Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

[Prof David West]

  I did 205 mph on a motorcycle on the Bonneville Salt Flats; decades ago of 
course. Had I fallen off I would have been sanded down to the marrow of my 
bones before I stopped sliding.

davew


On Wed, Oct 27, 2021, at 3:31 PM, cody dooderson wrote:
> Driving 200 km/h sounds really scary to me. I did ride in a train in Germany 
> once that probably went about that speed, but I couldn't see out of the 
> window.  
> About the movie set shooting. The sheriff said, at a press conference, that 
> it was an actual lead bullet. So I was wrong, and Nick Thompson was right 
> that someone on the movie set is effin nuts. 
> 
> Cody Smith
> 
> 
> On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 11:53 AM Jochen Fromm  wrote:
>> I am not sure if Europe is more civilized than America. We have our own 
>> problems. In Germany for example there is no speed limit on highways in 
>> general. Some people are proud of it, others want to end this freedom 
>> because it increases pollution and traffic accidents. Driving 200 km/h (124 
>> mph) can be nice, but it also has drawbacks. Any speed limits have been 
>> prevented so far by the powerful car industry, which is the most important 
>> industry here. I would say the car culture here is comparable to the weapon 
>> culture in the US. But it is going to change: gasoline and diesel cars will 
>> be banned in 10-15 years.
>> 
>> -J.
>> 
>> 
>>  Original message --------
>> From: "uǝlƃ ☤>$" 
>> Date: 10/23/21 00:04 (GMT+01:00)
>> To: friam@redfish.com
>> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe
>> 
>> Well, to contrast that a bit, I've had guns pointed at me (aggressively) 3 
>> times. (Many more "playfully".) None of them pulled the trigger, luckily. 
>> But that just proves that they do NOT take guns seriously. They are more 
>> toy, less weapon ... which makes them even more dangerous. Also, 2 of my 
>> friends from high school were murdered, one with a gun, one with a knife.
>> 
>> This country is more violent than privileged white dudes might have you 
>> believe. Jochen would be wise to take vacation in a civilized country.
>> 
>> 
>> On 10/22/21 2:50 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
>> > Jochen,
>> > 
>> > I've spent more than 1/3 of my 78 years in New Mexico including the last 
>> > 22.  I've never been shot at, I've never seen anyone be shot, and I've 
>> > never known anyone who was killed or wounded by gunfire.  I used to shoot 
>> > rabbits when I was a teenager but I regret that very much.
>> > 
>> > The police I've interacted with are courteous and try to be as helpful as 
>> > possible.  My original comment was said tongue-in-cheek.  I should have 
>> > used a smiley.
>> > 
>> > 
>> > Frank
>> > 
>> > ---
>> > Frank C. Wimberly
>> > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>> > Santa Fe, NM 87505
>> > 
>> > 505 670-9918
>> > Santa Fe, NM
>> > 
>> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 3:08 PM Merle Lefkoff > > <mailto:merlelefk...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > No.  If you read the article carefully, sometimes guns with blanks and 
>> > guns without bullets can kill people, and it has happened befofe on movie 
>> > sets.  It was a terrible and tragic accident.  I'm sure we'll learn what 
>> > went wrong.
>> > 
>> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 9:55 AM > > <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> > 
>> > J-
>> > 
>> > __ __
>> > 
>> > Your note does seem to suggest that you are coming.  I would 
>> > greatly look forward to meeting with you, if that is the case.  
>> > 
>> > __ __
>> > 
>> > It is my understanding that loaded guns are normally prohibited on 
>> > movie sets for the obvious reasons.  Somebody must have been effing nuts.  
>> > 
>> > 
>> > __ __
>> > 
>> > Nick Thompson
>> > 
>> > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com>
>> > 
>> > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ 
>> > <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/>
>> > 
>> > __ __
>> > 
>> > *From:* Friam > > <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
>> > *Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2021 7:52 AM
>> > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied C

Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

[thompnickson2]

Dear Cody, 

 

Nobody has ever said those words before.  

 

I am profoundly touched. 

 

Nick 

 

Nick Thompson

 <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> thompnicks...@gmail.com

 <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> 
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

 

From: Friam  On Behalf Of cody dooderson
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2021 3:32 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

 

Driving 200 km/h sounds really scary to me. I did ride in a train in Germany 
once that probably went about that speed, but I couldn't see out of the window. 
 

About the movie set shooting. The sheriff said, at a press conference, that it 
was an actual lead bullet. So I was wrong, and Nick Thompson was right that 
someone on the movie set is effin nuts. 




Cody Smith

 

 

On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 11:53 AM Jochen Fromm mailto:j...@cas-group.net> > wrote:

I am not sure if Europe is more civilized than America. We have our own 
problems. In Germany for example there is no speed limit on highways in 
general. Some people are proud of it, others want to end this freedom because 
it increases pollution and traffic accidents. Driving 200 km/h (124 mph) can be 
nice, but it also has drawbacks. Any speed limits have been prevented so far by 
the powerful car industry, which is the most important industry here. I would 
say the car culture here is comparable to the weapon culture in the US. But it 
is going to change: gasoline and diesel cars will be banned in 10-15 years.

