Re: [FRIAM] GDP vs National Debt by Country |
The measure of national debt to GDP, is a very coarse measure and doesn't mean very much except to contain panic and reassure people in troubled economies. For instance we can compare the net savings rate situation where the US which was traditionally -ve and which has only reached positive levels of around 2 to 3% of net disposable incomes after this last (2008) recession versus Japan which has tapered off from its highs of 20+% to about 5% today In China the net savings rate is estimated to be effectively over 40% and in India over 25% (not the official figures). The high inflows of external money into safe harbors with high net savings rate is causing tremendous local overheating (inflation) and very soon we could witness a Rem trade or Rupee trade like the Yen trade of the previous decade. The effect would be worse on nations with aging populations and a social security culture. On Sun, May 16, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Russ Abbott russ.abb...@gmail.com wrote: Of the industrialized nations, Japan is in worst shape according to this measure. But no one seems to be worrying too much about the Yen. It's still treated as a safe harbor. -- Russ A FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] GDP vs National Debt by Country |
Some real surprises. Mostly about who's in the black.Russia? Libya? (Oil in both cases, I suppose.) Chile? On May 15, 2010, at 8:31 PM, Russ Abbott wrote: Corrected URL: http://www.visualeconomics.com/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country -- Russ On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Interesting, Owen. What do you make of this information? N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu) http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org [City University of Santa Fe] [Original Message] From: Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Date: 5/15/2010 5:52:30 PM Subject: [FRIAM] GDP vs National Debt by Country | Reading about national debt problems in Europe, I tried to see what it looks like here and in the rest of the world and found this: http://ww,w.visualeconomics.com/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country/, Owen I am an iPad, resistance is futile! FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] GDP vs National Debt by Country |
Here's a question for an economist. When I net it out I come up with $156 trillion surplus worldwide (equiv to 14% of the countries with surpluses). Shouldn't it come out to zero? Thanks Robert On 5/15/10 10:43 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote: Good times.. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2187rank.html FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
[FRIAM] GDP vs National Debt by Country |
Reading about national debt problems in Europe, I tried to see what it looks like here and in the rest of the world and found this: http://ww,w.visualeconomics.com/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country/, Owen I am an iPad, resistance is futile! FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] GDP vs National Debt by Country |
Interesting, Owen. What do you make of this information? N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu) http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org [City University of Santa Fe] [Original Message] From: Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Date: 5/15/2010 5:52:30 PM Subject: [FRIAM] GDP vs National Debt by Country | Reading about national debt problems in Europe, I tried to see what it looks like here and in the rest of the world and found this: http://ww,w.visualeconomics.com/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country/, Owen I am an iPad, resistance is futile! FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] GDP vs National Debt by Country |
Corrected URL: http://www.visualeconomics.com/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country -- Russ On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 5:11 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Interesting, Owen. What do you make of this information? N Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Ethology, Clark University (nthomp...@clarku.edu) http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/http://home.earthlink.net/%7Enickthompson/naturaldesigns/ http://www.cusf.org [City University of Santa Fe] [Original Message] From: Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Date: 5/15/2010 5:52:30 PM Subject: [FRIAM] GDP vs National Debt by Country | Reading about national debt problems in Europe, I tried to see what it looks like here and in the rest of the world and found this: http://ww,w.visualeconomics.com/gdp-vs-national-debt-by-country/, Owen I am an iPad, resistance is futile! FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] GDP vs National Debt by Country |
Well, I was interested in the European situation, and seeing the US debt being similar to others was surprising .. I figured we'd be off the charts! And the news talking heads were talking about the UK debt being the first order of business for the new gvt, but their debt was quite low. Owen I am an iPad, resistance is futile! On May 15, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Interesting, Owen. What do you make of this information? N FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] GDP vs National Debt by Country |
Of the industrialized nations, Japan is in worst shape according to this measure. But no one seems to be worrying too much about the Yen. It's still treated as a safe harbor. -- Russ A On Sat, May 15, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Well, I was interested in the European situation, and seeing the US debt being similar to others was surprising .. I figured we'd be off the charts! And the news talking heads were talking about the UK debt being the first order of business for the new gvt, but their debt was quite low. Owen I am an iPad, resistance is futile! On May 15, 2010, at 6:11 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Interesting, Owen. What do you make of this information? N FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
Re: [FRIAM] GDP vs National Debt by Country |
Good times.. https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2187rank.html FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
