[FRIAM] Astonishments, ten, in the history of version control

2011-12-17 Thread Tom Johnson
I suspect some of us will be interested in this brief history of version
control.

http://www.flourish.org/blog/?p=397

--tj
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Re: [FRIAM] Astonishments, ten, in the history of version control

2011-12-17 Thread Steve Smith

Quite a walk down memory lane.  Thanks Tom.

My own memory involves paper tape and card decks as the persistent 
source with text files being ephemeral in the early days.  It was much 
harder to keep variants in this form, but much easier to remember which 
version was the correct one.   I'm sure others kept their main deck of a 
program with small batches of variations carefully managed with notes 
and rubber bands.


It was excruciatingly challenging in some ways to collaborate with 
others in this mode...  though it was higher fidelity to sit down with a 
printout of a program and go through the logic line by line with a 
colleague than to wait for them to try to merge their code with yours 
from a revision control system and for them then to ask you oblique 
questions via e-mail about their (nearly) orthogonal changes relative to 
yours.  The former was less efficient but required more reflection on 
the motivation of specific changes and/or choices in coding style and 
algorithmic design.


As a student of collaboration, and a long time user of revision control 
in code and in documents, I am a big fan, but also share the author's 
curiosity as to what is next?.  I've used visual programming languages 
and even dabbled with evolutionary programming, but don't see a clear 
next step.  It feels as if we might be on the blind side of a phase 
transition, not so much in version control as in collaborative or 
collective problem solving, facilitated by algorithmic languages and 
version control systems.


A biological (genetic, regulatory network) metaphor seems apt for this 
next phase?


- Steve
I suspect some of us will be interested in this brief history of 
version control.


http://www.flourish.org/blog/?p=397

--tj




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Re: [FRIAM] Astonishments, ten, in the history of version control

2011-12-17 Thread Greg Sonnenfeld
As a student of collaboration, and a long time user of revision control in 
code and in documents, I am a big fan, but also share the author's curiosity 
as to what is next?.

I know git has a model for cloning, pushing and pulling from other
clones, but does it have a feature for aggregating sub-components from
many foreign repositories into a single code base? (I've only used git
lightly, so if I'm repeating features let me know.)

It would be neat to just pull the quarter of a library you need, and
have it linked to the main source with change notification. It'd also
be a neat feature to have auto compare tools so you can see how anyone
replicating your repository is using/changing your code without
manually comparing or waiting for a pull request.

I would suggesting creating a Version System/Social Coding wishlist to
determine what might be next. It seems most of the other advances
stemmed one of those.


Greg Sonnenfeld


On Sat, Dec 17, 2011 at 12:14 PM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote:
 Quite a walk down memory lane.  Thanks Tom.

 My own memory involves paper tape and card decks as the persistent source
 with text files being ephemeral in the early days.  It was much harder to
 keep variants in this form, but much easier to remember which version was
 the correct one.   I'm sure others kept their main deck of a program with
 small batches of variations carefully managed with notes and rubber bands.

 It was excruciatingly challenging in some ways to collaborate with others in
 this mode...  though it was higher fidelity to sit down with a printout of a
 program and go through the logic line by line with a colleague than to wait
 for them to try to merge their code with yours from a revision control
 system and for them then to ask you oblique questions via e-mail about their
 (nearly) orthogonal changes relative to yours.  The former was less
 efficient but required more reflection on the motivation of specific
 changes and/or choices in coding style and algorithmic design.

 As a student of collaboration, and a long time user of revision control in
 code and in documents, I am a big fan, but also share the author's curiosity
 as to what is next?.  I've used visual programming languages and even
 dabbled with evolutionary programming, but don't see a clear next step.  It
 feels as if we might be on the blind side of a phase transition, not so much
 in version control as in collaborative or collective problem solving,
 facilitated by algorithmic languages and version control systems.

 A biological (genetic, regulatory network) metaphor seems apt for this next
 phase?

 - Steve

 I suspect some of us will be interested in this brief history of version
 control.

 http://www.flourish.org/blog/?p=397

 --tj



 
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