 

-J.

 

 

 Original message 

From: "uǝlƃ ☤>$" mailto:geprope...@gmail.com> > 

Date: 10/23/21 00:04 (GMT+01:00) 

To: friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com>  

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe 

 

Well, to contrast that a bit, I've had guns pointed at me (aggressively) 3 
times. (Many more "playfully".) None of them pulled the trigger, luckily. But 
that just proves that they do NOT take guns seriously. They are more toy, less 
weapon ... which makes them even more dangerous. Also, 2 of my friends from 
high school were murdered, one with a gun, one with a knife.

This country is more violent than privileged white dudes might have you 
believe. Jochen would be wise to take vacation in a civilized country.


On 10/22/21 2:50 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> Jochen,
> 
> I've spent more than 1/3 of my 78 years in New Mexico including the last 22.  
> I've never been shot at, I've never seen anyone be shot, and I've never known 
> anyone who was killed or wounded by gunfire.  I used to shoot rabbits when I 
> was a teenager but I regret that very much.
> 
> The police I've interacted with are courteous and try to be as helpful as 
> possible.  My original comment was said tongue-in-cheek.  I should have used 
> a smiley.
> 
> 
> Frank
> 
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
> 
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
> 
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 3:08 PM Merle Lefkoff  <mailto:merlelefk...@gmail.com <mailto:merlelefk...@gmail.com> >> wrote:
> 
> No.  If you read the article carefully, sometimes guns with blanks and 
> guns without bullets can kill people, and it has happened befofe on movie 
> sets.  It was a terrible and tragic accident.  I'm sure we'll learn what went 
> wrong.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 9:55 AM  <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com>  <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> >> wrote:
> 
> J-
> 
> __ __
> 
> Your note does seem to suggest that you are coming.  I would greatly 
> look forward to meeting with you, if that is the case.  
> 
> __ __
> 
> It is my understanding that loaded guns are normally prohibited on 
> movie sets for the obvious reasons.  Somebody must have been effing nuts.  
> 
> 
> __ __
> 
> Nick Thompson
> 
> thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com>  
> <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> >
> 
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ 
> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/>
> 
> __ __
> 
> *From:* Friam  <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>  <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com 
> <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> >> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> *Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2021 7:52 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
> mailto:friam@redfish.com>  <mailto:friam@redfish.com 
> <mailto:friam@redfish.com> >>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe
> 
> __ __
> 

Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

[cody dooderson]

Driving 200 km/h sounds really scary to me. I did ride in a train
in Germany once that probably went about that speed, but I couldn't see out
of the window.
About the movie set shooting. The sheriff said, at a press conference, that
it was an actual lead bullet. So I was wrong, and Nick Thompson was right
that someone on the movie set is effin nuts.

Cody Smith


On Sat, Oct 23, 2021 at 11:53 AM Jochen Fromm  wrote:

> I am not sure if Europe is more civilized than America. We have our own
> problems. In Germany for example there is no speed limit on highways in
> general. Some people are proud of it, others want to end this freedom
> because it increases pollution and traffic accidents. Driving 200 km/h (124
> mph) can be nice, but it also has drawbacks. Any speed limits have been
> prevented so far by the powerful car industry, which is the most important
> industry here. I would say the car culture here is comparable to the weapon
> culture in the US. But it is going to change: gasoline and diesel cars will
> be banned in 10-15 years.
>
> -J.
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: "uǝlƃ ☤>$" 
> Date: 10/23/21 00:04 (GMT+01:00)
> To: friam@redfish.com
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe
>
> Well, to contrast that a bit, I've had guns pointed at me (aggressively) 3
> times. (Many more "playfully".) None of them pulled the trigger, luckily.
> But that just proves that they do NOT take guns seriously. They are more
> toy, less weapon ... which makes them even more dangerous. Also, 2 of my
> friends from high school were murdered, one with a gun, one with a knife.
>
> This country is more violent than privileged white dudes might have you
> believe. Jochen would be wise to take vacation in a civilized country.
>
>
> On 10/22/21 2:50 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> > Jochen,
> >
> > I've spent more than 1/3 of my 78 years in New Mexico including the last
> 22.  I've never been shot at, I've never seen anyone be shot, and I've
> never known anyone who was killed or wounded by gunfire.  I used to shoot
> rabbits when I was a teenager but I regret that very much.
> >
> > The police I've interacted with are courteous and try to be as helpful
> as possible.  My original comment was said tongue-in-cheek.  I should have
> used a smiley.
> >
> >
> > Frank
> >
> > ---
> > Frank C. Wimberly
> > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> > Santa Fe, NM 87505
> >
> > 505 670-9918
> > Santa Fe, NM
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 3:08 PM Merle Lefkoff  <mailto:merlelefk...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > No.  If you read the article carefully, sometimes guns with blanks
> and guns without bullets can kill people, and it has happened befofe on
> movie sets.  It was a terrible and tragic accident.  I'm sure we'll learn
> what went wrong.
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 9:55 AM  thompnicks...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > J-
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Your note does seem to suggest that you are coming.  I would
> greatly look forward to meeting with you, if that is the case.  
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > It is my understanding that loaded guns are normally prohibited
> on movie sets for the obvious reasons.  Somebody must have been effing
> nuts.  
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Nick Thompson
> >
> > thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com>
> >
> > https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ <
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/>
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > *From:* Friam  friam-boun...@redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> > *Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2021 7:52 AM
> > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Too many loaded guns in NM.
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > Are you coming here Jochen?  We used to meet at St John's
> College coffee shop.  There are many excellent places to have breakfast
> here.  I recommend Saveur.
> >
> > ---
> > Frank C. Wimberly
> > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> > Santa Fe, NM 87505
> >
> > 505 670-9918
> > Santa Fe, NM
> >
> > __ __
> >
> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 2:06 AM Jochen Fromm  <mailto:

Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

[Jochen Fromm]

I am not sure if Europe is more civilized than America. We have our own 
problems. In Germany for example there is no speed limit on highways in 
general. Some people are proud of it, others want to end this freedom because 
it increases pollution and traffic accidents. Driving 200 km/h (124 mph) can be 
nice, but it also has drawbacks. Any speed limits have been prevented so far by 
the powerful car industry, which is the most important industry here. I would 
say the car culture here is comparable to the weapon culture in the US. But it 
is going to change: gasoline and diesel cars will be banned in 10-15 years.-J.
 Original message From: "uǝlƃ ☤>$"  Date: 
10/23/21  00:04  (GMT+01:00) To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] 
Breakfast in Santa Fe Well, to contrast that a bit, I've had guns pointed at me 
(aggressively) 3 times. (Many more "playfully".) None of them pulled the 
trigger, luckily. But that just proves that they do NOT take guns seriously. 
They are more toy, less weapon ... which makes them even more dangerous. Also, 
2 of my friends from high school were murdered, one with a gun, one with a 
knife.This country is more violent than privileged white dudes might have you 
believe. Jochen would be wise to take vacation in a civilized country.On 
10/22/21 2:50 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:> Jochen,> > I've spent more than 1/3 of 
my 78 years in New Mexico including the last 22.  I've never been shot at, I've 
never seen anyone be shot, and I've never known anyone who was killed or 
wounded by gunfire.  I used to shoot rabbits when I was a teenager but I regret 
that very much.> > The police I've interacted with are courteous and try to be 
as helpful as possible.  My original comment was said tongue-in-cheek.  I 
should have used a smiley.> > > Frank> > ---> Frank C. Wimberly> 140 Calle Ojo 
Feliz,> Santa Fe, NM 87505> > 505 670-9918> Santa Fe, NM> > On Fri, Oct 22, 
2021, 3:08 PM Merle Lefkoff mailto:merlelefk...@gmail.com>> wrote:> > No.  If you read the article 
carefully, sometimes guns with blanks and guns without bullets can kill people, 
and it has happened befofe on movie sets.  It was a terrible and tragic 
accident.  I'm sure we'll learn what went wrong.> > On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 
9:55 AM mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com>> wrote:> >
 J-> > __ __> > Your note does seem to suggest that you 
are coming.  I would greatly look forward to meeting with you, if that is the 
case.  > > __ __> > It is my understanding that loaded guns 
are normally prohibited on movie sets for the obvious reasons.  Somebody must 
have been effing nuts.  > > __ __> > Nick Thompson> >   
  thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com>> > 
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ 
<https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/>> > __ __> > 
*From:* Friam mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> 
*On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly> *Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2021 7:52 
AM> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
mailto:friam@redfish.com>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] 
Breakfast in Santa Fe> > __ __> > Too many loaded guns in 
NM.> > __ __> > Are you coming here Jochen?  We used to 
meet at St John's College coffee shop.  There are many excellent places to have 
breakfast here.  I recommend Saveur.> > ---> Frank C. 
Wimberly> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,> Santa Fe, NM 87505> > 
505 670-9918> Santa Fe, NM> > __ __> > On Fri, Oct 
22, 2021, 2:06 AM Jochen Fromm mailto:j...@cas-group.net>> 
wrote:> > Today in the morning Santa Fe was in the news on TV. 
They reported that Actor Alec Baldwin has accidentally shot a camera woman, 
because the gun used for acting was fully loaded. It is rare that Santa Fe is 
mentioned here in the news> 
https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-arts-and-entertainment-new-mexico-movies-santa-fe-915b39db68b559f03103171fdaecca79
 
<https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-arts-and-entertainment-new-mexico-movies-santa-fe-915b39db68b559f03103171fdaecca79>>
 > Where do you go for breakfast for normal FRIAM meetings (not 
virtual ones)? What are the best coffeeshops and cafes in Santa Fe?> -- 
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Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

[Barry MacKichan]

A year or so after we moved from Las Cruces to Seattle, when our son was 
17m we heard that one of our son’s Las Cruces friends had died. He and 
a friend were sitting on a couch playing with a gun and what happened is 
what you probably expected.


