Re: [FRIAM] Hywel
Frank, and all, Sorry. I had no desire to be offensive. I thought in my [perhaps overly-single minded way] that a good way to honor his memory would be to carry forward the discussion. But, perhaps too soon. I apologize. Speaking for myself, speaking OF myself, if I thought my death might provoke a flurry of honest conversations about the things I most care about, I might consider that a fair bargain. Take care, all, Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 2:33 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Hywel Intellectualization stands no chance as a defense against the reality of the death of our friends. Frank Wimberly www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly <http://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Fri, Jun 22, 2018, 10:52 AM Nick Thompson mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net> > wrote: Barry, Isn't it an Abductive process? Surely not inductive. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com <mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> ] On Behalf Of Barry MacKichan Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 10:09 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group mailto:friam@redfish.com> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Hywel I second Jon’s thoughts about Hywel’s contribution to our small group reading a gauge theory book. I came to appreciate Hywel’s point of view. In mathematics, we prove theorems starting with axioms or hypotheses. In spite the surpassing usefulness of mathematics in physics, it really boils down to trying to match a mathematical model to reality, and this always is an inductive process, not deductive. It’s not surprising that an experimental physicist will be more critical of some models, no matter how beautiful they may be mathematically. We will miss him and his thundering “Wrong!” --Barry On 22 Jun 2018, at 1:56, Jon Zingale wrote: > Thank you for passing this sad news on to friam. > I will miss Hywel very much and often enjoyed his contributions to our > gauge field theory book group over the last year. His sense of humor > often brought a chuckle and smile to my face. Hywel's unique > perspective on matters of physics and its tenuous relation to the > platonic world of numbers provided much food for my thought. After > all, 'Mathematics is ok, but it's better to know what you are doing' > :) > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe > at St. John's College to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
Re: [FRIAM] Hywel
Intellectualization stands no chance as a defense against the reality of the death of our friends. Frank Wimberly www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Fri, Jun 22, 2018, 10:52 AM Nick Thompson wrote: > Barry, > > Isn't it an Abductive process? > > Surely not inductive. > > Nick > > Nicholas S. Thompson > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > Clark University > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > -Original Message- > From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Barry > MacKichan > Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 10:09 AM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Hywel > > I second Jon’s thoughts about Hywel’s contribution to our small group > reading a gauge theory book. > I came to appreciate Hywel’s point of view. In mathematics, we prove > theorems starting with axioms or hypotheses. In spite the surpassing > usefulness of mathematics in physics, it really boils down to trying to > match a mathematical model to reality, and this always is an inductive > process, not deductive. It’s not surprising that an experimental physicist > will be more critical of some models, no matter how beautiful they may be > mathematically. > > We will miss him and his thundering “Wrong!” > > --Barry > > > On 22 Jun 2018, at 1:56, Jon Zingale wrote: > > > Thank you for passing this sad news on to friam. > > I will miss Hywel very much and often enjoyed his contributions to our > > gauge field theory book group over the last year. His sense of humor > > often brought a chuckle and smile to my face. Hywel's unique > > perspective on matters of physics and its tenuous relation to the > > platonic world of numbers provided much food for my thought. After > > all, 'Mathematics is ok, but it's better to know what you are doing' > > :) > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe > > at St. John's College to unsubscribe > > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > > > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
Re: [FRIAM] Hywel
Barry, Isn't it an Abductive process? Surely not inductive. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Barry MacKichan Sent: Friday, June 22, 2018 10:09 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Hywel I second Jon’s thoughts about Hywel’s contribution to our small group reading a gauge theory book. I came to appreciate Hywel’s point of view. In mathematics, we prove theorems starting with axioms or hypotheses. In spite the surpassing usefulness of mathematics in physics, it really boils down to trying to match a mathematical model to reality, and this always is an inductive process, not deductive. It’s not surprising that an experimental physicist will be more critical of some models, no matter how beautiful they may be mathematically. We will miss him and his thundering “Wrong!” --Barry On 22 Jun 2018, at 1:56, Jon Zingale wrote: > Thank you for passing this sad news on to friam. > I will miss Hywel very much and often enjoyed his contributions to our > gauge field theory book group over the last year. His sense of humor > often brought a chuckle and smile to my face. Hywel's unique > perspective on matters of physics and its tenuous relation to the > platonic world of numbers provided much food for my thought. After > all, 'Mathematics is ok, but it's better to know what you are doing' > :) > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe > at St. John's College to unsubscribe > http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
Re: [FRIAM] Hywel
I second Jon’s thoughts about Hywel’s contribution to our small group reading a gauge theory book. I came to appreciate Hywel’s point of view. In mathematics, we prove theorems starting with axioms or hypotheses. In spite the surpassing usefulness of mathematics in physics, it really boils down to trying to match a mathematical model to reality, and this always is an inductive process, not deductive. It’s not surprising that an experimental physicist will be more critical of some models, no matter how beautiful they may be mathematically. We will miss him and his thundering “Wrong!” --Barry On 22 Jun 2018, at 1:56, Jon Zingale wrote: Thank you for passing this sad news on to friam. I will miss Hywel very much and often enjoyed his contributions to our gauge field theory book group over the last year. His sense of humor often brought a chuckle and smile to my face. Hywel's unique perspective on matters of physics and its tenuous relation to the platonic world of numbers provided much food for my thought. After all, 'Mathematics is ok, but it's better to know what you are doing' :) FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
