Re: [FRIAM] Dual booting in the Window's world

[Alfredo Covaleda]

Installing a dual boot machine is easy with today's Linux distributions.

A couple of months ago I used Octave to do some tasks in mathematics in
both Ubuntu Linux and Windows 7. Ubuntu Linux distrubution lacked of some
libraries and for these reason at the end I shifted to Windows to
accomplish the work with Octave.

There are to many IDEs in Linux to develop in C and C++ . Anjuta, for
example is an IDE belonging to Gnome. I have installed Dev-C++ IDE for
Windows in a Linux machine by using WINE (The windows emulator in Linux)
but it doesn't make sense to do it. Probably, most common choices in both
OS are NetBeans and Eclipse.

Virtual Machines always have crashed  when I have used them.


Hasta pronto y éxitos


2012/2/26 Owen Densmore 

> I have a friend who has an AMD processor based Windows system (Windows 7
> IIRC).
>
> He wishes to convert it to a dual-boot Windows/Linux system, with two
> bootable partitions, one for each OS.
>
> Many years ago I did this sort of thing, but a lot has changed.
>
> Do any of us have experience with this?  A good pointer/site on how to do
> this?
>
> He does seem to be confused a bit about all the possibilities:
> - Virtual Box
> - Cygwin
> - Dual boot (with both partitions being bootable)
> - Which distro to use (He mainly wants to do development w/ C/C++ within
> the mathematics world)
>
> I was surprised that he thought it necessary to use linux .. I presumed he
> could do everything he wanted to do in Windows itself but apparently
> compilers were not there and that sort of thing.  I do know on the mac you
> can install a "developer's sdk" for free (have to register) and presumed
> that was also possible with Windows.
>
> Any pointers much appreciated!  And alternatives too.
>
>-- Owen
>
> 
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>



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Re: [FRIAM] Dual booting in the Window's world

[Bruce Sherwood]

The Ubuntu installer for creating a dual-boot machine is vastly easier
to use now than it was a few years ago. I rather doubt that other
Linux distributions would have put as much work into this as Ubuntu
has. I tried to use Wubi but wasn't able to make that work; your
results may vary.

Cygwin or Msys aren't substitutes for Linux. Rather, they provide
Windows-runnable versions of Unix commands such as grep.

I too am puzzled by the notion that he needs compilers. There is a
free version of Microsoft Visual Studio that is completely adequate
for serious work compiling a variety of languages, including C and
C++. It's what I use to build VPython (vpython.org) binaries for
Windows.

Bruce

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:
> I have a friend who has an AMD processor based Windows system (Windows 7
> IIRC).
>
> He wishes to convert it to a dual-boot Windows/Linux system, with two
> bootable partitions, one for each OS.
>
> Many years ago I did this sort of thing, but a lot has changed.
>
> Do any of us have experience with this?  A good pointer/site on how to do
> this?
>
> He does seem to be confused a bit about all the possibilities:
> - Virtual Box
> - Cygwin
> - Dual boot (with both partitions being bootable)
> - Which distro to use (He mainly wants to do development w/ C/C++ within the
> mathematics world)
>
> I was surprised that he thought it necessary to use linux .. I presumed he
> could do everything he wanted to do in Windows itself but apparently
> compilers were not there and that sort of thing.  I do know on the mac you
> can install a "developer's sdk" for free (have to register) and presumed
> that was also possible with Windows.
>
> Any pointers much appreciated!  And alternatives too.
>
>    -- Owen
>
> 
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org


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Re: [FRIAM] Dual booting in the Window's world

[Douglas Roberts]

I was going to say that dual-booting was for sissies, but I decided not to.

It is, however, inefficient. VMs like VirtualBox work quite well.  All you
need to do is decide which OS (typically the one you are most comfortable
using) you want to be the host, and then install a guest OS VM to run under
it.

I've worked for the past 6 years using Linux as my main OS, with a Windows
XP guest running concurrently as a VirtualBox VM.

Best of both.

