Re: [FRIAM] Some brands of digital electric meters wildly inaccurate on nonlinear loads, and NM may get them soon!
tions to the PRC in an affidavit by March. *> >>> * This person would then answer questions from the PRC and possibly PNM >>> via *> >>> * zoom in a short hearing in late April or May. *> >>> > >>> * I have several reasons for not wanting to see PNM make this huge *> >>> * investment (and by law they are entitled to a nice *> >>> * rate of return paid by us, the customers) in a very messed-up >>> technology. *> >>> * Probably most of us in this group *> >>> * don't sweat much about our electric bills (actually maybe if ours *> >>> * quadrupled, we would), but for low-income families, this is *> >>> * potentially very cruel, since the cost of the meters will be charged >>> with *> >>> * interest regardless of usage, and energy-saving *> >>> * appliances typically have nonlinear load usages). *> >>> > >>> * I hope to be at the St. John's gathering Friday am, but feel free to >>> reply *> >>> * or contact me directly if interested in this. *> >>> > >>> > >>> * --William J. Bruno, Ph.D. *> >>> * wbruno at gmail.com >>> <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> *> >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> * -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . *> >>> * FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv *> >>> * Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom *> >>> * https://bit.ly/virtualfriam <https://bit.ly/virtualfriam> *> >>> * to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> *> >>> * FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> *> >>> * archives: 5/2017 thru present *> >>> * https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >>> <https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/> *> >>> * 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >>> <http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/> *> >>> -- next part -- >>> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >>> URL: < >>> http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20240213/093b28d6/attachment.html >>> > >> >> >> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: 5/2017 thru present >> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Some brands of digital electric meters wildly inaccurate on nonlinear loads, and NM may get them soon!
> >> * don't sweat much about our electric bills (actually maybe if ours *> >> * quadrupled, we would), but for low-income families, this is *> >> * potentially very cruel, since the cost of the meters will be charged >> with *> >> * interest regardless of usage, and energy-saving *> >> * appliances typically have nonlinear load usages). *> >> > >> * I hope to be at the St. John's gathering Friday am, but feel free to >> reply *> >> * or contact me directly if interested in this. *> >> > >> > >> * --William J. Bruno, Ph.D. *> >> * wbruno at gmail.com >> <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> *> >> > >> > >> > >> * -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . *> >> * FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv *> >> * Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom *> >> * https://bit.ly/virtualfriam <https://bit.ly/virtualfriam> *> >> * to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> <http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com> *> >> * FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> <http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/> *> >> * archives: 5/2017 thru present *> >> * https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> <https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/> *> >> * 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> <http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/> *> >> -- next part -- >> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... >> URL: < >> http://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/attachments/20240213/093b28d6/attachment.html >> > > > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
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Re: [FRIAM] Some brands of digital electric meters wildly inaccurate on nonlinear loads, and NM may get them soon!
All households in Delhi get 200 free units per month per meter, and the next 200 units at 50%. We have 2 meters (1 for lighting and 1 for power), so 400 free units and 400 more at half price. This winter was a bit colder than usual so I exceeded the free allowance in December on my power meter. and had to pay $15. It also helps that our Govt was pragmatic and kept buying cheap oil from Russia. On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 11:51 PM Gary Schiltz wrote: > Must be heavily subsidized? > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 10:03 AM Sarbajit Roy wrote: > >> Sorry, a correction. I paid US$ 15 (not 150) for consuming 3,600 units. >> >> >> Sarbajit Roy >> >> On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 8:31 PM Sarbajit Roy wrote: >> >>> Hi Bruno >>> >>> Smart meters were mandated in New Delhi India in 2008 onwards and we had >>> the same sort of consumer experience with bills shooting up due to these >>> then "made in China" meters and there was tremendous consumer anger. >>> >>> 2 important changes were made for domestic consumers - a) Billing would >>> be on the basis of Kw-hr (resistive) and not on the basis of KVA-hr >>> (reactive). and b) The neutral wiring and meter connection would be through >>> a bus-bar system only (no looping of neutrals) and ELCBs were >>> made mandatory for preventing earth leakages. That greatly sorted out the >>> problem. >>> >>> I believe the meter design was also changed to ensure that the Hall >>> sensors were inserted into the phase as well as neutral lines. >>> >>> Here are some links. >>> >>> https://www.derc.gov.in/sites/default/files/Public%20bulletin-5.pdf >>> >>> >>> https://www.derc.gov.in/sites/default/files/TechnicalspecificationforMeters_0.pdf >>> >>> https://www.derc.