Re: [FRIAM] Wildfires in New Mexico

[Frank Wimberly]

https://photos.app.goo.gl/FQ3qhwRywCKnG7DeA


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Re: [FRIAM] Wildfires in New Mexico

[Frank Wimberly]

We're 240 miles north of Ruidoso.  That is beautiful country.  We took our
grandson to spend a weekend at the Inn of the Mountain Gods there a couple
of years ago.

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On Thu, Jun 20, 2024, 3:37 PM Jochen Fromm  wrote:

> I hope you are safe in Santa Fe? The worst wildfires seem to be near
> Ruidoso and the Mescalero Apache reservation south of Albuquerque
> https://www.npr.org/2024/06/19/g-s1-5147/new-mexico-wildfire-thousands-flee
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[FRIAM] Wildfires in New Mexico

[Jochen Fromm]

I hope you are safe in Santa Fe? The worst wildfires seem to be near Ruidoso 
and the Mescalero Apache reservation south of 
Albuquerquehttps://www.npr.org/2024/06/19/g-s1-5147/new-mexico-wildfire-thousands-flee-J.-. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. .
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[FRIAM] GOES-East - Sector view: Northeast - GeoColor - NOAA / NESDIS / STAR

[Nicholas Thompson]

https://www.star.nesdis.noaa.gov/GOES/sector_band.php?sat=G16§or=ne&band=GEOCOLOR&length=24

Thunderstorms forming over the NE on a hot summer afternoon.   Notice that each 
storm seems to start from a point source that moves much less than the clouds 
formed by the storm itself.

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Re: [FRIAM] Haboob in southern NM / Mexico

[Nicholas Thompson]

Oh, and:   Here's another glossary.

http://www.theweatherprediction.com/keywords/

 It still doesn't contain "haboob".


On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 1:05 AM Stephen Guerin 
wrote:

> NIck,
>
> Check out this Haboob moving across southern NM / northern Mexico
> satellite animation:
> https://guerin.acequia.io/incidents/HaboobAndSouthForkFire_20240619_2.mp4
>
> Roger, did you experience it?
>
> This while Ruidoso experiences Post Fire Debris Flow flooding and loss of
> 2,400 structures
>
> -Stephen
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Re: [FRIAM] Haboob in southern NM / Mexico

[Nicholas Thompson]

Thanks, Stephen,

An awesome video.

Haboob was a new one to me, so it got me looking up some terminology
relating to outflow boundaries.   Thunderstorms lift an enormous amount of
stuff  and when the storm collapses, a lot of it simply falls down,
displacing the air at the surface, and forcing it outward ahead and behind
the storm.  The line between the air pushing out and the air it is pushing
on is called an outlow boundary.  On many stormy nights in NM, you can see
on radar, faint circles of echoes, pushing out from the storms.  These are
reflections from the outlow boundary, where surface air is being thrust up
and forced to condense its moisture.

Surprisingly, neither haboob nor derecho appear in the NWS glossary!  Near
as I can make out, a haboob is an outflow boundary occurring in a desert
setting, that is violent enough to lift stuff off the ground, a dust
storm.  A derecho is an organization of outflow boundaries at least 200
miles in length that may propagats over hundreds of  miles, arising from  a
line of thunderstorms associated with a strong advancing cold front.   One
famous one traveled from Iowa to DC over 36 (?) hours and did substantial
damage all along its way.A derecho might or might not cause a dust
storm depending on the surface over which it is traveling.

You-all probably knew all of that.

