Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama
Marcus Sachs had a suggestion to _artificially_ ramp up cyber security as a national security agenda. Everybody thought that was a bad idea, or at least I didn't hear anybody on full-disclosure say it was a good idea. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FSUPTZVlkyU Andrew On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:03 PM, andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote: Now that President Obama has been sworn in, This is your chance to speak to the new administration in Washington, what you say here *will* make a difference. Let the community know your thoughts. Andrew On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:37 AM, andrew. wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote: What do you want him to do for cyber security after he is sworn in on Tuesday? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Seagate 7200.11 Drives attempted scam
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Miller Grey vigilantgregor...@gmail.com wrote: ...silence on the wire... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silence_on_the_Wire Good book I recommend it! ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama
2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com: Now that President Obama has been sworn in, This is your chance to speak to the new administration in Washington, what you say here *will* make a difference. Let the community know your thoughts. Andrew FDs pupose isn't DISCUSS YOUR OPINIONS. I urge you to follow your own sentence: 2009/1/19 andrew. wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com: I'm calling for the closure of political threads on full-disclosure so we can get back to business. Be quiet now and forever! ;) ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Jan G.B. ro0ot.w...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com: Now that President Obama has been sworn in, This is your chance to speak to the new administration in Washington, what you say here *will* make a difference. Let the community know your thoughts. Andrew FDs pupose isn't DISCUSS YOUR OPINIONS. I urge you to follow your own sentence: 2009/1/19 andrew. wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com: I'm calling for the closure of political threads on full-disclosure so we can get back to business. Be quiet now and forever! ;) Cyber security politics are allowed. Andrew ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama
You are the only one with this opinion. So shut up now and leave. Peter On 22.01.2009, at 19:50, andrew.wallace wrote: On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Jan G.B. ro0ot.w...@googlemail.com wrote: 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com: Now that President Obama has been sworn in, This is your chance to speak to the new administration in Washington, what you say here *will* make a difference. Let the community know your thoughts. Andrew FDs pupose isn't DISCUSS YOUR OPINIONS. I urge you to follow your own sentence: 2009/1/19 andrew. wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com: I'm calling for the closure of political threads on full- disclosure so we can get back to business. Be quiet now and forever! ;) Cyber security politics are allowed. Andrew ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
...my head hurts... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:42 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: while playing at war with them neighbors. Yes, 'playing' in a war that the Arabs started. And winning that war. If i was forced to have a redneck neighbor zionist integrist like you, i would too. What? Be a loser? I would start a war too. understand now ? You could have just answered yes to my question. , which is totally understandable It was not up to them. Well they are the first concerned. Concerned about what? Arabians are the first concerned about having a new hostil neighbor Israel was never hostile to the Arab countries - on the contrary, the Arab countries were hostile to Israel, started a war and shamefully lost, against all odds. israel also made a nuclear bomb illegaly Prove that. It's allready proven. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons#Undeclared_nuclear_states http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel/index.html No - http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=define%3Aproof You really need to start discerning facts from opinion They have the bomb and everyone know that. There's a clear distinction between beleifs and knowledge. Everyone beleives Israel have nukes. Nobody (other than those who need to), knows for certain. So yes it's a FACT Recheck the definition in the dictionary. Not an opinion, there's proof Show it. , and israel didn't said yes, and didn't said no, which confirm that they have it. Why would Israel say no, when it scares the crap out of you and your buddies? Or maybe it's once again a conspiracy against israel :(. The bigger problems with zionist, is they control most of the medias around the world, most of the banks, them community are pretty strong around. Making/doing propaganda is an easy game for them, you cant touch jews, because as avraham do, everytime you hit them, Sure... It's all just 1 huge big conspiracy against you. Nop, no conspiracy, just a FACT. Read above. Still a FACT . Read above. they play the holocaust card. I didn't bring up the holocaust - you did by comparing Israel to the Nazis. First i never compared israel to the nazis (or prove it), secondly you did bring up holocaust: - http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jan/0736.html It is apparent that you, handrix and all the other gmail pseudo-names you use are the same individual - so it does not matter under which handle you have chosen to make this claim. But if you would not like to be held responsible for that statement under this handle, I'm fine with it - consider it as proof against the claims you made under the other handle you were using. Omagad, that's a good one, do you really believe that only one person here hate you or the zionist ? Anyways just look at the writing style, spelling, grammar, and opinion you would notice if you're mentaly stable that it's different persons. I took your advice, looked at the writing style, spelling, grammer and opinion - and I came to the conclusion that you are a sick and retarded individual. As you got to understand that a lots of people do not like the US, for what they've done in central ameriqua for exemple Use a spell checker or something... Go fuck yourself, is that well spelled ? Yes, but completely irrelevant. Nop it's pertinant. Read above. , dont you remember, talibans was good terrorists when they was fighting agains communists, now that they fight against US, they are bad terrorists. You agree that they are terrorists then? I agree on the fact that you're pathetic. How did you arrive at that conclusion? just reading your posts Great. Had enough? stifles yourself with your propaganda. Your English sucks for someone trying to do propaganda on a ComSec mailing list. It's well written, open up your english to hebrew translator, and once again go fuck yourself. I can read and write in English just fine without the help of a translator - you on the other hand need to work on your grammar and spelling, as well as wash you mouth and fingers with plenty of soap. Well if you cant understand the phrase : stifles yourself with your propaganda. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/stifle v. sti·fled, sti·fling, sti·fles v.tr. 1. To interrupt or cut off (the voice, for example). 2. To keep in or hold back; repress: stifled my indignation. 3. To kill by preventing respiration; smother or suffocate.-- this is the one (suffocate) :) See you should open up your translator sometimes You are a retard - go check your grammar. btw what's that fixation thing with soap ? No fixation, just after all the BS you have been typing you fingers are probably
Re: [Full-disclosure] Cyber War or just Cyber Protest?
...my head hurts again... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 9:32 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 5:26 PM, Handrix hand...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:45 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 4:39 PM, Mainbox Notif rokade...@gmail.comwrote: Looks to me as a list of charities. Do you know a website where I can join them all? Yes - http://www.hell.com/ Yes, with its big eight doors, it's for people like you. I'm not that fat. Besides, I am not planning on joining them... :) 2009/1/19 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com Abu Nidal Organization Abu Sayyaf Group Achik National Volunteer Council Akhil Bharat Nepali Ekta Samaj Al-Aqsa e.V. Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade Al-Badr Al Ghurabaa Al Ittihad Al Islamia al-Qa'ida al-Qa'ida in Iraq al-Qaeda Organization in the Islamic Maghreb Al-Umar-Mujahideen All Tripura Tiger Force Ansar al-Islam Ansar us-Sunna Armed Islamic Group Asbat al-Ansar Aum Shinrikyo Babbar Khalsa Babbar Khalsa International Baluchistan Liberation Army Communist Party of India (Maoist) Communist Party of the Philippines/ New People's Army Continuity Irish Republican Army Cumann na mBan Deendar Anjuman Dukhtaran-E-Millat Egyptian Islamic Jihad Euskadi ta Askatasuna Fatah al-Islam Fianna na hEireann Gama'a al-Islamiyya GRAPO Great Eastern Islamic Raiders' Front Hamas Harakat-ul-Jihad-ul-Islami Harakat-ul-Jihad-ul-Islami (Bangladesh) Harakat ul-Mujahidin Harakat-Ul-Mujahideen/Alami Hezb-e Islami Gulbuddin Hezbollah Hizbul Mujahideen Holy Land Foundation for Relief and Development Hynniewtrep National Liberation Council Informal Anarchist Federation[5] International Sikh Youth Federation Islamic Army of Aden Islamic Jihad Union Islamic Movement of Uzbekistan Irish National Liberation Army Irish People's Liberation Organisation Irish Republican Army Jaish-e-Mohammed Jamaat ul-Furquan Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen Bangladesh Jamiat ul-Ansar Jammu and Kashmir Islamic Front Jemaah Islamiya Kach/Kahane Chai Kanglei Yaol Kanba Lup Kangleipak Communist Party Khalistan Commando Force Khuddam ul-Islam Kurdistan Freedom Falcons Kurdistan Workers' Party Lashkar-e-Toiba Lashkar-e-Jhangvi Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam Libyan Islamic Fighting Group Loyalist Volunteer Force Manipur People's Liberation Front Moroccan Islamic Combatant Group Mujahedin-e Khalq National Democratic Front of Bodoland National Liberation Army National Liberation Front of Tripura Nuclei Armati per il Comunismo Nuclei di Iniziativa Proletaria Nuclei Territoriali Antimperialisti Nucleo di Iniziativa Proletaria Rivoluzionaria Orange Volunteers Palestine Liberation Front Palestinian Islamic Jihad People's Liberation Army People's Revolutionary Party of Kangleipak Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine- General Command Real IRA Red Brigades for the construction of the Combative Communist Party Red Hand Commando Red Hand Defenders Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia Revolutionary Nuclei Revolutionary Organization 17 November Revolutionary People's Front Revolutionary People's Liberation Party/Front Revolutionary Struggle Saor Éire Saviour Sect Shining Path[6] Sipah-e-Sahaba Pakistan Stichting Al Aqsa Students Islamic Movement of India Takfir wal-Hijra Tehreek-e-Nafaz-e-Shariat-e-Mohammadi Tamil Nadu Liberation Army Tamil National Retrieval Troops Ulster Defence Association Ulster Freedom Fighters Ulster Volunteer Force United Liberation Front of Asom United National Liberation Front United Self-Defense Forces of Colombia Vanguards of Conquest World Tamil Movement Without checking, I bet the vast majority of these are Muslim. I would be glad to be proven wrong. That's all. C. 2009/1/19 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 2:15 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists seem to be Muslim This is pure propaganda . You are right. 2009/1/19 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com Wow internet threats - really scary... What's your name kid? On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:06 PM, Prototype This termin...@gmail.com wrote: Nazis knew the real value of zionist , no wonder they wanted to burn them all. Everytime Zionist think they become stronger , they do something to deserve to get killed , then later complain that others hate them. They destroyed the Soviet union and now they want to destroy the Arab world. Next is Europe USA. They want us to live the miserable live they used to live. Because god have punished them to never give them a permanant land ever. Israel is just temporary. We will see soon Schneider in a refugee camp speaking to media and
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama
I'm the only one who thinks cyber security politics are allowed on full-disclosure? Andrew On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Peter Bruderer peter.brude...@brg.ch wrote: You are the only one with this opinion. So shut up now and leave. Peter On 22.01.2009, at 19:50, andrew.wallace wrote: Cyber security politics are allowed. Andrew ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was setup. What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are created? Andrew On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Castigliola, Angelo acastigli...@unum.com wrote: I was under the impression this was a list to discuss _the_technical_facts_ regarding current released and unreleased _security_exploits_for_computer_software_. I didn't sign up for _shameless_self_promotion_. Once again I'm asking for users to post this on your blag, to your own mailing list, or at the very least show the mailing list and charter respect and take your flames offline. _Stop_polluting_full-disclosure_with_vague_speculation_and_opinions_. Angelo Castigliola III -Original Message- From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of andrew.wallace Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:03 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama Now that President Obama has been sworn in, This is your chance to speak to the new administration in Washington, what you say here *will* make a difference. Let the community know your thoughts. Andrew On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:37 AM, andrew. wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote: What do you want him to do for cyber security after he is sworn in on Tuesday? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
Hi, I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was setup. because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are created? go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! alan ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama
Yep. Die 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com I'm the only one who thinks cyber security politics are allowed on full-disclosure? Andrew On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Peter Bruderer peter.brude...@brg.ch wrote: You are the only one with this opinion. So shut up now and leave. Peter On 22.01.2009, at 19:50, andrew.wallace wrote: Cyber security politics are allowed. Andrew ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago Did he laugh ? What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are created? Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was setup. What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are created? Andrew On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 5:46 PM, Castigliola, Angelo acastigli...@unum.com wrote: I was under the impression this was a list to discuss _the_technical_facts_ regarding current released and unreleased _security_exploits_for_computer_software_. I didn't sign up for _shameless_self_promotion_. Once again I'm asking for users to post this on your blag, to your own mailing list, or at the very least show the mailing list and charter respect and take your flames offline. _Stop_polluting_full-disclosure_with_vague_speculation_and_opinions_. Angelo Castigliola III -Original Message- From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of andrew.wallace Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 12:03 PM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama Now that President Obama has been sworn in, This is your chance to speak to the new administration in Washington, what you say here *will* make a difference. Let the community know your thoughts. Andrew On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 1:37 AM, andrew. wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote: What do you want him to do for cyber security after he is sworn in on Tuesday? ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. It was never closed, join. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
Haha you still dreaming. Anyways, stay there and die. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. It was never closed, join. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
No, i'm here and there and everywhere. n3td3v is global. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:14 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Haha you still dreaming. Anyways, stay there and die. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. It was never closed, join. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
yup globally a piece of shit, unwanted here. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com No, i'm here and there and everywhere. n3td3v is global. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:14 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Haha you still dreaming. Anyways, stay there and die. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. It was never closed, join. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] MS seems to live in the past
Just cute, probably no security implications... I am in the habit of regularly checking for new stuff on the Microsoft Security Advisories website http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/default.mspx Up until a few days ago, it said Updated December 30, 2008 or somesuch; cannot remember what the last advisory was, probably something about SSL certificates. Checking this morning, it says Updated: October 23, 2008 and the last advisory shown there or on http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/archive.mspx is dated 14 Oct. For example, the advisory Microsoft Security Advisory (960906) Vulnerability in WordPad Text Converter Could Allow Remote Code Execution http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/960906.mspx is missing. Did MS revert into the past? (Did their server crash, was replaced with a not-so-hot-spare, or recovered from old backups?) Cheers, Paul Szabo p...@maths.usyd.edu.au http://www.maths.usyd.edu.au/u/psz/ School of Mathematics and Statistics University of SydneyAustralia ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
Your abusive language is unwanted here you mean. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:30 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: yup globally a piece of shit, unwanted here. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com No, i'm here and there and everywhere. n3td3v is global. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:14 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Haha you still dreaming. Anyways, stay there and die. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. It was never closed, join. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
