[FRIAM] Array Interference

2009-11-28 Thread plissaman


Nick notes that there's something funny if an array reduces effective wind for 
a peleton of sweaty b icy clistes, but increases it for a bunch of spinning 
turbines. And he's dead right!  A nd these are legitimate, rational questions 
that an intelligen t layman should ask. The answer is that the science writer 
is propagating BS, as is often the case.  Did anyone hear it?  I have been in 
contact with the autho r , my friend, John Dabiri, who told me they weren't 
ready to release their paper yet but he'd send me ASAP!     When I study it, 
I'll brief Friamers on the content, and its validity.  I dunno!  And I'd like 
to read. 


Dick Feynman used to say unofficially that he never read papers, but if you 
told him the title and the author , he would tell you what it was about and why 
it was wrong!!   A good approach for genius , but bey ond me! 
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Re: [FRIAM] Array Interference

2009-11-28 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Thank you, Peter.  You are very kind to take the question seriously. 

Asking a question is like making a mess.  Doing it is alot easier than undoing 
it.  

I am particularly puzzled by the manner in which incompressibility would seem 
to disturb the ways in which people talk about meteorology.  Are we dealing 
with ways of speaking that are sufficient for some domains and not for others? 

And, as you all know, I fascinated by the manner in which scientists use the 
same words in such different ways as to disturb the flow of information between 
them.   

I await your report with enthusiasm. 

Nick 

Nicholas S. Thompson
Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, 
Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu)
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
http://www.cusf.org [City University of Santa Fe]




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Nick notes that there's something funny if an array reduces effective wind for 
a peleton of sweaty bicyclistes, but increases it for a bunch of spinning 
turbines. And he's dead right!  And these are legitimate, rational questions 
that an intelligent layman should ask. The answer is that the science writer is 
propagating BS, as is often the case.  Did anyone hear it?  I have been in 
contact with the author, my friend, John Dabiri, who told me they weren't ready 
to release their paper yet but he'd send me ASAP!When I study it, I'll 
brief Friamers on the content, and its validity.  I dunno!  And I'd like to 
read.

Dick Feynman used to say unofficially that he never read papers, but if you 
told him the title and the author, he would tell you what it was about and why 
it was wrong!!   A good approach for genius , but beyond me!
Peter Lissaman, Da Vinci Ventures

Expertise is not knowing everything, but knowing what to look for.

1454 Miracerros Loop South, Santa Fe, New Mexico 87505,USA
tel:(505)983-7728 
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Re: [FRIAM] Array Interference

2009-11-28 Thread Marcus Daniels

plissa...@comcast.net wrote:
I was concerned at his naive statement that the power increases 
because the rotational speed increases.
Wouldn't it be remarkable for these Caltech guys (ok, trained in 
aerodynamics but researching biopropulsion) to not hold torque fixed in 
their models?


Marcus


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Re: [FRIAM] Array Interference

2009-11-28 Thread Marcus Daniels

plissa...@comcast.net wrote:


When I study it, I'll brief Friamers on the content, and its validity. 


Looking forward to that!

Thanks,

Marcus


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