[FRIAM] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/04/technology/pamela-mccorduck-dead.html [eom]

[Marcus Daniels]

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Re: [FRIAM] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/04/technology/pamela-mccorduck-dead.html [eom]

[Frank Wimberly]

I'm so sorry about that.  I just reviewed the many emails Pam and I
exchanged over the years.

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Re: [FRIAM] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/04/technology/pamela-mccorduck-dead.html [eom]

[Stephen Guerin]

We were fortunate to have Pamela among us. Take some time and search
the interwebs
on Pamela . Order her books

and watch her interviews
.
Pamela witnessed the birth and the growth of AI and danced and sparred with
the great luminaries (Herb Simon, Ed Feigenbaum, her husband Joe Traub, Raj
Reddy, etc) - She was a humanist that interpreted the field and created
bridges for Snow's Two Cultures. She was an equal among the masters.

She reminded me of my favorite aunts, one that humored explorations but let
you know you still had no idea what you're talking about.  I always valued
her perspective and was honored she was watching and
occasionally participating.

Pamela was one of the great ones.

-Stephen
___
stephen.gue...@simtable.com 
CEO, Simtable  http://www.simtable.com
1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505
office: (505)995-0206 mobile: (505)577-5828
twitter: @simtable
z oom.simtable.com


On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 9:39 PM Frank Wimberly  wrote:

> I'm so sorry about that.  I just reviewed the many emails Pam and I
> exchanged over the years.
>
> ---
> Frank C. Wimberly
> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>
> 505 670-9918
> Santa Fe, NM
>
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, 6:01 PM Marcus Daniels  wrote:
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Re: [FRIAM] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/04/technology/pamela-mccorduck-dead.html [eom]

[Merle Lefkoff]

Thank you Marcus and Stephen for your remarks.  Pamela and Joe were good
friends, and she was a  mentor for me as I struggled to enter the new world
of complex systems.  We met when Pamela interviewed me for her book "The
Futures for Women" which, not surprisingly, you won't see mentioned among
her many contributions (some things never change).

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 3:02 AM Stephen Guerin 
wrote:

> We were fortunate to have Pamela among us. Take some time and search the 
> interwebs
> on Pamela . Order her
> books
> 
> and watch her interviews
> .
> Pamela witnessed the birth and the growth of AI and danced and sparred with
> the great luminaries (Herb Simon, Ed Feigenbaum, her husband Joe Traub, Raj
> Reddy, etc) - She was a humanist that interpreted the field and created
> bridges for Snow's Two Cultures. She was an equal among the masters.
>
> She reminded me of my favorite aunts, one that humored explorations but
> let you know you still had no idea what you're talking about.  I always
> valued her perspective and was honored she was watching and
> occasionally participating.
>
> Pamela was one of the great ones.
>
> -Stephen
> ___
> stephen.gue...@simtable.com 
> CEO, Simtable  http://www.simtable.com
> 1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505
> office: (505)995-0206 mobile: (505)577-5828
> twitter: @simtable
> z oom.simtable.com
>
>
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 9:39 PM Frank Wimberly  wrote:
>
>> I'm so sorry about that.  I just reviewed the many emails Pam and I
>> exchanged over the years.
>>
>> ---
>> Frank C. Wimberly
>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>
>> 505 670-9918
>> Santa Fe, NM
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, 6:01 PM Marcus Daniels  wrote:
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Merle Lefkoff, Ph.D.
Center for Emergent Diplomacy
emergentdiplomacy.org
Santa Fe, New Mexico, USA

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Re: [FRIAM] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/04/technology/pamela-mccorduck-dead.html [eom]

[Jon Zingale]

The Futures Of Women: Scenarios For The Twenty-first Century - Pamela
McCorduck, Nancy Ramsey

https://www.buckstar.nl/jp/958mp16118z/

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Re: [FRIAM] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/04/technology/pamela-mccorduck-dead.html [eom]

[thompnickson2]

Jon,

 

Got a 503 error when I went to this link.  Que va?

 

Nick Thompson

 <mailto:thompnicks...@gmail.com> thompnicks...@gmail.com

 <https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/> 
https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/

 

From: Friam  On Behalf Of Jon Zingale
Sent: Friday, November 5, 2021 9:50 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] 
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/04/technology/pamela-mccorduck-dead.html [eom]

 

The Futures Of Women: Scenarios For The Twenty-first Century - Pamela 
McCorduck, Nancy Ramsey

 

https://www.buckstar.nl/jp/958mp16118z/


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Re: [FRIAM] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/04/technology/pamela-mccorduck-dead.html [eom]

[Steve Smith]

I did not know Pamela well, having only met her in person once or 
twice.  We did have a number of very gracious/generous off-list 
exchanges after Joe died.  I am always intrigued by anyone who bothers 
to engage with the harder/tech world from a humanist point of view.


I didn't know Joe at all, but in listening to a panel discussion 
 with Pamela a couple of 
years ago, she attributed the "Reasonable Person Principle" to Joe, or 
at least to him having shepherded it well while CS chair at CMU.  On a 
good day, it feels as if FriAM tries to approach this.


From Joe's Memorium at CMU 



   "I have always admired Joe's leadership style, which was strongly
   rooted in the Reasonable Person Principle," said Shaw, the Alan J.
   Perlis University Professor of Computer Science and a National Medal
   of Technology and Innovation recipient. "He made decisions by
   building consensus, sometimes by public meetings preceded by
   position papers, sometimes by walking around and talking to people.
   He rarely, if ever, was the main public advocate for a position, but
   he rather shepherded the discussion to a reasonable outcome."