It's sad to get to this point, but it seems that an trisomic like you need this kind of speach to catch the puck. Look at your mailbox archives, no ones wants you here, it's not a myth. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com Your abusive language is unwanted here you mean. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:30 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: yup globally a piece of shit, unwanted here. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com No, i'm here and there and everywhere. n3td3v is global. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:14 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Haha you still dreaming. Anyways, stay there and die. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. It was never closed, join. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
Nobody cares that you don't like me though, so no point in sharing it with the world. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:44 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: It's sad to get to this point, but it seems that an trisomic like you need this kind of speach to catch the puck. Look at your mailbox archives, no ones wants you here, it's not a myth. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com Your abusive language is unwanted here you mean. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:30 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: yup globally a piece of shit, unwanted here. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com No, i'm here and there and everywhere. n3td3v is global. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:14 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Haha you still dreaming. Anyways, stay there and die. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. It was never closed, join. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
sentiar? or sentier? watch it, you might be considered a troll...! On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:44 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: It's sad to get to this point, but it seems that an trisomic like you need this kind of speach to catch the puck. Look at your mailbox archives, no ones wants you here, it's not a myth. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com Your abusive language is unwanted here you mean. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:30 P M, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: yup globally a piece of shit, unwanted here. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com No, i'm here and there and everywhere. n3td3v is global. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:14 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Haha you still dreaming. Anyways, stay there and die. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. It was never closed, join. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, a.l.m.bu...@lboro.ac.uk wrote: Hi, I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was setup. because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are created? go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here). and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want (security related or not). Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam. Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a) ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend themselves (or oppose their propaganda). As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist the rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and you are back with a readable FD. Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being readable, are not computer security related either (at least without wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security'). So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it is), andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is). Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy here. ala ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
@sr: Sentier wasn't free for registration so i took sentiar, but my name is sentier, any other question about that ? @n3tcr4p: it's not a single opinion, just read your mail archives. 2009/1/22 sr. static...@gmail.com sentiar? or sentier? watch it, you might be considered a troll...! On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 4:44 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: It's sad to get to this point, but it seems that an trisomic like you need this kind of speach to catch the puck. Look at your mailbox archives, no ones wants you here, it's not a myth. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com Your abusive language is unwanted here you mean. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:30 P M, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: yup globally a piece of shit, unwanted here. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com No, i'm here and there and everywhere. n3td3v is global. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:14 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Haha you still dreaming. Anyways, stay there and die. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. It was never closed, join. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
I joined this list a few months back in the hopes I might obtain some useful information but I have to say, after the past month or so I can see it's useless. From: full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of j-f sentier Sent: Thursday, January 22, 2009 3:45 PM To: andrew.wallace; full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate It's sad to get to this point, but it seems that an trisomic like you need this kind of speach to catch the puck. Look at your mailbox archives, no ones wants you here, it's not a myth. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com Your abusive language is unwanted here you mean. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:30 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: yup globally a piece of shit, unwanted here. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com No, i'm here and there and everywhere. n3td3v is global. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:14 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Haha you still dreaming. Anyways, stay there and die. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:37 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Re-open your dummy mailing-list and leave this one. It was never closed, join. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
