing. An hour and a half. Exhausting but not painful
> open, open more open bit more. Absent the apocalypse, I should get my new
> teeth bolted in on February 15.
>
> Next week I promise to do look in on thuam
>
> All the best
>
> N
>
> Sent from my Dumb Phone
>
> On Jan 25, 2024, at 9:08 AM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:
>
> 
> Join Zoom Meeting
> https://us02web.zoom.us/j/255049879
>
> Meeting ID:  255 049 879
>
> ---
>
> One tap mobile
> +17193594580,,255049879# US
> +12532050468,,255049879# US
>
> ---
>
> Dial by your location
> • +1 719 359 4580 US
> • +1 253 205 0468 US
> • +1 253 215 8782 US (Tacoma)
> • +1 346 248 7799 US (Houston)
> • +1 669 444 9171 US
> • +1 669 900 6833 US (San Jose)
> • +1 360 209 5623 US
> • +1 386 347 5053 US
> • +1 507 473 4847 US
> • +1 564 217 2000 US
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> • +1 689 278 1000 US
> • +1 301 715 8592 US (Washington DC)
> • +1 305 224 1968 US
> • +1 309 205 3325 US
> • +1 312 626 6799 US (Chicago)
>
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>
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>
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Re: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

2024-01-25 Thread Marcus Daniels 
Walter White was drawn into that life as sure as water runs downhill.
Watching him go deeper and deeper was like repeating “step” in GDB.

From: Friam  On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2024 1:34 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: [FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

Since one of you mentioned today that free will is a recurring FRIAM topic I 
was thinking about it and found this SCIAM article that argues that human 
beings do have the power to make conscious choices.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/free-will-is-only-an-illusion-if-you-are-too/

On the other hand the drug addicts in Breaking Bad and elsewhere clearly 
demonstrate that drug addiction inevitably takes away our free will and 
replaces it by a strong compulsion to get and consume the drug, no matter how 
devastating the consequences are.

Robert McKee says in his book "Story: Substance, Structure, Style and the 
Principles of Screenwriting" that true character is revealed in the choices a 
human being makes under pressure. Could you say that a strong character or 
personality reduce our free will too, because they restrict our choices and 
decisions?

-J.

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[FRIAM] Breaking Bad and Free Will

2024-01-25 Thread Jochen Fromm 
Since one of you mentioned today that free will is a recurring FRIAM topic I 
was thinking about it and found this SCIAM article that argues that human 
beings do have the power to make conscious 
choices.https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/free-will-is-only-an-illusion-if-you-are-too/On
 the other hand the drug addicts in Breaking Bad and elsewhere clearly 
demonstrate that drug addiction inevitably takes away our free will and 
replaces it by a strong compulsion to get and consume the drug, no matter how 
devastating the consequences are.Robert McKee says in his book "Story: 
Substance, Structure, Style and the Principles of Screenwriting" that true 
character is revealed in the choices a human being makes under pressure. Could 
you say that a strong character or personality reduce our free will too, 
because they restrict our choices and decisions? -J. -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. .
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Re: [FRIAM] Please join Zoom meeting in progress Virtual Friam

2024-01-25 Thread Nicholas Thompson 
Hi, Frank,

I was hoping to join you for a bit today but a super long dentist appointment 
intruded. sscrewing and screwing unscrewing and screwing unscrewin and 
screwing. An hour and a half. Exhausting but not painful open, open more open 
bit more. Absent the apocalypse, I should get my new teeth bolted in on 
February 15.

Next week I promise to do look in on thuam

All the best

N

Sent from my Dumb Phone

On Jan 25, 2024, at 9:08 AM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:


Join Zoom Meeting
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[FRIAM] Please join Zoom meeting in progress Virtual Friam

2024-01-25 Thread Frank Wimberly 
Join Zoom Meeting
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Meeting ID:  255 049 879

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