--Doug

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On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 8:09 PM, James Steiner wrote:

> Yes, all that is very easy nowadays, from what I hear. Do find someone who
> has done one recently, best practices have changed.  Many folks are happy
> to use virtualbox or the freeware version of vmware to run Linux in a vm in
> windows , some prefer to dual boot. Note than windows 7 has a built-in run
> time partition editor now, though it might be ignorant of the Linux
> filesystems inside those partitions. Also, windows nt, xp and 7 all have a
> bootloader, it can also be used to multiboot linux, but I think most Linux
> -centric folks overlook it for grub, etc.
>
> ~~James
> On Feb 26, 2012 7:32 PM, "Owen Densmore"  wrote:
>
>> I have a friend who has an AMD processor based Windows system (Windows 7
>> IIRC).
>>
>> He wishes to convert it to a dual-boot Windows/Linux system, with two
>> bootable partitions, one for each OS.
>>
>> Many years ago I did this sort of thing, but a lot has changed.
>>
>> Do any of us have experience with this?  A good pointer/site on how to do
>> this?
>>
>> He does seem to be confused a bit about all the possibilities:
>> - Virtual Box
>> - Cygwin
>> - Dual boot (with both partitions being bootable)
>> - Which distro to use (He mainly wants to do development w/ C/C++ within
>> the mathematics world)
>>
>> I was surprised that he thought it necessary to use linux .. I presumed
>> he could do everything he wanted to do in Windows itself but apparently
>> compilers were not there and that sort of thing.  I do know on the mac you
>> can install a "developer's sdk" for free (have to register) and presumed
>> that was also possible with Windows.
>>
>> Any pointers much appreciated!  And alternatives too.
>>
>>-- Owen
>>
>> 
>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
>> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>>
>
> 
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
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>

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Re: [FRIAM] Dual booting in the Window's world

[James Steiner]

Yes, all that is very easy nowadays, from what I hear. Do find someone who
has done one recently, best practices have changed.  Many folks are happy
to use virtualbox or the freeware version of vmware to run Linux in a vm in
windows , some prefer to dual boot. Note than windows 7 has a built-in run
time partition editor now, though it might be ignorant of the Linux
filesystems inside those partitions. Also, windows nt, xp and 7 all have a
bootloader, it can also be used to multiboot linux, but I think most Linux
-centric folks overlook it for grub, etc.

~~James
On Feb 26, 2012 7:32 PM, "Owen Densmore"  wrote:

> I have a friend who has an AMD processor based Windows system (Windows 7
> IIRC).
>
> He wishes to convert it to a dual-boot Windows/Linux system, with two
> bootable partitions, one for each OS.
>
> Many years ago I did this sort of thing, but a lot has changed.
>
> Do any of us have experience with this?  A good pointer/site on how to do
> this?
>
> He does seem to be confused a bit about all the possibilities:
> - Virtual Box
> - Cygwin
> - Dual boot (with both partitions being bootable)
> - Which distro to use (He mainly wants to do development w/ C/C++ within
> the mathematics world)
>
> I was surprised that he thought it necessary to use linux .. I presumed he
> could do everything he wanted to do in Windows itself but apparently
> compilers were not there and that sort of thing.  I do know on the mac you
> can install a "developer's sdk" for free (have to register) and presumed
> that was also possible with Windows.
>
> Any pointers much appreciated!  And alternatives too.
>
>-- Owen
>
> 
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>

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Re: [FRIAM] Dual booting in the Window's world

[Tom Carter]

All --

  I've had some reasonable success with Wubi (have a dual boot ASUS EEE PC . . 
.).  It's pretty easy to set up, and also seems to be reversible, if you want 
to uninstall later . . .

  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide

  Thanks . . .