which propaganda ? you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. But i understand why now : http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and participating in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. Everything is clearer than ever. 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, a.l.m.bu...@lboro.ac.uk wrote: Hi, I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was setup. because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are created? go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here). and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want (security related or not). Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam. Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a) ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend themselves (or oppose their propaganda). As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist the rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and you are back with a readable FD. Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being readable, are not computer security related either (at least without wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security'). So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it is), andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is). Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy here. ala ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:09 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: @n3tcr4p: it's not a single opinion, just read your mail archives. Yeah you said that already now stop sharing your hate speech with the world. Terrorist. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
No hate dude, just bored as many to see you keep on spamming here. No one likes you (not a myth), your topics sucks, your news relay style is useless, and the most boring is your unknowledged vision of security. Just shut the fuck up, learn, think, and maybe post if it's usefull. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:09 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: @n3tcr4p: it's not a single opinion, just read your mail archives. Yeah you said that already now stop sharing your hate speech with the world. Terrorist. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
Hate speech is a term for speech intended to degrade, intimidate, or incite violence or prejudicial action[citation needed] against a person or group of people based on their race, gender, age, ethnicity, nationality, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, language ability, ideology, social class, occupation, appearance (height, weight, hair color, etc.), mental capacity, and any other distinction that might be considered by some as a liability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:29 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: No hate dude, just bored as many to see you keep on spamming here. No one likes you (not a myth), your topics sucks, your news relay style is useless, and the most boring is your unknowledged vision of security. Just shut the fuck up, learn, think, and maybe post if it's usefull. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:09 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: @n3tcr4p: it's not a single opinion, just read your mail archives. Yeah you said that already now stop sharing your hate speech with the world. Terrorist. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
So to make this clearer, you're admiting to have some mental capacity problems ? 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com Hate speech is a term for speech intended to degrade, intimidate, or incite violence or prejudicial action[citation needed] against a person or group of people based on their race, gender, age, ethnicity, nationality, religion, sexual orientation, gender identity, disability, language ability, ideology, social class, occupation, appearance (height, weight, hair color, etc.), mental capacity, and any other distinction that might be considered by some as a liability. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hate_speech On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:29 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: No hate dude, just bored as many to see you keep on spamming here. No one likes you (not a myth), your topics sucks, your news relay style is useless, and the most boring is your unknowledged vision of security. Just shut the fuck up, learn, think, and maybe post if it's usefull. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 10:09 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: @n3tcr4p: it's not a single opinion, just read your mail archives. Yeah you said that already now stop sharing your hate speech with the world. Terrorist. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: which propaganda ? you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. But i understand why now : http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and participating in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. Everything is clearer than ever. 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, a.l.m.bu...@lboro.ac.uk wrote: Hi, I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was setup. because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are created? go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here). and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want (security related or not). Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam. Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a) ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend themselves (or oppose their propaganda). As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist the rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and you are back with a readable FD. Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being readable, are not computer security related either (at least without wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security'). So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it is), andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is). Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy here. ala ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama
Considering they haven't banned the Palestinian propaganda that has been going around here, everything is allowed. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:06 PM, andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote: I'm the only one who thinks cyber security politics are allowed on full-disclosure? Andrew On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 6:57 PM, Peter Bruderer peter.brude...@brg.ch wrote: You are the only one with this opinion. So shut up now and leave. Peter On 22.01.2009, at 19:50, andrew.wallace wrote: Cyber security politics are allowed. Andrew ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
