Re: [Full-disclosure] FD culture!?
What part of there are no moderators don't you get. This list is run by the British intelligence service and you are a guest here. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 6:00 AM, Bipin Gautam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shame on FD moderators ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Fredrick Diggle Security - New Hire Announcement
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 6:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Message: 2 Date: Fri, 5 Dec 2008 16:34:41 -0600 From: Fredrick Diggle [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Full-disclosure] Fredrick Diggle Security - New Hire Announcement To: full-disclosure full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Fredrick Diggle security is proud to announce that an offer has been made to the established internet security expert and ethical hacker Valdis Kletniek's Mustache. Fredrick Diggle was confused at first when the application was received as Fredrick was under the impression that the mustache was actually a part of Valdis. However, the mustache explained that it was in fact the sentient being and Valdis was simply the host it had been using for mobility. Late last week the mustache (formerly attached to Valdis Kletnieks) accepted Fredrick Diggle's offer and will begin work in it's new position with Fredrick Diggle Security effective immediately. The mustache has given up it's former host in favor of more nubile transport here in Brazilia. Please join Fredrick Diggle in welcoming the mustache to the Fredrick Diggle Security team. http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3149/3062896000_266ea1a26e.jpg In the future please refrain from calling the Mustache Validis Kletniek's Mustache and instead refer to it as simply Mr. Mustache or TMFATVK (The Mustache Formerly Attached to Valdis Kletnieks) for short. WHAT? so I did not get the offer just because I hacked a yahoo account. BS. Thanks a lot Val ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] FD culture!?
Are you fucking retarded? The filtering of this information in any way would be a crime against humanity. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:00 AM, Bipin Gautam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, This mailing list lives up to its name Full Disclosure for tolerating the monkeys and their chattering in this list for quite some time now without moderation or any action! This mailing list had a culture, the audience base and that was the only reason we all subscribed to it! # Standard, culture, content quality, popular interest, intellect... spam!, off topic discussion, unnecessary topic, flame war From the above list ask anyone sensible enough to pick up qualities to be a information security mailing list. What options do you come up with? If someone repeatedly meet to fail the general code of conduct please band them for not being in popular interest for an unmoderated discussion. Is it that hard so hard to grasp that those type of people really dont deserve here? A wise person would never choose to speak in-between fools. It looks like FD is starting to be plagued with similar trend and slowly dropping on the quality of discussion/interest. If FD moderators cant maintain the mailing list culture, its quality its market reputation and audience interest naturally decreases as it has been. FD should be a platform to promote collective intelligence in information security with MEANINGFUL full-disclosure instead of having never ending noise, annoyance, distraction and meaning less discussion to waste our time. FD was there because not all info-sec mailing list provided unmoderated discussion. But moderators please assure a minimum level of content/quality. In the list we all are obligated to keep harmony with all but least not with people with problem to socialize and generally annoyance. Moderators are really not doing justice by going against the popular belief (the subscribers) Please do not forget, the mailing list is there because WE subscribers are there and we were subscribed to this list because this mailing list had a culture! Full-Disclosure live up to its name but please preserve a standard, a culture and a quality of discussion. Phase 2: - Post unnecessarily and very frequently like the current FD trend. - Ask other 30 people to do the same. - Make sure any/all meaningful discussion is dwarfed in unnecessary and meaningless noise. - Wait moderators to act... lobby or repeat phase 2 till FD goes in dust, really! Shame on FD moderators for putting us on a situation to neither we can unsubscribe from the list for the real content that pops here now and then... but have to tolerate unproductive noise lots of time from people with anonymous identities for top-posting on off-track discussion. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -- If you see me laughing, you better have backups ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] FD culture!?
On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:00 AM, Bipin Gautam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, This mailing list lives up to its name Full Disclosure for tolerating the monkeys and their chattering in this list for quite some time now without moderation or any action! This mailing list had a culture, the audience base and that was the only reason we all subscribed to it! God only knows there's damned little disclosure going on, full or otherwise. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] FD culture!?
There are many moderated security lists. Spam annoys us all but here it's allowed. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 7:15 PM, The Security Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:00 AM, Bipin Gautam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, This mailing list lives up to its name Full Disclosure for tolerating the monkeys and their chattering in this list for quite some time now without moderation or any action! This mailing list had a culture, the audience base and that was the only reason we all subscribed to it! God only knows there's damned little disclosure going on, full or otherwise. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -- http://www.goldwatches.com/ http://www.astorandblack.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] FD culture!?