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-Regulations.pdf >>> (for Page 16 of 80) >>> >>> Just for your information, In the past 1 year I have paid a grand total >>> of about US$ 150 in electricity bills for an annual consumption of about >>> 3,600 Kw-Hr (3,600 units). >>> >>> Sarbajit Roy >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 10:02 AM _ Bruno W wrote: >>> I'm hoping some Friam member who knows a little about how an electric meter works will be interested enough to get this addressed BEFORE PNM spends $ 300+ million giving us all new meters. If interested I can send the full paper abstracted here: https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8077940 There is also a thesis from the same group that gives more info The paper makes clear that one of the preferred technologies in electric meters (the Rogowski coil) can go haywire when nonlinear loads are present. The smart meters gave readings up to 500% higher than the actual usage. The meters PNM has proposed for its entire territory is the Itron "Gen5" Riva, which has been deployed in the last 2 years in Denver and parts of Texas. Sure enough, some customers' bill have gone way up (3 or 4-fold in one news report), and they have little recourse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpOhTXV59pI=20s I intervened in this PRC proceeding last year, and may be able to get this info onto the record, and try to get the PRC to require better testing on nonlinear loads. But I need someone with some relevant expertise (can be education or experience) to explain the published findings and their implications to the PRC in an affidavit by March. This person would then answer questions from the PRC and possibly PNM via zoom in a short hearing in late April or May. I have several reasons for not wanting to see PNM make this huge investment (and by law they are entitled to a nice rate of return paid by us, the customers) in a very messed-up technology. Probably most of us in this group don't sweat much about our electric bills (actually maybe if ours quadrupled, we would), but for low-income families, this is potentially very cruel, since the cost of the meters will be charged with interest regardless of usage, and energy-saving appliances typically have nonlinear load usages). I hope to be at the St. John's gathering Friday am, but feel free to reply or contact me directly if interested in this. --William J. Bruno, Ph.D. wbr...@gmail.com -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >>> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe /
Re: [FRIAM] Some brands of digital electric meters wildly inaccurate on nonlinear loads, and NM may get them soon!
Must be heavily subsidized? On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 10:03 AM Sarbajit Roy wrote: > Sorry, a correction. I paid US$ 15 (not 150) for consuming 3,600 units. > > > Sarbajit Roy > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 8:31 PM Sarbajit Roy wrote: > >> Hi Bruno >> >> Smart meters were mandated in New Delhi India in 2008 onwards and we had >> the same sort of consumer experience with bills shooting up due to these >> then "made in China" meters and there was tremendous consumer anger. >> >> 2 important changes were made for domestic consumers - a) Billing would >> be on the basis of Kw-hr (resistive) and not on the basis of KVA-hr >> (reactive). and b) The neutral wiring and meter connection would be through >> a bus-bar system only (no looping of neutrals) and ELCBs were >> made mandatory for preventing earth leakages. That greatly sorted out the >> problem. >> >> I believe the meter design was also changed to ensure that the Hall >> sensors were inserted into the phase as well as neutral lines. >> >> Here are some links. >> >> https://www.derc.gov.in/sites/default/files/Public%20bulletin-5.pdf >> >> >> https://www.derc.gov.in/sites/default/files/TechnicalspecificationforMeters_0.pdf >> >> https://www.derc.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-Regulations.pdf >> (for Page 16 of 80) >> >> Just for your information, In the past 1 year I have paid a grand total >> of about US$ 150 in electricity bills for an annual consumption of about >> 3,600 Kw-Hr (3,600 units). >> >> Sarbajit Roy >> >> >> On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 10:02 AM _ Bruno W wrote: >> >>> I'm hoping some Friam member who knows a little about how an electric >>> meter works will be interested >>> enough to get this addressed BEFORE PNM spends $ 300+ million giving us >>> all new meters. >>> >>> If interested I can send the full paper abstracted here: >>> https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8077940 >>> There is also a thesis from the same group that gives more info >>> >>> The paper makes clear that one of the preferred technologies in electric >>> meters (the Rogowski coil) >>> can go haywire when nonlinear loads are present. The smart meters gave >>> readings up to 500% higher >>> than the actual usage. The meters PNM has proposed for its entire >>> territory is the Itron "Gen5" Riva, >>> which has been deployed in the last 2 years in Denver and parts of >>> Texas. Sure enough, some customers' >>> bill have gone way up (3 or 4-fold in one news report), and they have >>> little recourse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpOhTXV59pI=20s >>> >>> I intervened in this PRC proceeding last year, and may be able to get >>> this info onto the record, and try to >>> get the PRC to require better testing on nonlinear loads. But I need >>> someone with some relevant expertise >>> (can be education or experience) to explain the published findings and >>> their implications to the PRC