Nick










On Thu, Jun 20, 2024 at 1:05 AM Stephen Guerin 
wrote:

> NIck,
>
> Check out this Haboob moving across southern NM / northern Mexico
> satellite animation:
> https://guerin.acequia.io/incidents/HaboobAndSouthForkFire_20240619_2.mp4
>
> Roger, did you experience it?
>
> This while Ruidoso experiences Post Fire Debris Flow flooding and loss of
> 2,400 structures
>
> -Stephen
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Re: [FRIAM] "Weather line" on 14

[Stephen Guerin]

Here's the video where the weather line is apparent near the Galisteo
Basin. Topographically there is a ridge to the south that you pass 25 miles
or south of Lamy. Frank will give us the name by 3p :-)

 https://guerin.acequia.io/incidents/windline.mp4
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On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 5:06 PM Stephen Guerin 
wrote:

> Nick,
>
> It's your time to shine! Respond to Vince.
>
> In the comments, local knowledge refers to it as the "prison line" as
> weather is different on either side of the prison on 14.
>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Haboob in southern NM / Mexico

[steve smith]

without Owen here to keep us on track with thread hygiene I'll 
self-report... I realize I am often guilty of thread-bending if not 
outright thread-jacking...  what is the difference? Haboob/Derecho, 
Jack/Bend?  Inquiring minds wanna know...


following up on the *weather* aspect of this thread, my short acute 
windstorm experience yielded about 6 power glitches that lasted less 
than 5 seconds each.  I'm guessing the wind severity direction was 
enough to actually cause some nearby overhead high voltage wires to come 
close enough to touch/arc?   I know dense smoke can yield (plasma 
formation) arcing?   The system apparently recovered very quickly which 
is unusual in our poorly maintained COOP.    The Cerro Grande fire was 
triggered by a (windfall?) downed powerline as I remember it.



On 6/20/24 9:21 AM, steve smith wrote:


does the NWS/etc even have an entry in their warning system for "haboob"?

I'm not that clear on the difference from RECs "derecho"... GPTs 
differentiation wasn't particularly helpful in this case. Wikipedia's 
entries were a little more helpful with a suggestion that the derecho 
is driven before a storm front while a haboob, also associated is more 
of a down and outflow of cold air flowing away from the front.   
Wikipedia suggests that NM does experience haboobs.   I've been in a 
few conditions on reflection might have been such where the dust-storm 
front not only preceded the storm front but in fact the storm front 
itself never arrived?


At my location, (Otowi bridge crossing the Rio Grande just at the 
northern pinch-point between Buckman Mesa and the foothill mesas of 
the Jemez outflow) We had a severe half-hour of wind, rain and (small) 
hail  only unique in it's acute intensity and brevity...  we do 
often get a certain type of weather concentration as the topography 
9both local and regional) funnels something right over us.


FWIW, since Guerin turned me on to flight-tracker, I've been able to 
add evidence to my understanding that Otowi Bridge itself is a VFR 
waypoint so a lot of smaller planes may well fly at least within sight 
of the landmark so they can re-vector toward their next 
waypoint/destination.    So the same location seems to "focus" 
civilian air traffic as well.   The rio grande also seems to be a 
corridor for military/police helicopters... there seem to be a "pair" 
who meet roughly over my house, one northbound, the other southbound.  
I'm guessing a Military training program out of ABQ possibly coupled 
with a ATF/State-Police drug-surveillance related activity.


I was looking because I wanted to see if Musk's LANL visit included 
one of his private jets in/out of LAM airport.   I didn't confirm.   I 
suppose if it were too easy, his jet would have gotten the same orange 
paint as StoneHenge and Taylor Swift recently?



On 6/20/24 6:18 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
We had a couple of power glitches, a high wind warning, and a severe 
storm warning all between 6 and 7 pm. The sky went apocalyptic for a 
while.  The clouds had been massing east of the Organs earlier.  No 
haboob warning, but the high wind warning was pushed to SMS and 
included the usual cautions about how to drive when you can't see 
anything in the dust.  The derecho in the satellite picture is all 
west of us, you can see the lights of Las Cruces and El Paso at one 
point in the video.


-- rec --


On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 11:05 PM Stephen Guerin 
 wrote:


NIck,

Check out this Haboob moving across southern NM / northern Mexico
    satellite animation:
https://guerin.acequia.io/incidents/HaboobAndSouthForkFire_20240619_2.mp4

Roger, did you experience it?