I agree entirely james! -- http://www.phonecheck.net/ On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 12:58 PM, James Matthews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are many moderated security lists. Spam annoys us all but here it's allowed. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 7:15 PM, The Security Community [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 1:00 AM, Bipin Gautam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guys, This mailing list lives up to its name Full Disclosure for tolerating the monkeys and their chattering in this list for quite some time now without moderation or any action! This mailing list had a culture, the audience base and that was the only reason we all subscribed to it! God only knows there's damned little disclosure going on, full or otherwise. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -- http://www.goldwatches.com/ http://www.astorandblack.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] [ GLSA 200812-08 ] Mgetty: Insecure temporary file usage
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Gentoo Linux Security Advisory GLSA 200812-08 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - http://security.gentoo.org/ - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Severity: Normal Title: Mgetty: Insecure temporary file usage Date: December 06, 2008 Bugs: #235806 ID: 200812-08 - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Synopsis Mgetty uses temporary files in an insecure manner, allowing for symlink attacks. Background == Mgetty is a set of fax and voice modem programs. Affected packages = --- Package/ Vulnerable / Unaffected --- 1 net-dialup/mgetty 1.1.36-r2 = 1.1.36-r2 Description === Dmitry E. Oboukhov reported that the spooldir directory in fax/faxspool.in is created in an insecure manner. Impact == A local attacker could exploit this vulnerability to overwrite arbitrary files with the privileges of the user running the application. Workaround == There is no known workaround at this time. Resolution == All Mgetty users should upgrade to the latest version: # emerge --sync # emerge --ask --oneshot --verbose =net-dialup/mgetty-1.1.36-r2 References == [ 1 ] CVE-2008-4936 http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2008-4936 Availability This GLSA and any updates to it are available for viewing at the Gentoo Security Website: http://security.gentoo.org/glsa/glsa-200812-08.xml Concerns? = Security is a primary focus of Gentoo Linux and ensuring the confidentiality and security of our users machines is of utmost importance to us. Any security concerns should be addressed to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or alternatively, you may file a bug at http://bugs.gentoo.org. License === Copyright 2008 Gentoo Foundation, Inc; referenced text belongs to its owner(s). The contents of this document are licensed under the Creative Commons - Attribution / Share Alike license. http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] FD culture!?
'British intelligence service'!? According to this: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html ...Full Disclosure is run by secunia. And administered by one man. Does the 'British Intelligence Service' doesn't even exist? There's: The Security Service AKA MI5. and SIS AKA the Secret Intelligence Service. Also any one who thinks FD is/should be something read the info in the link above. On 12/6/08, n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What part of there are no moderators don't you get. This list is run by the British intelligence service and you are a guest here. On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 6:00 AM, Bipin Gautam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shame on FD moderators ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -- I'm your best best friend. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] FD culture!?
I feel bad that, in almost 5 years, because of british intelligence services monitoring your every move and action, youve still not been able to release anything worth reading. Please continue n3td3v, I know it's right around the corner. You're going to change the security world. google: xploitable site:chat-help.co.uk - - http://www.bigblueball.com/forums/showthread.php?p=159874#post159874 02-17-2005, 12:11 PM n3td3v n3td3v is offline Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 220 n3td3v can only hope to improve Default Serious post Don't delete my posts again, without asking or giving warning. A quick e-mail to say your not happy with a post and ask me to modify or delete it myself is too much to ask?? Trust me, if you want to be rude, i'll be rude back to you, and if you keep doing it, i'll make sure this website gets hacked. I've had enough of it, its happened more than once, I don't like being treated the way you treat people. You'll probably want to delete this thread too, cause you love controlling people so much. Last edited by DJHyperbyte : 02-17-2005 at 02:09 PM. Reason: Removed insults. - - http://lists.virus.org/full-disclosure-0411/msg00907.html FW: [Full-Disclosure] Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment n3td3v n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:53:44 + * Previous message: FW: [Full-Disclosure] Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment * Next message: FW: [Full-Disclosure] Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:41:20 -0600, Todd Towles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it is given that posting to FD does give a site exposure (good and bad). But I wouldn't say that FD was the cause of it..it was the illegal activity that was the cause of it. We all know SCC does some underground stuff and they post here each time they move. So...I wouldn't blame the FD list for anything. I wouldn't use the word blame? I think its a good thing if Full-Disclosure is helping to catch online criminals. I don't know if you like malicious hackers and other criminals, but yeah I dislike them. I would do anything in my power to stop online crime, from scriptkiddie