in an affidavit by March. >>> This person would then answer questions from the PRC and possibly PNM >>> via zoom in a short hearing in late April or May. >>> >>> I have several reasons for not wanting to see PNM make this huge >>> investment (and by law they are entitled to a nice >>> rate of return paid by us, the customers) in a very messed-up >>> technology. Probably most of us in this group >>> don't sweat much about our electric bills (actually maybe if ours >>> quadrupled, we would), but for low-income families, this is >>> potentially very cruel, since the cost of the meters will be charged >>> with interest regardless of usage, and energy-saving >>> appliances typically have nonlinear load usages). >>> >>> I hope to be at the St. John's gathering Friday am, but feel free to >>> reply or contact me directly if interested in this. >>> >>> >>> --William J. Bruno, Ph.D. >>> wbr...@gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . >>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >>> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >>> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >>> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >>> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >>> archives: 5/2017 thru present >>> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >>> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >>> >> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe
Re: [FRIAM] Some brands of digital electric meters wildly inaccurate on nonlinear loads, and NM may get them soon!
Sorry, a correction. I paid US$ 15 (not 150) for consuming 3,600 units. Sarbajit Roy On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 8:31 PM Sarbajit Roy wrote: > Hi Bruno > > Smart meters were mandated in New Delhi India in 2008 onwards and we had > the same sort of consumer experience with bills shooting up due to these > then "made in China" meters and there was tremendous consumer anger. > > 2 important changes were made for domestic consumers - a) Billing would be > on the basis of Kw-hr (resistive) and not on the basis of KVA-hr > (reactive). and b) The neutral wiring and meter connection would be through > a bus-bar system only (no looping of neutrals) and ELCBs were > made mandatory for preventing earth leakages. That greatly sorted out the > problem. > > I believe the meter design was also changed to ensure that the Hall > sensors were inserted into the phase as well as neutral lines. > > Here are some links. > > https://www.derc.gov.in/sites/default/files/Public%20bulletin-5.pdf > > > https://www.derc.gov.in/sites/default/files/TechnicalspecificationforMeters_0.pdf > > https://www.derc.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-Regulations.pdf > (for Page 16 of 80) > > Just for your information, In the past 1 year I have paid a grand total of > about US$ 150 in electricity bills for an annual consumption of about 3,600 > Kw-Hr (3,600 units). > > Sarbajit Roy > > > On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 10:02 AM _ Bruno W wrote: > >> I'm hoping some Friam member who knows a little about how an electric >> meter works will be interested >> enough to get this addressed BEFORE PNM spends $ 300+ million giving us >> all new meters. >> >> If interested I can send the full paper abstracted here: >> https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8077940 >> There is also a thesis from the same group that gives more info >> >> The paper makes clear that one of the preferred technologies in electric >> meters (the Rogowski coil) >> can go haywire when nonlinear loads are present. The smart meters gave >> readings up to 500% higher >> than the actual usage. The meters PNM has proposed for its entire >> territory is the Itron "Gen5" Riva, >> which has been deployed in the last 2 years in Denver and parts of Texas. >> Sure enough, some customers' >> bill have gone way up (3 or 4-fold in one news report), and they have >> little recourse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpOhTXV59pI=20s >> >> I intervened in this PRC proceeding last year, and may be able to get >> this info onto the record, and try to >> get the PRC to require better testing on nonlinear loads. But I need >> someone with some relevant expertise >> (can be education or experience) to explain the published findings and >> their implications to the PRC in an affidavit by March. >> This person would then answer questions from the PRC and possibly PNM via >> zoom in a short hearing in late April or May. >> >> I have several reasons for not wanting to see PNM make this huge >> investment (and by law they are entitled to a nice >> rate of return paid by us, the customers) in a very messed-up technology. >> Probably most of us in this group >> don't sweat much about our electric bills (actually maybe if ours >> quadrupled, we would), but for low-income families, this is >> potentially very cruel, since the cost of the meters will be charged with >> interest regardless of usage, and energy-saving >> appliances typically have nonlinear load usages). >> >> I hope to be at the St. John's gathering Friday am, but feel free to >> reply or contact me directly if interested in this. >> >> >> --William J. Bruno, Ph.D. >> wbr...@gmail.com >> >> >> >> -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv >> Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom >> https://bit.ly/virtualfriam >> to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >> FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ >> archives: 5/2017 thru present >> https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ >> 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >> > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
Re: [FRIAM] Some brands of digital electric meters wildly inaccurate on nonlinear loads, and NM may get them soon!
