Re: [FRIAM] Ok STEM folks, explain?

2018-07-25 Thread Nick Thompson 
Hi frank, 

 

Forgive me for poaching Hywel’s shot.

 

I guess he would have said, “In time, this flood will fade into the background 
noise of geological history.”  Or am I wrong about that.Here! Here’s the 
cudgel.  You take a whack at it.  

 

By the way, we’ve had six inches of rain since the beginning of July.  No 
record-making event, to be sure, but it is interesting that it’s happening both 
there and here.  Usually, the country is a seesaw.  

 

Nick 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> 
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From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 2:21 PM
To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Ok STEM folks, explain?

 

That has a lot of predictable structure.  Not random.


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On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 8:23 AM Nick Thompson mailto:nickthomp...@earthlink.net> > wrote:

Steve, 

 

I Hywel’s absence, I will take up his cudgel:

 

“Steve.  If this is not random, what does random look like? “ 

 

Nick 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> 
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com 
<mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com> ] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:16 AM
To: friam@redfish.com <mailto:friam@redfish.com> 
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Ok STEM folks, explain?

 

Looks like the Loch Ness Monster traveled up the Rio Grande, the Santa Fe River 
into Arroyo Chamiso?

I have an arroyo behind my house in San Ildefonso which is also wide and flat 
which had this behaviour a few years ago during a flash flood.  6' tall 
standing waves for a good 30 minutes.   

 

On 7/25/18 4:07 AM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez wrote:

For those who already abandoned facebook I think this is the same video from 
youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG_K1sIVmLI 
and I include a couple impressive videos 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecVouNETYaI  and 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ASTkSYXfA and there are several posts of 
these recent floods in youtube

Look out right there. Is it normal in Santa Fe? Must ask climate change deniers 
what is going on. 

 

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 1:23 AM, Carl Tollander mailto:c...@plektyx.com> > wrote:

Sorry try this 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156937272769369 
<https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156937272769369&id=645414368> 
&id=645414368

 

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 00:17 Carl Tollander mailto:c...@plektyx.com> > wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/10731093992/posts/1994344690599881/

 

This is local in Santa Fe (Arroyo Chamiso bike trail I think near Chavez 
center).  Non-flash-flood sandy base is normally flat, about 2 pct grade maybe 
4-5 feet below trail.  What is the frequency and how does this occur?  Why is 
this happening next to the path and not out in the middle of the arroyo?

 

Solitons?  Skipping stones?  What?

 

We live here; we should know this stuff.

 

 

 

 

 



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Re: [FRIAM] Ok STEM folks, explain?

2018-07-25 Thread Alfredo Covaleda Vélez 
Asi eso. Not random.

https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1029/2004WR003923

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 1:21 PM, Frank Wimberly  wrote:

> That has a lot of predictable structure.  Not random.
>
> 
> Frank Wimberly
>
> www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly
>
> https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2
>
> Phone (505) 670-9918
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 8:23 AM Nick Thompson 
> wrote:
>
>> Steve,
>>
>>
>>
>> I Hywel’s absence, I will take up his cudgel:
>>
>>
>>
>> “Steve.  If this is not random, what does random look like? “
>>
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>>
>>
>> Nicholas S. Thompson
>>
>> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>>
>> Clark University
>>
>> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven A
>> Smith
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:16 AM
>> *To:* friam@redfish.com
>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Ok STEM folks, explain?
>>
>>
>>
>> Looks like the Loch Ness Monster traveled up the Rio Grande, the Santa Fe
>> River into Arroyo Chamiso?
>>
>> I have an arroyo behind my house in San Ildefonso which is also wide and
>> flat which had this behaviour a few years ago during a flash flood.  6'
>> tall standing waves for a good 30 minutes.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/25/18 4:07 AM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez wrote:
>>
>> For those who already abandoned facebook I think this is the same video
>> from youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG_K1sIVmLI
>> and I include a couple impressive videos https://www.youtube.com/watch?
>> v=ecVouNETYaI  and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ASTkSYXfA and there
>> are several posts of these recent floods in youtube
>>
>> Look out right there. Is it normal in Santa Fe? Must ask climate change
>> deniers what is going on.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 1:23 AM, Carl Tollander  wrote:
>>
>> Sorry try this
>>
>> https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=
>> 10156937272769369&id=645414368
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 00:17 Carl Tollander  wrote:
>>
>> https://www.facebook.com/10731093992/posts/1994344690599881/
>>
>>
>>
>> This is local in Santa Fe (Arroyo Chamiso bike trail I think near Chavez
>> center).  Non-flash-flood sandy base is normally flat, about 2 pct grade
>> maybe 4-5 feet below trail.  What is the frequency and how does this
>> occur?  Why is this happening next to the path and not out in the middle of
>> the arroyo?
>>
>>
>>
>> Solitons?  Skipping stones?  What?
>>
>>
>>
>> We live here; we should know this stuff.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Ok STEM folks, explain?