stuff, to sex stuff,spam,scams, fraud, terrorism and back again. I have no space for anyone thinking they are elite and all the other hacker scene crap. Its time to clamp down on the BS thats on the net. If I was in gov, I would shut a site down that looks remotely hax0rish, even if they've done nothing wrong. All these crews and hacker groups, fk them all. The net needs zero tollerence with online crime. Govs should have the authority to close anything done because they feel like it, without needing to prove shit. I would even close IRC channels. Hackphreak on undernet looks harmless, but fk that. Close it anyway, its time to get a tighter grip on things. Thanks,n3td3v - - http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/dailydave/2004-q4/0221.html You know you're a moron if you have Dave Aitel laughing at you. - - forums.chat-help.co.uk n3td3v Member Member Group: Banned Joined: 28-August 04 Active Stats Total Cumulative Posts 4 Re-occuring theme... - - carbonize forums, banned again.. n3td3v post Oct 11 2004, 03:08 PM Post #3 QUOTE(carbonize @ Oct 10 2004, 03:29 AM) QUOTE(n3td3v @ Oct 9 2004, 08:18 PM) Suggestion: stop acting like a wanker on sites like chat-help and grow the fuk up. * Looked in a mirror lately? * Lamer you are a boring bastard with no skills. All you can post on homepage is about lame gmail accounts five years after the novelty of invites wore off. You cannot hack to save yourself homo. Running out of things to psot on homepage homo? Heh, i think so. This website will die a sorry death because you have nothing worth saying. - - * this is him, before being banned and using the name n3td3v http://ourchat.org/forums/index.php?showuser=930 Viewing Profile: xploitable xploitable Everyone Needs A Cyber Security Pet In Life :) Group Icon Member Group: Banned Joined: 3-February 04 - - nobody special post Feb 3 2004, 04:20 PM Post
[Full-disclosure] Fwd: FD culture!?
Pwoouwawa ... n3td3v you do really suck. you need to create fake users as ghost, mike.c, andrew wallace, to prove some point ? you're useless dude, no one like you, get the fuck out of here. 2008/12/6 ghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] I feel bad that, in almost 5 years, because of british intelligence services monitoring your every move and action, youve still not been able to release anything worth reading. Please continue n3td3v, I know it's right around the corner. You're going to change the security world. google: xploitable site:chat-help.co.uk - - http://www.bigblueball.com/forums/showthread.php?p=159874#post159874 02-17-2005, 12:11 PM n3td3v n3td3v is offline Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 220 n3td3v can only hope to improve Default Serious post Don't delete my posts again, without asking or giving warning. A quick e-mail to say your not happy with a post and ask me to modify or delete it myself is too much to ask?? Trust me, if you want to be rude, i'll be rude back to you, and if you keep doing it, i'll make sure this website gets hacked. I've had enough of it, its happened more than once, I don't like being treated the way you treat people. You'll probably want to delete this thread too, cause you love controlling people so much. Last edited by DJHyperbyte : 02-17-2005 at 02:09 PM. Reason: Removed insults. - - http://lists.virus.org/full-disclosure-0411/msg00907.html FW: [Full-Disclosure] Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment n3td3v n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:53:44 + * Previous message: FW: [Full-Disclosure] Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment * Next message: FW: [Full-Disclosure] Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:41:20 -0600, Todd Towles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it is given that posting to FD does give a site exposure (good and bad). But I wouldn't say that FD was the cause of it..it was the illegal activity that was the cause of it. We all know SCC does some underground stuff and they post here each time they move. So...I wouldn't blame the FD list for anything. I wouldn't use the word blame? I think its a good thing if Full-Disclosure is helping to catch online criminals. I don't know if you like malicious hackers and other criminals, but yeah I dislike them. I would do anything in my power to stop online crime, from scriptkiddie stuff, to sex stuff,spam,scams, fraud, terrorism and back again. I have no space for anyone thinking they are elite and all the other hacker scene crap. Its time to clamp down on the BS thats on the net. If I was in gov, I would shut a site down that looks remotely hax0rish, even if they've done nothing wrong. All these crews and hacker groups, fk them all. The net needs zero tollerence with online crime. Govs should have the authority to close anything done because they feel like it, without needing to prove shit. I would even close IRC channels. Hackphreak on undernet looks harmless, but fk that. Close it anyway, its time to get a tighter grip on things. Thanks,n3td3v - - http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/dailydave/2004-q4/0221.html You know you're a moron if you have Dave Aitel laughing at you. - - forums.chat-help.co.uk n3td3v Member Member Group: Banned Joined: 28-August 04 Active Stats Total Cumulative Posts 4 Re-occuring theme... - - carbonize forums, banned again.. n3td3v post Oct 11 2004, 03:08 PM Post #3 QUOTE(carbonize @ Oct 10 2004, 03:29 AM) QUOTE(n3td3v @ Oct 9 2004, 08:18 PM) Suggestion: stop acting like a wanker on sites like chat-help and grow the fuk up. * Looked in a mirror lately? * Lamer you are a boring bastard with no skills. All you can post on homepage is about lame gmail accounts five years after the novelty of invites wore off. You cannot hack to save yourself homo. Running out of things to psot on homepage homo? Heh, i think so. This website will die a sorry death because you have nothing worth saying. - - * this is him, before being banned and using the name n3td3v http://ourchat.org/forums/index.php?showuser=930
Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: FD culture!?
