Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: speculative Q

2015-07-14 Thread glen

On 07/14/2015 02:58 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:

Sometimes I think circles such as yours and the people Glen is talking about 
just must be kept apart from one another, if they don’t avoid each other 
naturally.That’s about as close I get to advocating community for 
community’s sake.


http://phys.org/news/2013-11-first-ever-survey-do-it-yourself-biology-myths.html

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Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: speculative Q

2015-07-14 Thread Marcus Daniels

“ BTW, the difference is that I've rarely actively looked for something new - 
it always seems to land in my lap.”

Sometimes I think circles such as yours and the people Glen is talking about 
just must be kept apart from one another, if they don’t avoid each other 
naturally.That’s about as close I get to advocating community for 
community’s sake.

Marcus

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Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: speculative Q

2015-07-14 Thread Parks, Raymond
Glen,

  I have always had a similiar experience, albeit on a different path.  Every 
computer program I've written, maintained, upgraded, or assessed has been 
intrinsically part of a real-world process.  The fun thing for me has been 
understanding the real-world business, mission, process, or system.  Over the 
course of roughly fourty years, I've learned about a huge variety of industry, 
military, and business activities.  Just in the last 10-15 years I've learned 
about pipelines, gas, awl bidness, 'lectric utilities, and railroads.  What's 
even more amazing to me is that things I learned 30 years ago keep coming back 
up - GPS is a neverending resource I keep calling back up for control systems, 
Smart Grid, mobile phones, radios, ships, and all kinds of other systems.

  BTW, the difference is that I've rarely actively looked for something new - 
it always seems to land in my lap.

  Sometimes, my hobbies have rolled over into my work.  About 15 years ago, I 
was gamemastering a group of folks in an apocalyptic cold war game called 
Twilight 2000 set in post WWIII Poland.  Part of the game is set in Oswiecim, 
long-known for it's chemical industry making insecticides and poison gas.  So I 
read up on poison gasses and branched into biowarfare to make the game as 
realistic as possible.  A few months later, I was asked to assess a bio-agent 
detection system.  Imagine the customer's surprise when I walked in talking 
their jargon from my reading for an RPG.

Ray Parks
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On Jul 14, 2015, at 2:40 PM, glen wrote:

 
 Both of these comments touch on something that irritates me quite a bit.  
 Because I have a chip on my shoulder and enjoy confrontation, I regularly 
 apply for jobs even when I'm only a tiny bit interested in changing jobs.  
 (Plus, who knows?  Maybe someone will make a really good offer.)  In doing 
 so, I often apply for jobs for which I'm over qualified.  I don't get paid 
 much for what I _am_ qualified to do.  So, it wouldn't be much of a hit to 
 take a job for which I'm over qualified.  These jobs almost always have 
 something educational about them.  I regard the education as part of the 
 compensation.  I'm willing to take a lot less money in exchange for the 
 chance to learn-on-the-job.
 
 The interviewers never seem to understand that point.  When it comes down to 
 the practicals of offering me a job, they often get caught by my inadequate 
 answers to the question Why would you want to do these jobs, for this 
 salary?  Why give up what you have already?  I don't know ... YOLO?  It 
 happens so often, perhaps I should be less enthusiastic about whatever 
 projects I'm working on at any given time.  Maybe if I'm all grumpy about the 
 sh!t I have to do, I'd get less complaints about me being over qualified for 
 some other job ... which obviously I'm not.  My incompetence knows no bounds. 
  I've never had a boring job, from selling carpet water proofing 
 door-to-door, to sacking groceries, selling electronic parts at the 
 university store, flowcharting assembly code for obsolete avionics, etc.  
 There are always boring tasks to every job, but the jobs have never been 
 boring in their entirety.
 
 In any case, it seems to me like incentive is always weaker than motivation, 
 regardless of the dimensions involved.  But, then again, I'm a white male 
 from a middle-class household in the US.  So, surely that biases me.
 
 
 
 On 07/14/2015 01:05 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote:
 Motivation is such a subjective thing. Like most people, I like to work on
 things that are at least a little challenging intellectually,  but
 sometimes, just seeing the end result and knowing that I did it is reward
 enough to make the tedium bearable. A few years back, I did a bunch of very
 tedious work that synchronized video of conference speakers with their
 slide presentations NM INBRE. The idea was to create a Flash presentation
 that showed the video of the speaker, but displayed static images (taken
 from the PPT presentation) representing the auditorium's screen. This saved
 a lot of bandwidth compared to streaming a composite video of both the
 speaker and the actual screen, and in the 2006 timeframe, really was
 necessary.
 
 So, I had “capture” video from tape from two sources (speaker and screen);
 scrub through the two resulting videos, recording slide translation
 timings; export and trim images for each slide; compress video into
 appropriate formats; import images and video into Flash, and enter the
 timings that I recorded; etc etc. All that multiplied by 10 or more
 speakers, it took me over a month to complete. Kind of like mowing your
 lawn with a pair of fingernail clippers. I automated as much as I could,
 but given the number of tools that I had to deal with, I 

Re: [FRIAM] [EXTERNAL] Re: speculative Q

2015-07-14 Thread Parks, Raymond
Glen,

So, I'm not getting the relevance of the DIYBio movement to Marcus' comment.  
Are you suggesting that it is an example of community for community's sake? 

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On Jul 14, 2015, at 4:15 PM, glen wrote:

 On 07/14/2015 02:58 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
 Sometimes I think circles such as yours and the people Glen is talking about 
 just must be kept apart from one another, if they don’t avoid each other 
 naturally.That’s about as close I get to advocating community for 
 community’s sake.
 
 http://phys.org/news/2013-11-first-ever-survey-do-it-yourself-biology-myths.html
 
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