2018-07-25 Thread Frank Wimberly 
That has a lot of predictable structure.  Not random.


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On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 8:23 AM Nick Thompson 
wrote:

> Steve,
>
>
>
> I Hywel’s absence, I will take up his cudgel:
>
>
>
> “Steve.  If this is not random, what does random look like? “
>
>
>
> Nick
>
>
>
> Nicholas S. Thompson
>
> Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology
>
> Clark University
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/
>
>
>
> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Steven A
> Smith
> *Sent:* Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:16 AM
> *To:* friam@redfish.com
> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Ok STEM folks, explain?
>
>
>
> Looks like the Loch Ness Monster traveled up the Rio Grande, the Santa Fe
> River into Arroyo Chamiso?
>
> I have an arroyo behind my house in San Ildefonso which is also wide and
> flat which had this behaviour a few years ago during a flash flood.  6'
> tall standing waves for a good 30 minutes.
>
>
>
> On 7/25/18 4:07 AM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez wrote:
>
> For those who already abandoned facebook I think this is the same video
> from youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG_K1sIVmLI
> and I include a couple impressive videos
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecVouNETYaI  and
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ASTkSYXfA and there are several posts
> of these recent floods in youtube
>
> Look out right there. Is it normal in Santa Fe? Must ask climate change
> deniers what is going on.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 1:23 AM, Carl Tollander  wrote:
>
> Sorry try this
>
> https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156937272769369&id=645414368
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 00:17 Carl Tollander  wrote:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/10731093992/posts/1994344690599881/
>
>
>
> This is local in Santa Fe (Arroyo Chamiso bike trail I think near Chavez
> center).  Non-flash-flood sandy base is normally flat, about 2 pct grade
> maybe 4-5 feet below trail.  What is the frequency and how does this
> occur?  Why is this happening next to the path and not out in the middle of
> the arroyo?
>
>
>
> Solitons?  Skipping stones?  What?
>
>
>
> We live here; we should know this stuff.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Ok STEM folks, explain?

2018-07-25 Thread Nick Thompson 
Steve, 

 

I Hywel’s absence, I will take up his cudgel:

 

“Steve.  If this is not random, what does random look like? “ 

 

Nick 

 

Nicholas S. Thompson

Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology

Clark University

 <http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/> 
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith
Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 8:16 AM
To: friam@redfish.com
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Ok STEM folks, explain?

 

Looks like the Loch Ness Monster traveled up the Rio Grande, the Santa Fe River 
into Arroyo Chamiso?

I have an arroyo behind my house in San Ildefonso which is also wide and flat 
which had this behaviour a few years ago during a flash flood.  6' tall 
standing waves for a good 30 minutes.   

 

On 7/25/18 4:07 AM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez wrote:

For those who already abandoned facebook I think this is the same video from 
youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG_K1sIVmLI 
and I include a couple impressive videos 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecVouNETYaI  and 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ASTkSYXfA and there are several posts of 
these recent floods in youtube

Look out right there. Is it normal in Santa Fe? Must ask climate change deniers 
what is going on. 