[FRIAM] Hywel
Thank you for passing this sad news on to friam. I will miss Hywel very much and often enjoyed his contributions to our gauge field theory book group over the last year. His sense of humor often brought a chuckle and smile to my face. Hywel's unique perspective on matters of physics and its tenuous relation to the platonic world of numbers provided much food for my thought. After all, 'Mathematics is ok, but it's better to know what you are doing' :) FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
Re: [FRIAM] Hywel
Hi Frank, That is very sad news indeed. Sadder yet his isolation toward the end, away from people who might have cared for him and enjoyed his company, even in a facility. I enjoyed those years when we met with him, and tried to get him to understand or even sympathize a little with the mathematical point. of view. No luck there, but I found the challenge very interesting, as an applied mathematician would of a brilliant and cantankerous old experimental physicist. A Welshman to boot, he loved Dylan Thomas, and could recite him at length with the same brogue. In the end his angry and insulting out bursts became too much for what I was getting out the experience, considering what I was getting from others. I always admired you patience with him. I bet tennis helped! Thanks for letting me know. Please inform me of any memorial or some such. Regards ... Dean On Wednesday, June 20, 2018, 10:49:06 AM MDT, Frank Wimberly wrote: Our dear friend and colleague Hywel White died this morning from lung cancer. Frank Frank Wimberly www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
[FRIAM] Hywel
Our dear friend and colleague Hywel White died this morning from lung cancer. Frank Frank Wimberly www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ by Dr. Strangelove
[FRIAM] Hywel White et al re 2010 and 1995 neutrino mass findings at Los Alamos Neutrino Detector: Rich Murray 2010.07.10
Hywel White et al re 2010 and1995 neutrino mass findings at Los Alamos Neutrino Detector: Rich Murray 2010.07.10 I have been privileged for over 2 years to warmly appreciate many explorers with sophisticated views at Friday Morning Group. As a layman in all areas, I notice that science always expands and evolves, presenting increasingly subtle paradigms that express aspects of the evolving infinite unity that is our shared reality. Physics has accomplished miracles with the paradigm of nested vibrating geometric processes, invoking ever more abstract layers. The current results use over 4 times the amount of mineral oil as in 1995 -- doubling every 7 years. That was the year when the exponential evolution of the Net showed up as a reality for many citizens -- a history accelerating mutation that was initiated in the global physics lab CERN in 1990. Ipso facto, disruption of established social patterns, chaotic arising of multiple networks of human harmonization. Not disutopia, but Golden Age? Neutrinos, the ubiquitous daughters of the weak interaction, start their universe-traversing lives as one of three varieties: ve, vu, or vt. However, like ghosts with an identity crisis, these phantasmal particles find themselves constantly morphing from one variety to another, or oscillating, as they propagate on their long journeys. Great Google! http://www.symmetrymagazine.org/breaking/2010/06/18/miniboone-results-suggest-antineutrinos-act-differently/ Symmetry Breaking blog archive, extra dimensions of particle physics, a joint FermiLab/SLAC publication Neutrinos, the ubiquitous daughters of the weak interaction, start their universe-traversing lives as one of three varieties: ve, vu, or vt. However, like ghosts with an identity crisis, these phantasmal particles find themselves constantly morphing from one variety to another, or oscillating, as they propagate on their long journeys. Now the MiniBooNE experiment has found that antineutrinos, which should follow the same rules as neutrinos, might oscillate in a slightly different way. The results seem to favor a much-debated antineutrino result obtained by the Liquid Scintillator Neutrino Detector experiment in 1990. The MiniBooNE experiment studies these oscillations by creating intense beams of muon neutrinos and antineutrinos, and directing them at an 800-ton sphere filled with mineral oil and located a half a kilometer away from the beam's source. The vast majority of these particles pass through the detector unscathed; however, a few unlucky voyagers pass too close to a carbon nucleus. The neutrinos, or antineutrinos, interact with carbon nuclei, giving scientists a glimpse of the particles' true identities. MiniBooNE counts how many muon antineutrinos oscillate into electron antineutrinos over a relatively short distance. A 1990 result from the LSND experiment at Los Alamos, which used a beam of muon antineutrinos, reported electron antineutrinos appearing about 0.25 percent of the time. The result is difficult for scientists to reconcile in a world with only three active neutrinos. Earlier this week, after nearly three years of running in antineutrino mode, MiniBooNE collaborators announced that they had obtained a result consistent with the findings from LSND. In fact, analyzing the data in the context of a standard two neutrino mixing model favors an LSND-like signal at a 99.4 percent confidence level. However, model-independent tests show there is still a three percent chance that background fluctutations could mimic the data. While this new result is intriguing, a confirmation of LSND will require more data. Interpretations of the latest MiniBooNE results are complicated due to an apparent difference between the way neutrinos and antineutrinos behave. In a prior analysis based on four years of running with a beam of muon neutrinos, the MiniBooNE experiment did not observe significant evidence for muon neutrinos oscillating to electron neutrinos in the energy range expected under the simplest models for explaining the LSND result. However, an excess was observed at lower neutrino energies (below 475 MeV) at a 3 sigma significance that remains unexplained. Interestingly, the MINOS results announced earlier this week also raises the question as to whether neutrinos and antineutrinos behave differently. The MiniBooNE experiment continues to acquire data, and scientists on the project are hoping to nearly double the antineutrino statistics before the experiment finishes acquiring data within the next two years. Future experiments, such as MicroBooNE or BooNE, a proposal to build a second MiniBooNE detector at a near location, could help to shed more light on these results. This story first appeared in Fermilab Today on June 18, 2010. Rhianna Wisniewski http://www.physicsresearch.tk/2010/02/page/3 This is a Physics News Update distributed by Phillip Schewe of AIP Public