—Barry

On 22 Oct 2021, at 18:52, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:

Well, to contrast that a bit, I've had guns pointed at me 
(aggressively) 3 times. (Many more "playfully".) None of them pulled 
the trigger, luckily. But that just proves that they do NOT take guns 
seriously. They are more toy, less weapon ... which makes them even 
more dangerous. Also, 2 of my friends from high school were murdered, 
one with a gun, one with a knife.

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Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

[thompnickson2]

Jochen would be wise to take vacation in a civilized country.

 

Oh, yes.  For sure.  But not because of the guns.  

 

n

 

Nick Thompson

thompnicks...@gmail.com

https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

 

-Original Message-
From: Friam  On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 4:04 PM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

 

Well, to contrast that a bit, I've had guns pointed at me (aggressively) 3 
times. (Many more "playfully".) None of them pulled the trigger, luckily. But 
that just proves that they do NOT take guns seriously. They are more toy, less 
weapon ... which makes them even more dangerous. Also, 2 of my friends from 
high school were murdered, one with a gun, one with a knife.

 

This country is more violent than privileged white dudes might have you 
believe. Jochen would be wise to take vacation in a civilized country.

 

 

On 10/22/21 2:50 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:

> Jochen,

> 

> I've spent more than 1/3 of my 78 years in New Mexico including the last 22.  
> I've never been shot at, I've never seen anyone be shot, and I've never known 
> anyone who was killed or wounded by gunfire.  I used to shoot rabbits when I 
> was a teenager but I regret that very much.

> 

> The police I've interacted with are courteous and try to be as helpful as 
> possible.  My original comment was said tongue-in-cheek.  I should have used 
> a smiley.

> 

> 

> Frank

> 

> ---

> Frank C. Wimberly

> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,

> Santa Fe, NM 87505

> 

> 505 670-9918

> Santa Fe, NM

> 

> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 3:08 PM Merle Lefkoff < 
> <mailto:merlelefk...@gmail.com%20%3cmailto:merlelefk...@gmail.com> 
> merlelefk...@gmail.com <mailto:merlelefk...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> 

> No.  If you read the article carefully, sometimes guns with blanks and 
> guns without bullets can kill people, and it has happened befofe on movie 
> sets.  It was a terrible and tragic accident.  I'm sure we'll learn what went 
> wrong.

> 

> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 9:55 AM < 
> <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com%20%3cmailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> 
> thompnicks...@gmail.com <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com>> wrote:

> 

> J-

> 

> __ __

> 

> Your note does seem to suggest that you are coming.  I would greatly 
> look forward to meeting with you, if that is the case.  

> 

> __ __

> 

> It is my understanding that loaded guns are normally prohibited on 
> movie sets for the obvious reasons.  Somebody must have been effing nuts.  
> 

> 

> __ __

> 

> Nick Thompson

> 

>  <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> thompnicks...@gmail.com < 
> <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com>

> 

>  <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> 
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ < 
> <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> 
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/>

> 

> __ __

> 

> *From:* Friam < 
> <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com%20%3cmailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> 
> friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com>> *On Behalf Of 
> *Frank Wimberly

> *Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2021 7:52 AM

> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < 
> <mailto:friam@redfish.com%20%3cmailto:friam@redfish.com> friam@redfish.com 
> <mailto:friam@redfish.com>>

> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

> 

> __ __

> 

> Too many loaded guns in NM.

> 

> __ __

> 

> Are you coming here Jochen?  We used to meet at St John's College 
> coffee shop.  There are many excellent places to have breakfast here.  I 
> recommend Saveur.

> 

> ---

> Frank C. Wimberly

> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,

> Santa Fe, NM 87505

> 

> 505 670-9918

> Santa Fe, NM

> 

> __ __

> 

> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 2:06 AM Jochen Fromm < 
> <mailto:j...@cas-group.net%20%3cmailto:j...@cas-group.net> j...@cas-group.net 
> <mailto:j...@cas-group.net>> wrote:

> 

> Today in the morning Santa Fe was in the news on TV. They 
> reported that Actor Alec Baldwin has accidentally shot a camera woman, 
> because the gun used for acting was fully loaded. It is rare that Santa Fe is 
> mentioned here in the news

>  
> <https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-arts-and-entertainment-new-mexico-movies-santa-fe-915b39db68

Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

[uǝlƃ ☤ $]

Well, to contrast that a bit, I've had guns pointed at me (aggressively) 3 
times. (Many more "playfully".) None of them pulled the trigger, luckily. But 
that just proves that they do NOT take guns seriously. They are more toy, less 
weapon ... which makes them even more dangerous. Also, 2 of my friends from 
high school were murdered, one with a gun, one with a knife.