This while Ruidoso experiences Post Fire Debris Flow flooding and
loss of 2,400 structures

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Re: [FRIAM] Haboob in southern NM / Mexico

[steve smith]

does the NWS/etc even have an entry in their warning system for "haboob"?

I'm not that clear on the difference from RECs "derecho"...  GPTs 
differentiation wasn't particularly helpful in this case. Wikipedia's 
entries were a little more helpful with a suggestion that the derecho is 
driven before a storm front while a haboob, also associated is more of a 
down and outflow of cold air flowing away from the front.   Wikipedia 
suggests that NM does experience haboobs.   I've been in a few 
conditions on reflection might have been such where the dust-storm front 
not only preceded the storm front but in fact the storm front itself 
never arrived?


At my location, (Otowi bridge crossing the Rio Grande just at the 
northern pinch-point between Buckman Mesa and the foothill mesas of the 
Jemez outflow) We had a severe half-hour of wind, rain and (small) 
hail  only unique in it's acute intensity and brevity...  we do 
often get a certain type of weather concentration as the topography 
9both local and regional) funnels something right over us.


FWIW, since Guerin turned me on to flight-tracker, I've been able to add 
evidence to my understanding that Otowi Bridge itself is a VFR waypoint 
so a lot of smaller planes may well fly at least within sight of the 
landmark so they can re-vector toward their next waypoint/destination. 
   So the same location seems to "focus" civilian air traffic as well. 
  The rio grande also seems to be a corridor for military/police 
helicopters... there seem to be a "pair" who meet roughly over my house, 
one northbound, the other southbound.  I'm guessing a Military training 
program out of ABQ possibly coupled with a ATF/State-Police 
drug-surveillance related activity.


I was looking because I wanted to see if Musk's LANL visit included one 
of his private jets in/out of LAM airport.   I didn't confirm.   I 
suppose if it were too easy, his jet would have gotten the same orange 
paint as StoneHenge and Taylor Swift recently?



On 6/20/24 6:18 AM, Roger Critchlow wrote:
We had a couple of power glitches, a high wind warning, and a severe 
storm warning all between 6 and 7 pm.  The sky went apocalyptic for a 
while.  The clouds had been massing east of the Organs earlier.  No 
haboob warning, but the high wind warning was pushed to SMS and 
included the usual cautions about how to drive when you can't see 
anything in the dust.  The derecho in the satellite picture is all 
west of us, you can see the lights of Las Cruces and El Paso at one 
point in the video.


-- rec --


On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 11:05 PM Stephen Guerin 
 wrote:


NIck,

Check out this Haboob moving across southern NM / northern Mexico
    satellite animation:
https://guerin.acequia.io/incidents/HaboobAndSouthForkFire_20240619_2.mp4

Roger, did you experience it?

This while Ruidoso experiences Post Fire Debris Flow flooding and
loss of 2,400 structures

-Stephen
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Re: [FRIAM] Haboob in southern NM / Mexico

[Roger Critchlow]

We had a couple of power glitches, a high wind warning, and a severe storm
warning all between 6 and 7 pm.  The sky went apocalyptic for a while.  The
clouds had been massing east of the Organs earlier.  No haboob warning, but
the high wind warning was pushed to SMS and included the usual cautions
about how to drive when you can't see anything in the dust.  The derecho in
the satellite picture is all west of us, you can see the lights of Las
Cruces and El Paso at one point in the video.

-- rec --


On Wed, Jun 19, 2024 at 11:05 PM Stephen Guerin 
wrote:

> NIck,
>
> Check out this Haboob moving across southern NM / northern Mexico
> satellite animation:
> https://guerin.acequia.io/incidents/HaboobAndSouthForkFire_20240619_2.mp4
>
> Roger, did you experience it?
>
> This while Ruidoso experiences Post Fire Debris Flow flooding and loss of
> 2,400 structures
>
> -Stephen
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