Tom Carter

On Feb 26, 2012, at 5:37 PM, Gillian Densmore wrote:

> Yeah that's totaly doable-He/she will need to get his/her hands dirty
> with a linux bootloader(usualy GRUB). I thought visual studio spoke
> C-but if for what ever reason he/she'd rather do development on linux:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot I know that other
> distros support it. I've only done it a few times with partition magic
> and what not forunatly it's a little easier to do now. I think ubuntu
> has some way to run ontop of windows-haven't tride that yet. Just make
> sure the system can actualy run a distro of linux first! quite a few
> offer a live CD/DVD mode to see what (if anything) might be a problem
> interms of compatability. otherwise he/she should have fun with linux.
> 
> On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:
>> I have a friend who has an AMD processor based Windows system (Windows 7
>> IIRC).
>> 
>> He wishes to convert it to a dual-boot Windows/Linux system, with two
>> bootable partitions, one for each OS.
>> 
>> Many years ago I did this sort of thing, but a lot has changed.
>> 
>> Do any of us have experience with this?  A good pointer/site on how to do
>> this?
>> 
>> He does seem to be confused a bit about all the possibilities:
>> - Virtual Box
>> - Cygwin
>> - Dual boot (with both partitions being bootable)
>> - Which distro to use (He mainly wants to do development w/ C/C++ within the
>> mathematics world)
>> 
>> I was surprised that he thought it necessary to use linux .. I presumed he
>> could do everything he wanted to do in Windows itself but apparently
>> compilers were not there and that sort of thing.  I do know on the mac you
>> can install a "developer's sdk" for free (have to register) and presumed
>> that was also possible with Windows.
>> 
>> Any pointers much appreciated!  And alternatives too.
>> 
>>-- Owen
>> 
>> 
>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
>> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
> 
> 
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> 



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Re: [FRIAM] Dual booting in the Window's world

[Gillian Densmore]

Yeah that's totaly doable-He/she will need to get his/her hands dirty
with a linux bootloader(usualy GRUB). I thought visual studio spoke
C-but if for what ever reason he/she'd rather do development on linux:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot I know that other
distros support it. I've only done it a few times with partition magic
and what not forunatly it's a little easier to do now. I think ubuntu
has some way to run ontop of windows-haven't tride that yet. Just make
sure the system can actualy run a distro of linux first! quite a few
offer a live CD/DVD mode to see what (if anything) might be a problem
interms of compatability. otherwise he/she should have fun with linux.

On Sun, Feb 26, 2012 at 5:31 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:
> I have a friend who has an AMD processor based Windows system (Windows 7
> IIRC).
>
> He wishes to convert it to a dual-boot Windows/Linux system, with two
> bootable partitions, one for each OS.
>
> Many years ago I did this sort of thing, but a lot has changed.
>
> Do any of us have experience with this?  A good pointer/site on how to do
> this?
>
> He does seem to be confused a bit about all the possibilities:
> - Virtual Box
> - Cygwin
> - Dual boot (with both partitions being bootable)
> - Which distro to use (He mainly wants to do development w/ C/C++ within the
> mathematics world)
>
> I was surprised that he thought it necessary to use linux .. I presumed he
> could do everything he wanted to do in Windows itself but apparently
> compilers were not there and that sort of thing.  I do know on the mac you
> can install a "developer's sdk" for free (have to register) and presumed
> that was also possible with Windows.
>
> Any pointers much appreciated!  And alternatives too.
>
>    -- Owen
>
> 
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org


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[FRIAM] Dual booting in the Window's world

[Owen Densmore]

I have a friend who has an AMD processor based Windows system (Windows 7
IIRC).

He wishes to convert it to a dual-boot Windows/Linux system, with two
bootable partitions, one for each OS.

Many years ago I did this sort of thing, but a lot has changed.

Do any of us have experience with this?  A good pointer/site on how to do
this?

He does seem to be confused a bit about all the possibilities:
- Virtual Box
- Cygwin
- Dual boot (with both partitions being bootable)
- Which distro to use (He mainly wants to do development w/ C/C++ within
the mathematics world)

I was surprised that he thought it necessary to use linux .. I presumed he
could do everything he wanted to do in Windows itself but apparently
compilers were not there and that sort of thing.  I do know on the mac you
can install a "developer's sdk" for free (have to register) and presumed
that was also possible with Windows.

Any pointers much appreciated!  And alternatives too.

   -- Owen

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