Advil? On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Miller Grey vigilantgregor...@gmail.comwrote: ...my head hurts... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 6:42 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: while playing at war with them neighbors. Yes, 'playing' in a war that the Arabs started. And winning that war. If i was forced to have a redneck neighbor zionist integrist like you, i would too. What? Be a loser? I would start a war too. understand now ? You could have just answered yes to my question. , which is totally understandable It was not up to them. Well they are the first concerned. Concerned about what? Arabians are the first concerned about having a new hostil neighbor Israel was never hostile to the Arab countries - on the contrary, the Arab countries were hostile to Israel, started a war and shamefully lost, against all odds. israel also made a nuclear bomb illegaly Prove that. It's allready proven. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_states_with_nuclear_weapons#Undeclared_nuclear_states http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Israel/index.html No - http://www.letmegooglethatforyou.com/?q=define%3Aproof You really need to start discerning facts from opinion They have the bomb and everyone know that. There's a clear distinction between beleifs and knowledge. Everyone beleives Israel have nukes. Nobody (other than those who need to), knows for certain. So yes it's a FACT Recheck the definition in the dictionary. Not an opinion, there's proof Show it. , and israel didn't said yes, and didn't said no, which confirm that they have it. Why would Israel say no, when it scares the crap out of you and your buddies? Or maybe it's once again a conspiracy against israel :(. The bigger problems with zionist, is they control most of the medias around the world, most of the banks, them community are pretty strong around. Making/doing propaganda is an easy game for them, you cant touch jews, because as avraham do, everytime you hit them, Sure... It's all just 1 huge big conspiracy against you. Nop, no conspiracy, just a FACT. Read above. Still a FACT . Read above. they play the holocaust card. I didn't bring up the holocaust - you did by comparing Israel to the Nazis. First i never compared israel to the nazis (or prove it), secondly you did bring up holocaust: - http://seclists.org/fulldisclosure/2009/Jan/0736.html It is apparent that you, handrix and all the other gmail pseudo-names you use are the same individual - so it does not matter under which handle you have chosen to make this claim. But if you would not like to be held responsible for that statement under this handle, I'm fine with it - consider it as proof against the claims you made under the other handle you were using. Omagad, that's a good one, do you really believe that only one person here hate you or the zionist ? Anyways just look at the writing style, spelling, grammar, and opinion you would notice if you're mentaly stable that it's different persons. I took your advice, looked at the writing style, spelling, grammer and opinion - and I came to the conclusion that you are a sick and retarded individual. As you got to understand that a lots of people do not like the US, for what they've done in central ameriqua for exemple Use a spell checker or something... Go fuck yourself, is that well spelled ? Yes, but completely irrelevant. Nop it's pertinant. Read above. , dont you remember, talibans was good terrorists when they was fighting agains communists, now that they fight against US, they are bad terrorists. You agree that they are terrorists then? I agree on the fact that you're pathetic. How did you arrive at that conclusion? just reading your posts Great. Had enough? stifles yourself with your propaganda. Your English sucks for someone trying to do propaganda on a ComSec mailing list. It's well written, open up your english to hebrew translator, and once again go fuck yourself. I can read and write in English just fine without the help of a translator - you on the other hand need to work on your grammar and spelling, as well as wash you mouth and fingers with plenty of soap. Well if you cant understand the phrase : stifles yourself with your propaganda. http://www.thefreedictionary.com/stifle v. sti·fled, sti·fling, sti·fles v.tr. 1. To interrupt or cut off (the voice, for example). 2. To keep in or hold back; repress: stifled my indignation. 3. To kill by preventing respiration; smother or suffocate.-- this is the one (suffocate) :) See you should open up your translator sometimes You are a retard - go check your grammar. btw what's that fixation thing with
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
Nop, you spread yours. Anyways you got pwned, no doubt it's you, you have the same profile mofo, and in the same situation you'll do the same. Die in the same grave than n3td3v. 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: which propaganda ? you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. But i understand why now : http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and participating in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. Everything is clearer than ever. 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, a.l.m.bu...@lboro.ac.uk wrote: Hi, I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was setup. because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are created? go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here). and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want (security related or not). Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam. Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a) ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend themselves (or oppose their propaganda). As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist the rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and you are back with a readable FD. Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being readable, are not computer security related either (at least without wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security'). So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it is), andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is). Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy here. ala ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you to jump off a bridge would you do it? Andrew Intelligencer Founder of n3td3v On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: which propaganda ? you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. But i understand why now : http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and participating in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. Everything is clearer than ever. 