This country is more violent than privileged white dudes might have you 
believe. Jochen would be wise to take vacation in a civilized country.


On 10/22/21 2:50 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote:
> Jochen,
> 
> I've spent more than 1/3 of my 78 years in New Mexico including the last 22.  
> I've never been shot at, I've never seen anyone be shot, and I've never known 
> anyone who was killed or wounded by gunfire.  I used to shoot rabbits when I 
> was a teenager but I regret that very much.
> 
> The police I've interacted with are courteous and try to be as helpful as 
> possible.  My original comment was said tongue-in-cheek.  I should have used 
> a smiley.
> 
> 
> Frank
> 
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
> 
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
> 
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 3:08 PM Merle Lefkoff  > wrote:
> 
> No.  If you read the article carefully, sometimes guns with blanks and 
> guns without bullets can kill people, and it has happened befofe on movie 
> sets.  It was a terrible and tragic accident.  I'm sure we'll learn what went 
> wrong.
> 
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 9:55 AM  > wrote:
> 
> J-
> 
> __ __
> 
> Your note does seem to suggest that you are coming.  I would greatly 
> look forward to meeting with you, if that is the case.  
> 
> __ __
> 
> It is my understanding that loaded guns are normally prohibited on 
> movie sets for the obvious reasons.  Somebody must have been effing nuts.  
> 
> 
> __ __
> 
> Nick Thompson
> 
> thompnicks...@gmail.com 
> 
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ 
> 
> 
> __ __
> 
> *From:* Friam  > *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> *Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2021 7:52 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
> mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe
> 
> __ __
> 
> Too many loaded guns in NM.
> 
> __ __
> 
> Are you coming here Jochen?  We used to meet at St John's College 
> coffee shop.  There are many excellent places to have breakfast here.  I 
> recommend Saveur.
> 
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
> 
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
> 
> __ __
> 
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 2:06 AM Jochen Fromm  > wrote:
> 
> Today in the morning Santa Fe was in the news on TV. They 
> reported that Actor Alec Baldwin has accidentally shot a camera woman, 
> because the gun used for acting was fully loaded. It is rare that Santa Fe is 
> mentioned here in the news
> 
> https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-arts-and-entertainment-new-mexico-movies-santa-fe-915b39db68b559f03103171fdaecca79
>  
> 
> 
> Where do you go for breakfast for normal FRIAM meetings (not 
> virtual ones)? What are the best coffeeshops and cafes in Santa Fe?
> 

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Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

[Frank Wimberly]

Jochen,

I've spent more than 1/3 of my 78 years in New Mexico including the last
22.  I've never been shot at, I've never seen anyone be shot, and I've
never known anyone who was killed or wounded by gunfire.  I used to shoot
rabbits when I was a teenager but I regret that very much.

The police I've interacted with are courteous and try to be as helpful as
possible.  My original comment was said tongue-in-cheek.  I should have
used a smiley.


Frank

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140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 3:08 PM Merle Lefkoff  wrote:

> No.  If you read the article carefully, sometimes guns with blanks and
> guns without bullets can kill people, and it has happened befofe on movie
> sets.  It was a terrible and tragic accident.  I'm sure we'll learn what
> went wrong.
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 9:55 AM  wrote:
>
>> J-
>>
>>
>>
>> Your note does seem to suggest that you are coming.  I would greatly look
>> forward to meeting with you, if that is the case.
>>
>>
>>
>> It is my understanding that loaded guns are normally prohibited on movie
>> sets for the obvious reasons.  Somebody must have been effing nuts.
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick Thompson
>>
>> thompnicks...@gmail.com
>>
>> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam  *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
>> *Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2021 7:52 AM
>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
>> friam@redfish.com>
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe
>>
>>
>>
>> Too many loaded guns in NM.
>>
>>
>>
>> Are you coming here Jochen?  We used to meet at St John's College
>> coffee shop.  There are many excellent places to have breakfast here.  I
>> recommend Saveur.
>>
>> ---
>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 2:06 AM Jochen Fromm  wrote:
>>
>> Today in the morning Santa Fe was in the news on TV. They reported that
>> Actor Alec Baldwin has accidentally shot a camera woman, because the gun
>> used for acting was fully loaded. It is rare that Santa Fe is mentioned
>> here in the news
>>
>> https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-arts-and-entertainment-new-mexico-movies-santa-fe-915b39db68b559f03103171fdaecca79
>>
>> Where do you go for breakfast for normal FRIAM meetings (not virtual
>> ones)? What are the best coffeeshops and cafes in Santa Fe?
>>
>>
>>
>> -J.
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

[Merle Lefkoff]

No.  If you read the article carefully, sometimes guns with blanks and guns
without bullets can kill people, and it has happened befofe on movie sets.
It was a terrible and tragic accident.  I'm sure we'll learn what went
wrong.

