Re: [FRIAM] Let the gun-control vs information-wants-to-be-free wars begin!

[bandit]

http://www.ted.com/talks/marc_goodman_a_vision_of_crimes_in_the_future.html

The problem is - he is a cop, and sees life thru the lenses of a cop. and
cops want control. Of course, one example he gives is the drug war - but
does not examine root cause.

... bandit


> Hmmm I suppose this is a bit of a tricky question,
>
> it is illegal to distribute material on how to make an explosive:
> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/842 (section P.2 at the end)
>
> On the other hand, it is legal for people to distribute information
> and blueprints on how to make a gun in a machine shop. My guess is a
> CAD file falls under "instructions on how to make a gun" and will
> likely be protected. I could see future legislation forbidding the
> distribution of CAD files on how to make a illegal parts (silencers,
> automatic conversion, large round clips etc) if a terrorist ever uses
> a CAD gun.
>
>
>
> 
> Greg Sonnenfeld
>
> “Two h's walk into a bar. The first one says, "What is this? Some kind
> of physics joke?”
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Steve Smith  wrote:
>> Did I just mention that we live in strange (e.g. interesting in the
>> Confucian sense) times?
>>
>> the-worlds-first-3d-printed-gun
>>
>> cant be long before you can DL a Glock .STL file  oh wait! what's
>> this ?
>>
>> Someone in the comments of SlashDot suggested that we might end up
>> outlawing
>> 3D printers and someone else suggested outlawing the teaching of
>> geometry...
>> but we all know from the rash of "script kiddies" that you don't need to
>> understand the tools you are wielding to be effective en-masse!
>>
>> And re the Glock .STL... whatever happened to old fashioned "soap
>> carving"
>> and "boot black" ?
>>
>> - Steve
>>
>> 
>> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
>> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
>> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
>
>
>


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Re: [FRIAM] Let the gun-control vs information-wants-to-be-free wars begin!

[Robert J. Cordingley]

In the processing industry it's important to protect property and 
personnel from fire (and possible explosions).  So safety experts drill 
staff in the basic concept of what it takes to make a fire:


1. Fuel
2. Oxygen
3. A Spark of Ignition


Oxygen could be endogenous or otherwise.  As an engineer we always 
assumed that a Spark of Ignition would be present (sooner or later) so 
the engineering task is to prevent the fuel mixing with the oxygen. 
Sometimes this is tricky with endogenous oxygen which is why explosive 
factories are so dangerous.


I mention this because I see an analogy with gun control.  To have a 
shooting massacre one needs:


1. Weapon(s)
2. (potential) Victims
3. a Nutter


and we should assume that a Nutter like a Spark of Ignition will be 
present (sooner or later).  So we have to prevent Weapons mixing with 
potential Victims.  The airline industry works hard to do this, perhaps 
we should think of other precautions.


Just a thought.
Thanks
Robert C



On 7/26/12 1:41 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
Did I just mention that we live in strange (e.g. interesting in the 
Confucian sense) times?


the-worlds-first-3d-printed-gun



cant be long before you can DL a Glock .STL file  oh wait!
what's this

?

Someone in the comments of SlashDot suggested that we might end up 
outlawing 3D printers and someone else suggested outlawing the 
teaching of geometry... but we all know from the rash of "script 
kiddies" that you don't need to understand the tools you are wielding 
to be effective en-masse!


And re the Glock .STL... whatever happened to old fashioned "soap 
carving" and "boot black" ?


- Steve



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Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
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Re: [FRIAM] Let the gun-control vs information-wants-to-be-free wars begin!

[Greg Sonnenfeld]

Hmmm I suppose this is a bit of a tricky question,

it is illegal to distribute material on how to make an explosive:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/842 (section P.2 at the end)

On the other hand, it is legal for people to distribute information
and blueprints on how to make a gun in a machine shop. My guess is a
CAD file falls under "instructions on how to make a gun" and will
likely be protected. I could see future legislation forbidding the
distribution of CAD files on how to make a illegal parts (silencers,
automatic conversion, large round clips etc) if a terrorist ever uses
a CAD gun.




Greg Sonnenfeld

“Two h's walk into a bar. The first one says, "What is this? Some kind
of physics joke?”


On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Steve Smith  wrote:
> Did I just mention that we live in strange (e.g. interesting in the
> Confucian sense) times?
>
> the-worlds-first-3d-printed-gun
>
> cant be long before you can DL a Glock .STL file  oh wait! what's this ?
>
> Someone in the comments of SlashDot suggested that we might end up outlawing
> 3D printers and someone else suggested outlawing the teaching of geometry...
> but we all know from the rash of "script kiddies" that you don't need to
> understand the tools you are wielding to be effective en-masse!
>
> And re the Glock .STL... whatever happened to old fashioned "soap carving"
> and "boot black" ?
>
> - Steve
>
> 
> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
> lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org


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Re: [FRIAM] Let the gun-control vs information-wants-to-be-free wars begin!

[Steve Smith]

And for the retro-Steampunk crowd:

   http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/3dsmax-pepperbox-gun/409866

Did I just mention that we live in strange (e.g. interesting in the 
Confucian sense) times?


the-worlds-first-3d-printed-gun



cant be long before you can DL a Glock .STL file  oh wait!
what's this

?

Someone in the comments of SlashDot suggested that we might end up 
outlawing 3D printers and someone else suggested outlawing the 
teaching of geometry... but we all know from the rash of "script 
kiddies" that you don't need to understand the tools you are wielding 
to be effective en-masse!


And re the Glock .STL... whatever happened to old fashioned "soap 
carving" and "boot black" ?


- Steve



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Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org



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[FRIAM] Let the gun-control vs information-wants-to-be-free wars begin!

[Steve Smith]

Did I just mention that we live in strange (e.g. interesting in the 
Confucian sense) times?


   the-worlds-first-3d-printed-gun
   


   cant be long before you can DL a Glock .STL file  oh wait!
   what's this
   
   ?

Someone in the comments of SlashDot suggested that we might end up 
outlawing 3D printers and someone else suggested outlawing the teaching 
of geometry... but we all know from the rash of "script kiddies" that 
you don't need to understand the tools you are wielding to be effective 
en-masse!


And re the Glock .STL... whatever happened to old fashioned "soap 
carving" and "boot black" ?


- Steve

FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv
Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College
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