sorry man...my mistake. I dont read fowarded message as they usually are past conversation all ready readed. 2008/12/6 ghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are you blind, dumb, or just mentally handicapped? On Sat, Dec 6, 2008 at 3:02 PM, j-f sentier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pwoouwawa ... n3td3v you do really suck. you need to create fake users as ghost, mike.c, andrew wallace, to prove some point ? you're useless dude, no one like you, get the fuck out of here. 2008/12/6 ghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] I feel bad that, in almost 5 years, because of british intelligence services monitoring your every move and action, youve still not been able to release anything worth reading. Please continue n3td3v, I know it's right around the corner. You're going to change the security world. google: xploitable site:chat-help.co.uk - - http://www.bigblueball.com/forums/showthread.php?p=159874#post159874 02-17-2005, 12:11 PM n3td3v n3td3v is offline Banned Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 220 n3td3v can only hope to improve Default Serious post Don't delete my posts again, without asking or giving warning. A quick e-mail to say your not happy with a post and ask me to modify or delete it myself is too much to ask?? Trust me, if you want to be rude, i'll be rude back to you, and if you keep doing it, i'll make sure this website gets hacked. I've had enough of it, its happened more than once, I don't like being treated the way you treat people. You'll probably want to delete this thread too, cause you love controlling people so much. Last edited by DJHyperbyte : 02-17-2005 at 02:09 PM. Reason: Removed insults. - - http://lists.virus.org/full-disclosure-0411/msg00907.html FW: [Full-Disclosure] Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment n3td3v n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed, 17 Nov 2004 17:53:44 + * Previous message: FW: [Full-Disclosure] Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment * Next message: FW: [Full-Disclosure] Shadowcrew Grand Jury Indictment * Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] On Wed, 17 Nov 2004 11:41:20 -0600, Todd Towles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it is given that posting to FD does give a site exposure (good and bad). But I wouldn't say that FD was the cause of it..it was the illegal activity that was the cause of it. We all know SCC does some underground stuff and they post here each time they move. So...I wouldn't blame the FD list for anything. I wouldn't use the word blame? I think its a good thing if Full-Disclosure is helping to catch online criminals. I don't know if you like malicious hackers and other criminals, but yeah I dislike them. I would do anything in my power to stop online crime, from scriptkiddie stuff, to sex stuff,spam,scams, fraud, terrorism and back again. I have no space for anyone thinking they are elite and all the other hacker scene crap. Its time to clamp down on the BS thats on the net. If I was in gov, I would shut a site down that looks remotely hax0rish, even if they've done nothing wrong. All these crews and hacker groups, fk them all. The net needs zero tollerence with online crime. Govs should have the authority to close anything done because they feel like it, without needing to prove shit. I would even close IRC channels. Hackphreak on undernet looks harmless, but fk that. Close it anyway, its time to get a tighter grip on things. Thanks,n3td3v - - http://archives.neohapsis.com/archives/dailydave/2004-q4/0221.html You know you're a moron if you have Dave Aitel laughing at you. - - forums.chat-help.co.uk n3td3v Member Member Group: Banned Joined: 28-August 04 Active Stats Total Cumulative Posts 4 Re-occuring theme... - - carbonize forums, banned again.. n3td3v post Oct 11 2004, 03:08 PM Post #3 QUOTE(carbonize @ Oct 10 2004, 03:29 AM) QUOTE(n3td3v @ Oct 9 2004, 08:18 PM) Suggestion: stop acting like a wanker on sites like chat-help and grow the fuk up. * Looked in a mirror lately? * Lamer you are a boring bastard with no skills. All you can post on homepage is about lame gmail accounts five years after the novelty of invites wore off.