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 9:55 AM  wrote:

> J-
>
>
>
> Your note does seem to suggest that you are coming.  I would greatly look
> forward to meeting with you, if that is the case.
>
>
>
> It is my understanding that loaded guns are normally prohibited on movie
> sets for the obvious reasons.  Somebody must have been effing nuts.
>
>
>
> Nick Thompson
>
> thompnicks...@gmail.com
>
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam  *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> *Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2021 7:52 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe
>
>
>
> Too many loaded guns in NM.
>
>
>
> Are you coming here Jochen?  We used to meet at St John's College
> coffee shop.  There are many excellent places to have breakfast here.  I
> recommend Saveur.
>
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 2:06 AM Jochen Fromm  wrote:
>
> Today in the morning Santa Fe was in the news on TV. They reported that
> Actor Alec Baldwin has accidentally shot a camera woman, because the gun
> used for acting was fully loaded. It is rare that Santa Fe is mentioned
> here in the news
>
> https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-arts-and-entertainment-new-mexico-movies-santa-fe-915b39db68b559f03103171fdaecca79
>
> Where do you go for breakfast for normal FRIAM meetings (not virtual
> ones)? What are the best coffeeshops and cafes in Santa Fe?
>
>
>
> -J.
>
>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

[Gary Schiltz]

Jochen - I'm sorry that you feel as unsafe as you say about guns in the
USA. My own feeling, based on living in the States from birth until age 49
(13 years ago), is that the danger and direct impact on society from
firearms is much exaggerated by the news media. Like so many issues of our
time, our two-party winner-take-all system of elections has made guns a
political football. The same goes for the perception of how police officers
respond to citizens, including motorists, that they deal with. My own
experience has been that police in the USA are courteous and respectful. Of
course, I'm. a white guy who grew up with a respect for the police, so
others' experiences may differ. The USA certainly has its share of
problems, but it's still a pretty darned nice place to live and visit.

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 12:38 PM Jochen Fromm  wrote:

> No, we were wondering about a vacation in the US next year, but I do not
> feel safe because of this gun problem. If we rent a car, a police man stops
> us and I do a wrong movement he will probably shoot me, right? This would
> never happen in Europe.
>
> At the moment we are considering going to Canada in the summer, either
> Vancouver or Toronto, not sure yet.
>
> -J.
>
>
>  Original message 
> From: Frank Wimberly 
> Date: 10/22/21 15:52 (GMT+01:00)
> To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
>
> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe
>
> Too many loaded guns in NM.
>
> Are you coming here Jochen?  We used to meet at St John's College
> coffee shop.  There are many excellent places to have breakfast here.  I
> recommend Saveur.
>
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 2:06 AM Jochen Fromm  wrote:
>
>> Today in the morning Santa Fe was in the news on TV. They reported that
>> Actor Alec Baldwin has accidentally shot a camera woman, because the gun
>> used for acting was fully loaded. It is rare that Santa Fe is mentioned
>> here in the news
>>
>> https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-arts-and-entertainment-new-mexico-movies-santa-fe-915b39db68b559f03103171fdaecca79
>>
>> Where do you go for breakfast for normal FRIAM meetings (not virtual
>> ones)? What are the best coffeeshops and cafes in Santa Fe?
>>
>> -J.
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

[thompnickson2]

Jochen,

 

That we should not see you because you fear  being gunned down  in our streets 
seems like some sort of over correction.   Why don’t you at least go through 
the visa process so that once in Canada you can cross the border if you have 
the impulse?  I am never in Santa Fe in the summer so you would have to drop 
down the border into New England to see me.   

 

Nick  

 

Nick Thompson

 <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> thompnicks...@gmail.com

 <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> 
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

 

From: Friam  On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 11:38 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

 

No, we were wondering about a vacation in the US next year, but I do not feel 
safe because of this gun problem. If we rent a car, a police man stops us and I 
do a wrong movement he will probably shoot me, right? This would never happen 
in Europe.

 

At the moment we are considering going to Canada in the summer, either 
Vancouver or Toronto, not sure yet. 

 

-J.

 

 

 Original message 

From: Frank Wimberly mailto:wimber...@gmail.com> > 

Date: 10/22/21 15:52 (GMT+01:00) 

To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com> > 

Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe 

 

Too many loaded guns in NM.

 

Are you coming here Jochen?  We used to meet at St John's College coffee shop.  
There are many excellent places to have breakfast here.  I recommend Saveur.

---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

 

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 2:06 AM Jochen Fromm mailto:j...@cas-group.net> > wrote:

Today in the morning Santa Fe was in the news on TV. They reported that Actor 
Alec Baldwin has accidentally shot a camera woman, because the gun used for 
acting was fully loaded. It is rare that Santa Fe is mentioned here in the news
https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-arts-and-entertainment-new-mexico-movies-santa-fe-915b39db68b559f03103171fdaecca79

Where do you go for breakfast for normal FRIAM meetings (not virtual ones)? 
What are the best coffeeshops and cafes in Santa Fe?