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, a.l.m.bu...@lboro.ac.uk wrote: Hi, I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was setup. because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are created? go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here). and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want (security related or not). Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam. Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a) ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend themselves (or oppose their propaganda). As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist the rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and you are back with a readable FD. Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being readable, are not computer security related either (at least without wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security'). So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it is), andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is). Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy here. ala ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:16 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Nop you spread yours. Yes, if that's what you call answering your propaganda with facts that disprove it. You're making your fact up via your propaganda, fucker. Anyways you got pwned, no doubt it's you, you have the same profile mofo, and in the same situation you'll do the same. I guess I can't prove to you that it's not me - but then again, I don't need to either. Besides, what's your point? (not that I care) My point is that it explain most of your free propaganda, aka palestinian =evil, israel = Good. Any conflict have two side, i guess you've misse one while throwing rocks. Die in the same grave than n3td3v. Fix your damn English kid. OMG you should read your conversations on this mailing-list, you've made some mistake too bitch. Anyways if your last defense is to critizice my english it's because i'm right, and then you're wrong. avri.schnei...@gmail.com ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something EVIL. this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking brown noze. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you to jump off a bridge would you do it? Andrew Intelligencer Founder of n3td3v On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: which propaganda ? you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. But i understand why now : http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and participating in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. Everything is clearer than ever. 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, a.l.m.bu...@lboro.ac.uk wrote: Hi, I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was setup. because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are created? go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here). and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want (security related or not). Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam. Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a) ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend themselves (or oppose their propaganda). As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist the rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and you are back with a readable FD. Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being readable, are not computer security related either (at least without wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security'). So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it is), andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is). Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy here. ala ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
***Do not try to mix up things, you're hitting a rock. 2009/1/22 j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com So if i understand well here : I CANT be against israel wars propaganda (nothing new here, my buddie avraham does make it clear since the beginning) And if i'm against n3tcr4p it's because i'm ureleet or something ? Well dear n3tcr4p, some persons around are going to approve my points about you, even if they likes me or not, we have the same vision about you. Do not try to mix up things, your hitting a rock. 2009/1/22 j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something EVIL. this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking brown noze. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you to jump off a bridge would you do it? Andrew Intelligencer Founder of n3td3v On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: which propaganda ? you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. But i understand why now : http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and participating in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. Everything is clearer than ever. 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, a.l.m.bu...@lboro.ac.uk wrote: Hi, I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was setup. because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are created? go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here). and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want (security related or not). Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam. Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a) ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend themselves (or oppose their propaganda). As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist the rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and you are back with a readable FD. Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being readable, are not computer security related either (at least without wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security'). So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it is), andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is). Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy here. ala ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:38 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: i work for fucking IRAN Things like this shouldn't be joked about unless you're serious. :) ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
[Full-disclosure] Jesus was jew !