Re: [Full-disclosure] [inbox] Re: Security predictions for 2009
I wish I was. But I DO have quite a few of them left, that is after that hot babe threw two of them on her boobs and wore them as a bikini top for a while They weren't even for sale, they were GIVING THEM AWAY... a whole roll of them, must have been over a thousand. tons of people grabbing a bunch off the roll ROFL Exibar -Original Message- From: n3td3v [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 7:01 AM To: Exibar Subject: [inbox] Re: [Full-disclosure] Security predictions for 2009 Ah, so you were the guy behind the stickers? On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Exibar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, he should loose the name, and the attitude that he's the last word and GOD in Informaiton Security agreed, if he goes away for 6 - 12 months, and comes back without the attitude and name there will no longer be N3TD3V SUX stickers at 'con. Exibar - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Exibar [EMAIL PROTECTED]; full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Security predictions for 2009 On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:23:32 GMT, n3td3v said: I'm not a troll I wanted your security predictions, its people like you botching the list up not me. The basic problem is that you've *been* either a blithering idiot or a troll for so long, that even if something sensible *does* get posted from n3td3v, people will tend to label it as oh, his trolling has just gotten a bit better. Your best bet is to just toss that e-mail address, go pursue an outdoor hobby for 4 to 6 months, and use a different persona when you return. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: FD culture!?
On 12/7/08, j-f sentier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pwoouwawa ... n3td3v you do really suck. you need to create fake users as ghost, mike.c, andrew wallace, to prove some point ? you're useless dude, no one like you, get the fuck out of here. People with multiple personalities! Split personality problem? Or is all this all an intentional activity and looks like (in practice) the owners of FD are ok with where FD is heading to! How can someone act ignorant for so long? Yelling, this is the drawback of a unmoderated mailing list isnt the answer nor the solution. We joined FD because we thought umoderated doesnt mean untamed and definitely... having to tolerate so much of noise and nonsense for so long. We all know all these has a easy fix. Its really time for the owners of the list to send a clear message. Whats going on? How do you see all this? Whats your prospective? Where is FD heading? We all really want to have a CLEAR answer in words/action. I am really willing to hear about all this from the prospective of Mr. John Cartwright or the answer to just 1 question. So Mr John, how does all of this fit into the scope of FD-character, http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html thanks, -bipin ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: FD culture!?
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 5:01 AM, Bipin Gautam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/7/08, j-f sentier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pwoouwawa ... n3td3v you do really suck. you need to create fake users as ghost, mike.c, andrew wallace, to prove some point ? you're useless dude, no one like you, get the fuck out of here. People with multiple personalities! Split personality problem? Or is all this all an intentional activity and looks like (in practice) the owners of FD are ok with where FD is heading to! How can someone act ignorant for so long? Yelling, this is the drawback of a unmoderated mailing list isnt the answer nor the solution. We joined FD because we thought umoderated doesnt mean untamed and definitely... having to tolerate so much of noise and nonsense for so long. We all know all these has a easy fix. Its really time for the owners of the list to send a clear message. Whats going on? How do you see all this? Whats your prospective? Where is FD heading? We all really want to have a CLEAR answer in words/action. I am really willing to hear about all this from the prospective of Mr. John Cartwright or the answer to just 1 question. So Mr John, how does all of this fit into the scope of FD-character, http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html thanks, -bipin What's John Cartwright got to do with an unmoderated mailing list? You joined F-D because you thought it would be partially moderated when someone *you~* don't agree with annoys you? lolcopter. You know where the unsubscribe button is if you don't like this style of mailing list management, please use it instead of moaning. On a side note, I already asked for Ureleet to be banned, but Cartwright's not interested in partially moderating an unmoderated mailing list. Would you rather the list was partially moderated? You would never be sure if something you liked was getting through or not, thats what makes people paranoid about Bugtraq, you don't know what's getting held back and who might actually find the stuff that doesn't get through interesting. Also, with Bugtraq there is a paranoia that stuff isn't posted to it as fast as it should because of a business decision at Symantec instead of fully informing people what's been submitted. I mean Bugtraq should have another mailing list for the stuff that didn't get accepted on Bugtraq, maybe call it Trashtraq, then people could still read the rejected stuff that was submitted to Bugtraq incase someone found it useful. Other people think Bugtraq isn't the solution and that Full-Disclosure is the solution, but the choice is upto you, you choose Full-Disclosure or you choose Bugtraq, the options are available to you, and perhaps, just perhaps Full-Disclosure isn't for you and you should unsubscribe. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] [inbox] Re: Security predictions for 2009