 

-J.

 


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Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

[Steve Smith]

"guns don't kill people, bullets do"...

When I first moved to Los Alamos, the armed Protective Force there had 
just built a new gun range which included a course for training in "live 
battle" (think SWAT).   They had elaborate protocols using blank 
ammunition in place to prevent live-fire accidents, but within the first 
couple of years, one of the guards ended up shooting his best friend 
(also a guard) by accident.    I never learned the details of how this 
happened, but obviously one or more live rounds made it into the 
shooters weapon.


They shut those exercises down, at least for a few years... they may be 
back to those.


If that context, and the movie set context can't achieve zero-defect 
safety why would any bunch of yahoos running around playing cop/army 
with their expensive toys be any safer on average?



On 10/22/21 7:51 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:


Too many loaded guns in NM.

Are you coming here Jochen?  We used to meet at St John's College 
coffee shop.  There are many excellent places to have breakfast here.  
I recommend Saveur.


---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 2:06 AM Jochen Fromm  wrote:

Today in the morning Santa Fe was in the news on TV. They reported
that Actor Alec Baldwin has accidentally shot a camera woman,
because the gun used for acting was fully loaded. It is rare that
Santa Fe is mentioned here in the news

https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-arts-and-entertainment-new-mexico-movies-santa-fe-915b39db68b559f03103171fdaecca79

Where do you go for breakfast for normal FRIAM meetings (not
virtual ones)? What are the best coffeeshops and cafes in Santa Fe?

-J.


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Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

[Jochen Fromm]

No, we were wondering about a vacation in the US next year, but I do not feel 
safe because of this gun problem. If we rent a car, a police man stops us and I 
do a wrong movement he will probably shoot me, right? This would never happen 
in Europe.At the moment we are considering going to Canada in the summer, 
either Vancouver or Toronto, not sure yet. -J.
 Original message From: Frank Wimberly  
Date: 10/22/21  15:52  (GMT+01:00) To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity 
Coffee Group  Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe Too 
many loaded guns in NM.Are you coming here Jochen?  We used to meet at St 
John's College coffee shop.  There are many excellent places to have breakfast 
here.  I recommend Saveur.---Frank C. Wimberly140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 
87505505 670-9918Santa Fe, NMOn Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 2:06 AM Jochen Fromm 
 wrote:Today in the morning Santa Fe was in the news on TV. 
They reported that Actor Alec Baldwin has accidentally shot a camera woman, 
because the gun used for acting was fully loaded. It is rare that Santa Fe is 
mentioned here in the 
newshttps://apnews.com/article/entertainment-arts-and-entertainment-new-mexico-movies-santa-fe-915b39db68b559f03103171fdaecca79Where
 do you go for breakfast for normal FRIAM meetings (not virtual ones)? What are 
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Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

[uǝlƃ ☤ $]

The Guardian article on this incident mentioned Brandon Lee's death under 
similar circumstances. And claims the autopsy turned up an actual slug.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandon_Lee#Death

Regardless. Nobody wins in any of these scenarios. Our gun fetish is a problem.

On 10/22/21 9:43 AM, cody dooderson wrote:
> There is so much speculation about this, so I would like to add a bit of my 
> own. A trustworthy source tells me that "blank" bullets come in many 
> different forms. Some of them can be dangerous at close range. Also, it is 
> not uncommon for something to get clogged in the barrel of a gun, and when 
> the next blank fires it shoots the clog like a bullet. 
> I am speculating that it was actually a supersonic clog that shot out of the 
> gun instead of a bullet. I say this because it does seem effin nuts that live 
> ammo would find its way onto a movie set. 
> 
> Cody Smith
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 9:55 AM  > wrote:
> 
> J-
> 
> __ __
> 
> Your note does seem to suggest that you are coming.  I would greatly look 
> forward to meeting with you, if that is the case.  
> 
> __ __
> 
> It is my understanding that loaded guns are normally prohibited on movie 
> sets for the obvious reasons.  Somebody must have been effing nuts.  
> 
> __ __
> 
> Nick Thompson
> 
> thompnicks...@gmail.com 
> 
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ 
> 
> 
> __ __
> 
> *From:* Friam  > *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> *Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2021 7:52 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
> mailto:friam@redfish.com>>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe
> 
> __ __
> 
> Too many loaded guns in NM.
> 
> __ __
> 
> Are you coming here Jochen?  We used to meet at St John's College coffee 
> shop.  There are many excellent places to have breakfast here.  I recommend 
> Saveur.
> 
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
> 
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
> 
> __ __
> 
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 2:06 AM Jochen Fromm  > wrote:
> 
> Today in the morning Santa Fe was in the news on TV. They reported 
> that Actor Alec Baldwin has accidentally shot a camera woman, because the gun 
> used for acting was fully loaded. It is rare that Santa Fe is mentioned here 
> in the news
> 
> https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-arts-and-entertainment-new-mexico-movies-santa-fe-915b39db68b559f03103171fdaecca79
>  
> 
> 
> Where do you go for breakfast for normal FRIAM meetings (not virtual 
> ones)? What are the best coffeeshops and cafes in Santa Fe?