Hi Bruno Smart meters were mandated in New Delhi India in 2008 onwards and we had the same sort of consumer experience with bills shooting up due to these then "made in China" meters and there was tremendous consumer anger. 2 important changes were made for domestic consumers - a) Billing would be on the basis of Kw-hr (resistive) and not on the basis of KVA-hr (reactive). and b) The neutral wiring and meter connection would be through a bus-bar system only (no looping of neutrals) and ELCBs were made mandatory for preventing earth leakages. That greatly sorted out the problem. I believe the meter design was also changed to ensure that the Hall sensors were inserted into the phase as well as neutral lines. Here are some links. https://www.derc.gov.in/sites/default/files/Public%20bulletin-5.pdf https://www.derc.gov.in/sites/default/files/TechnicalspecificationforMeters_0.pdf https://www.derc.gov.in/sites/default/files/Draft-Regulations.pdf (for Page 16 of 80) Just for your information, In the past 1 year I have paid a grand total of about US$ 150 in electricity bills for an annual consumption of about 3,600 Kw-Hr (3,600 units). Sarbajit Roy On Tue, Feb 13, 2024 at 10:02 AM _ Bruno W wrote: > I'm hoping some Friam member who knows a little about how an electric > meter works will be interested > enough to get this addressed BEFORE PNM spends $ 300+ million giving us > all new meters. > > If interested I can send the full paper abstracted here: > https://ieeexplore.ieee.org/document/8077940 > There is also a thesis from the same group that gives more info > > The paper makes clear that one of the preferred technologies in electric > meters (the Rogowski coil) > can go haywire when nonlinear loads are present. The smart meters gave > readings up to 500% higher > than the actual usage. The meters PNM has proposed for its entire > territory is the Itron "Gen5" Riva, > which has been deployed in the last 2 years in Denver and parts of Texas. > Sure enough, some customers' > bill have gone way up (3 or 4-fold in one news report), and they have > little recourse: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpOhTXV59pI=20s > > I intervened in this PRC proceeding last year, and may be able to get this > info onto the record, and try to > get the PRC to require better testing on nonlinear loads. But I need > someone with some relevant expertise > (can be education or experience) to explain the published findings and > their implications to the PRC in an affidavit by March. > This person would then answer questions from the PRC and possibly PNM via > zoom in a short hearing in late April or May. > > I have several reasons for not wanting to see PNM make this huge > investment (and by law they are entitled to a nice > rate of return paid by us, the customers) in a very messed-up technology. > Probably most of us in this group > don't sweat much about our electric bills (actually maybe if ours > quadrupled, we would), but for low-income families, this is > potentially very cruel, since the cost of the meters will be charged with > interest regardless of usage, and energy-saving > appliances typically have nonlinear load usages). > > I hope to be at the St. John's gathering Friday am, but feel free to reply > or contact me directly if interested in this. > > > --William J. Bruno, Ph.D. > wbr...@gmail.com > > > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom https://bit.ly/virtualfriam to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ archives: 5/2017 thru present https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/