lolcopter dude, thats awesome, maybe people will do it again next year. On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 4:33 AM, Exibar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish I was. But I DO have quite a few of them left, that is after that hot babe threw two of them on her boobs and wore them as a bikini top for a while They weren't even for sale, they were GIVING THEM AWAY... a whole roll of them, must have been over a thousand. tons of people grabbing a bunch off the roll ROFL Exibar -Original Message- From: n3td3v [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 7:01 AM To: Exibar Subject: [inbox] Re: [Full-disclosure] Security predictions for 2009 Ah, so you were the guy behind the stickers? On Fri, Dec 5, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Exibar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: yes, he should loose the name, and the attitude that he's the last word and GOD in Informaiton Security agreed, if he goes away for 6 - 12 months, and comes back without the attitude and name there will no longer be N3TD3V SUX stickers at 'con. Exibar - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Exibar [EMAIL PROTECTED]; full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 1:31 PM Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Security predictions for 2009 On Fri, 05 Dec 2008 18:23:32 GMT, n3td3v said: I'm not a troll I wanted your security predictions, its people like you botching the list up not me. The basic problem is that you've *been* either a blithering idiot or a troll for so long, that even if something sensible *does* get posted from n3td3v, people will tend to label it as oh, his trolling has just gotten a bit better. Your best bet is to just toss that e-mail address, go pursue an outdoor hobby for 4 to 6 months, and use a different persona when you return. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: FD culture!?
On 12/7/08, n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's John Cartwright got to do with an unmoderated mailing list? You joined F-D because you thought it would be partially moderated when someone *you~* don't agree with annoys you? lolcopter. You know where the unsubscribe button is if you don't like this style of mailing list management, please use it instead of moaning. On a side note, I already asked for Ureleet to be banned, but Cartwright's not interested in partially moderating an unmoderated mailing list. Would you rather the list was partially moderated? No... but least, less noise! We have two eyes, two ears but one mouth for a reason. Listen more, look more but talk less. I am complaining because whats happening in FD contradicts to; -- Acceptable Content Any information pertaining to vulnerabilities is acceptable, for instance announcement and discussion thereof, exploit techniques and code, related tools and papers, and other useful information. Gratuitous advertisement, product placement, or self-promotion is forbidden. Disagreements, flames, arguments, and off-topic discussion should be taken off-list wherever possible. Humour is acceptable in moderation, providing it is inoffensive. Politics should be avoided at all costs. Members are reminded that due to the open nature of the list, they should use discretion in executing any tools or code distributed via this list. -- Lastly, i request you all to only post things that we-all may find interesting to read. Personal replies are better taken off-list. Please keep noise low. Please help us to like you more! ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Fwd: FD culture!?
On Sun, Dec 7, 2008 at 6:25 AM, Bipin Gautam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/7/08, n3td3v [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What's John Cartwright got to do with an unmoderated mailing list? You joined F-D because you thought it would be partially moderated when someone *you~* don't agree with annoys you? lolcopter. You know where the unsubscribe button is if you don't like this style of mailing list management, please use it instead of moaning. On a side note, I already asked for Ureleet to be banned, but Cartwright's not interested in partially moderating an unmoderated mailing list. Would you rather the list was partially moderated? No... but least, less noise! We have two eyes, two ears but one mouth for a reason. Listen more, look more but talk less. I am complaining because whats happening in FD contradicts to; -- Acceptable Content Any information pertaining to vulnerabilities is acceptable, for instance announcement and discussion thereof, exploit techniques and code, related tools and papers, and other useful information. Gratuitous advertisement, product placement, or self-promotion is forbidden. Disagreements, flames, arguments, and off-topic discussion should be taken off-list wherever possible. Humour is acceptable in moderation, providing it is inoffensive. Politics should be avoided at all costs. Members are reminded that due to the open nature of the list, they should use discretion in executing any tools or code distributed via this list. -- Lastly, i request you all to only post things that we-all may find interesting to read. Personal replies are better taken off-list. Please keep noise low. Please help us to like you more! The charter is just a guideline, its got no law or authority. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