-- 
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Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

[cody dooderson]

There is so much speculation about this, so I would like to add a bit of my
own. A trustworthy source tells me that "blank" bullets come in many
different forms. Some of them can be dangerous at close range. Also, it is
not uncommon for something to get clogged in the barrel of a gun, and when
the next blank fires it shoots the clog like a bullet.
I am speculating that it was actually a supersonic clog that shot out of
the gun instead of a bullet. I say this because it does seem effin nuts
that live ammo would find its way onto a movie set.

Cody Smith


On Fri, Oct 22, 2021 at 9:55 AM  wrote:

> J-
>
>
>
> Your note does seem to suggest that you are coming.  I would greatly look
> forward to meeting with you, if that is the case.
>
>
>
> It is my understanding that loaded guns are normally prohibited on movie
> sets for the obvious reasons.  Somebody must have been effing nuts.
>
>
>
> Nick Thompson
>
> thompnicks...@gmail.com
>
> https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam  *On Behalf Of *Frank Wimberly
> *Sent:* Friday, October 22, 2021 7:52 AM
> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <
> friam@redfish.com>
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe
>
>
>
> Too many loaded guns in NM.
>
>
>
> Are you coming here Jochen?  We used to meet at St John's College
> coffee shop.  There are many excellent places to have breakfast here.  I
> recommend Saveur.
>
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 2:06 AM Jochen Fromm  wrote:
>
> Today in the morning Santa Fe was in the news on TV. They reported that
> Actor Alec Baldwin has accidentally shot a camera woman, because the gun
> used for acting was fully loaded. It is rare that Santa Fe is mentioned
> here in the news
>
> https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-arts-and-entertainment-new-mexico-movies-santa-fe-915b39db68b559f03103171fdaecca79
>
> Where do you go for breakfast for normal FRIAM meetings (not virtual
> ones)? What are the best coffeeshops and cafes in Santa Fe?
>
>
>
> -J.
>
>
>
>
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Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

[thompnickson2]

J-

 

Your note does seem to suggest that you are coming.  I would greatly look 
forward to meeting with you, if that is the case.  

 

It is my understanding that loaded guns are normally prohibited on movie sets 
for the obvious reasons.  Somebody must have been effing nuts.  

 

Nick Thompson

 <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> thompnicks...@gmail.com

 <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> 
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

 

From: Friam  On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Friday, October 22, 2021 7:52 AM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

 

Too many loaded guns in NM.

 

Are you coming here Jochen?  We used to meet at St John's College coffee shop.  
There are many excellent places to have breakfast here.  I recommend Saveur.

---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz, 
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

 

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 2:06 AM Jochen Fromm mailto:j...@cas-group.net> > wrote:

Today in the morning Santa Fe was in the news on TV. They reported that Actor 
Alec Baldwin has accidentally shot a camera woman, because the gun used for 
acting was fully loaded. It is rare that Santa Fe is mentioned here in the news
https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-arts-and-entertainment-new-mexico-movies-santa-fe-915b39db68b559f03103171fdaecca79

Where do you go for breakfast for normal FRIAM meetings (not virtual ones)? 
What are the best coffeeshops and cafes in Santa Fe?

 

-J.

 


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Re: [FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

[Frank Wimberly]

Too many loaded guns in NM.

Are you coming here Jochen?  We used to meet at St John's College
coffee shop.  There are many excellent places to have breakfast here.  I
recommend Saveur.

---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Fri, Oct 22, 2021, 2:06 AM Jochen Fromm  wrote:

> Today in the morning Santa Fe was in the news on TV. They reported that
> Actor Alec Baldwin has accidentally shot a camera woman, because the gun
> used for acting was fully loaded. It is rare that Santa Fe is mentioned
> here in the news
>
> https://apnews.com/article/entertainment-arts-and-entertainment-new-mexico-movies-santa-fe-915b39db68b559f03103171fdaecca79
>
> Where do you go for breakfast for normal FRIAM meetings (not virtual
> ones)? What are the best coffeeshops and cafes in Santa Fe?
>
> -J.
>
>
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[FRIAM] Breakfast in Santa Fe

[Jochen Fromm]

Today in the morning Santa Fe was in the news on TV. They reported that Actor 
Alec Baldwin has accidentally shot a camera woman, because the gun used for 
acting was fully loaded. It is rare that Santa Fe is mentioned here in the 
newshttps://apnews.com/article/entertainment-arts-and-entertainment-new-mexico-movies-santa-fe-915b39db68b559f03103171fdaecca79Where
 do you go for breakfast for normal FRIAM meetings (not virtual ones)? What are 
the best coffeeshops and cafes in Santa Fe?-J.
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