I had forgotten that Pamela published a memoir and announcing that was 
(best I can tell) her last contribution to this list just over 2 years 
ago...


https://press.etc.cmu.edu/index.php/product/this-could-be-important/

Mary has read  a lot of memoirs with me in the last 4-5 years... 
Pamela's now goes on our list.  I only wish I'd bothered when she 
announced it.


- Steve


On 11/5/21 4:02 AM, Merle Lefkoff wrote:
Thank you Marcus and Stephen for your remarks.  Pamela and Joe were 
good friends, and she was a  mentor for me as I struggled to enter the 
new world of complex systems.  We met when Pamela interviewed me for 
her book "The Futures for Women" which, not surprisingly, you won't 
see mentioned among her many contributions (some things never change).


On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 3:02 AM Stephen Guerin 
 wrote:


We were fortunate to have Pamela among us. Take some time and
search the interwebs on Pamela
. Order her books


and watch her interviews

.
Pamela witnessed the birth and the growth of AI and danced and
sparred with the great luminaries (Herb Simon, Ed Feigenbaum, her
husband Joe Traub, Raj Reddy, etc) - She was a humanist that
interpreted the field and created bridges for Snow's Two Cultures.
She was an equal among the masters.

She reminded me of my favorite aunts, one that humored
explorations but let you know you still had no idea what you're
talking about.  I always valued her perspective and was honored
she was watching and occasionally participating.

Pamela was one of the great ones.

-Stephen
___
stephen.gue...@simtable.com 
CEO, Simtable http://www.simtable.com
1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505
office: (505)995-0206 mobile: (505)577-5828
twitter: @simtable
z oom.simtable.com



On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 9:39 PM Frank Wimberly
 wrote:

I'm so sorry about that.  I just reviewed the many emails Pam
and I exchanged over the years.

---
Frank C. Wimberly
140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, 6:01 PM Marcus Daniels
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Re: [FRIAM] https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/04/technology/pamela-mccorduck-dead.html [eom]

[Frank Wimberly]

The Shaw who is quoted there's Mary Shaw, a very accomplished computer
scientist.  She and I went flying together once.  She is a avid pilot.
Maybe I should say was.  She's older than I am and insurance companies make
it difficult after 70.

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140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
Santa Fe, NM 87505

505 670-9918
Santa Fe, NM

On Fri, Nov 5, 2021, 11:31 AM Steve Smith  wrote:

> I did not know Pamela well, having only met her in person once or twice.
> We did have a number of very gracious/generous off-list exchanges after Joe
> died.  I am always intrigued by anyone who bothers to engage with the
> harder/tech world from a humanist point of view.
>
> I didn't know Joe at all, but in listening to a panel discussion
>  with Pamela a couple of
> years ago, she attributed the "Reasonable Person Principle" to Joe, or at
> least to him having shepherded it well while CS chair at CMU.  On a good
> day, it feels as if FriAM tries to approach this.
>
> From Joe's Memorium at CMU
> 
>
> "I have always admired Joe's leadership style, which was strongly rooted
> in the Reasonable Person Principle," said Shaw, the Alan J. Perlis
> University Professor of Computer Science and a National Medal of Technology
> and Innovation recipient. "He made decisions by building consensus,
> sometimes by public meetings preceded by position papers, sometimes by
> walking around and talking to people. He rarely, if ever, was the main
> public advocate for a position, but he rather shepherded the discussion to
> a reasonable outcome."
>
> I had forgotten that Pamela published a memoir and announcing that was
> (best I can tell) her last contribution to this list just over 2 years
> ago...
>
> https://press.etc.cmu.edu/index.php/product/this-could-be-important/
>
> Mary has read  a lot of memoirs with me in the last 4-5 years... Pamela's
> now goes on our list.  I only wish I'd bothered when she announced it.
>
> - Steve
>
>
> On 11/5/21 4:02 AM, Merle Lefkoff wrote:
>
> Thank you Marcus and Stephen for your remarks.  Pamela and Joe were good
> friends, and she was a  mentor for me as I struggled to enter the new world
> of complex systems.  We met when Pamela interviewed me for her book "The
> Futures for Women" which, not surprisingly, you won't see mentioned among
> her many contributions (some things never change).
>
> On Fri, Nov 5, 2021 at 3:02 AM Stephen Guerin 
> wrote:
>
>> We were fortunate to have Pamela among us. Take some time and search the 
>> interwebs
>> on Pamela . Order her
>> books
>> 
>> and watch her interviews
>> .
>> Pamela witnessed the birth and the growth of AI and danced and sparred with
>> the great luminaries (Herb Simon, Ed Feigenbaum, her husband Joe Traub, Raj
>> Reddy, etc) - She was a humanist that interpreted the field and created
>> bridges for Snow's Two Cultures. She was an equal among the masters.
>>
>> She reminded me of my favorite aunts, one that humored explorations but
>> let you know you still had no idea what you're talking about.  I always
>> valued her perspective and was honored she was watching and
>> occasionally participating.
>>
>> Pamela was one of the great ones.
>>
>> -Stephen
>> ___
>> stephen.gue...@simtable.com 
>> CEO, Simtable  http://www.simtable.com
>> 1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505
>> office: (505)995-0206 mobile: (505)577-5828
>> twitter: @simtable
>> z oom.simtable.com
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021 at 9:39 PM Frank Wimberly 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm so sorry about that.  I just reviewed the many emails Pam and I
>>> exchanged over the years.
>>>
>>> ---
>>> Frank C. Wimberly
>>> 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,
>>> Santa Fe, NM 87505
>>>
>>> 505 670-9918
>>> Santa Fe, NM
>>>
>>> On Thu, Nov 4, 2021, 6:01 PM Marcus Daniels 
>>> wrote:
>>>


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