 

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 1:23 AM, Carl Tollander mailto:c...@plektyx.com> > wrote:

Sorry try this 

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156937272769369 
<https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156937272769369&id=645414368> 
&id=645414368

 

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 00:17 Carl Tollander mailto:c...@plektyx.com> > wrote:

https://www.facebook.com/10731093992/posts/1994344690599881/

 

This is local in Santa Fe (Arroyo Chamiso bike trail I think near Chavez 
center).  Non-flash-flood sandy base is normally flat, about 2 pct grade maybe 
4-5 feet below trail.  What is the frequency and how does this occur?  Why is 
this happening next to the path and not out in the middle of the arroyo?

 

Solitons?  Skipping stones?  What?

 

We live here; we should know this stuff.

 

 

 

 

 



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Re: [FRIAM] Ok STEM folks, explain?

2018-07-25 Thread Steven A Smith 
Looks like the Loch Ness Monster traveled up the Rio Grande, the Santa
Fe River into Arroyo Chamiso?

I have an arroyo behind my house in San Ildefonso which is also wide and
flat which had this behaviour a few years ago during a flash flood.  6'
tall standing waves for a good 30 minutes.  


On 7/25/18 4:07 AM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez wrote:
> For those who already abandoned facebook I think this is the same
> video from youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG_K1sIVmLI
> and I include a couple impressive videos
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecVouNETYaI  and
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ASTkSYXfA and there are several
> posts of these recent floods in youtube
>
> Look out right there. Is it normal in Santa Fe? Must ask climate
> change deniers what is going on.
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 1:23 AM, Carl Tollander  > wrote:
>
> Sorry try this
> https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156937272769369&id=645414368
> 
> 
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 00:17 Carl Tollander  > wrote:
>
> https://www.facebook.com/10731093992/posts/1994344690599881/
> 
>
> This is local in Santa Fe (Arroyo Chamiso bike trail I think
> near Chavez center).  Non-flash-flood sandy base is normally
> flat, about 2 pct grade maybe 4-5 feet below trail.  What is
> the frequency and how does this occur?  Why is this happening
> next to the path and not out in the middle of the arroyo?
>
> Solitons?  Skipping stones?  What?
>
> We live here; we should know this stuff.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Ok STEM folks, explain?

2018-07-25 Thread Alfredo Covaleda Vélez 
For those who already abandoned facebook I think this is the same video
from youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HG_K1sIVmLI
and I include a couple impressive videos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecVouNETYaI  and
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8ASTkSYXfA and there are several posts of
these recent floods in youtube

Look out right there. Is it normal in Santa Fe? Must ask climate change
deniers what is going on.

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018 at 1:23 AM, Carl Tollander  wrote:

> Sorry try this
> https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156937272769369&id=645414368
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 00:17 Carl Tollander  wrote:
>
>> https://www.facebook.com/10731093992/posts/1994344690599881/
>>
>> This is local in Santa Fe (Arroyo Chamiso bike trail I think near Chavez
>> center).  Non-flash-flood sandy base is normally flat, about 2 pct grade
>> maybe 4-5 feet below trail.  What is the frequency and how does this
>> occur?  Why is this happening next to the path and not out in the middle of
>> the arroyo?
>>
>> Solitons?  Skipping stones?  What?
>>
>> We live here; we should know this stuff.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Ok STEM folks, explain?

2018-07-24 Thread Carl Tollander 
Sorry try this
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10156937272769369&id=645414368


On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 00:17 Carl Tollander  wrote:

> https://www.facebook.com/10731093992/posts/1994344690599881/
>
> This is local in Santa Fe (Arroyo Chamiso bike trail I think near Chavez
> center).  Non-flash-flood sandy base is normally flat, about 2 pct grade
> maybe 4-5 feet below trail.  What is the frequency and how does this
> occur?  Why is this happening next to the path and not out in the middle of
> the arroyo?
>
> Solitons?  Skipping stones?  What?
>
> We live here; we should know this stuff.
>
>
>
>
>
>

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