Well there's 4 points that prove Jesus was a jew: - he live 33 years with his mom - he believed for 33 years since his mother was a virgin - she tell everyone that is son was God - and he mounted a multi-national business OhOhOh ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e. baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions) And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic English). That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists). But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer security related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security related), when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated to computer security_? On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something EVIL. this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking brown noze. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you to jump off a bridge would you do it? Andrew Intelligencer Founder of n3td3v On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: which propaganda ? you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. But i understand why now : http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and participating in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. Everything is clearer than ever. 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, a.l.m.bu...@lboro.ac.uk wrote: Hi, I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was setup. because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are created? go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here). and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want (security related or not). Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam. Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a) ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend themselves (or oppose their propaganda). As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist the rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and you are back with a readable FD. Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being readable, are not computer security related either (at least without wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security'). So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it is), andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is). Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy here. ala ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure
Re: [Full-disclosure] Jesus was jew !
How old are you kid? Really? On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:59 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Well there's 4 points that prove Jesus was a jew: - he live 33 years with his mom - he believed for 33 years since his mother was a virgin - she tell everyone that is son was God - and he mounted a multi-national business OhOhOh ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
hey bitch, you're the first to spread propaganda here, then STFU. You've got no creditbility here. 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e. baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions) And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic English). That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists). But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer security related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security related), when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated to computer security_? On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something EVIL. this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking brown noze. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you to jump off a bridge would you do it? Andrew Intelligencer Founder of n3td3v On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: which propaganda ? you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. But i understand why now : http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and participating in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. Everything is clearer than ever. 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, a.l.m.bu...@lboro.ac.uk wrote: Hi, I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was setup. because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are created? go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here). and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want (security related or not). Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam. Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a) ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend themselves (or oppose their propaganda). As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist the rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and you are back with a readable FD. Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being readable, are not computer security related either (at least without wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security'). So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it is), andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is). Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy here. ala ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter:
Re: [Full-disclosure] Jesus was jew !
Ah you understand now, how easy is to make propaganda ? Then read up your message send on this mailing list, it's all about that. Die corporal 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com How old are you kid? Really? On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:59 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Well there's 4 points that prove Jesus was a jew: - he live 33 years with his mom - he believed for 33 years since his mother was a virgin - she tell everyone that is son was God - and he mounted a multi-national business OhOhOh ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
I would love to know j-f sentier's views on President Barack Obama, maybe he is against him as well. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e. baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions) And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic English). That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists). But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer security related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security related), when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated to computer security_? On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something EVIL. this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking brown noze. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you to jump off a bridge would you do it? Andrew Intelligencer Founder of n3td3v On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: which propaganda ? you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. But i understand why now : http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and participating in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. Everything is clearer than ever. 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, a.l.m.bu...@lboro.ac.uk wrote: Hi, I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was setup. because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are created? go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here). and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want (security related or not). Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam. Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a) ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend themselves (or oppose their propaganda). As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist the rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and you are back with a readable FD. Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being readable, are not computer security related either (at least without wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security'). So for the same reason you find it OK to post your request (and it is), andrew finds it OK to posts his (and it is). Not trying to defend n3td3v or anything - but there's some hypocricy here. ala ___
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
Wrong again trisomic. I do like him very much for the moment let's see what he does globally. Anyways as many persons says here, it's not the place to do so. If you're glad and happy about obama, just tell him : http://jointhewave.com And then shut the fuck up here. Die soon mofo. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com I would love to know j-f sentier's views on President Barack Obama, maybe he is against him as well. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e. baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions) And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic English). That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists). But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer security related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security related), when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated to computer security_? On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something EVIL. this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking brown noze. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you to jump off a bridge would you do it? Andrew Intelligencer Founder of n3td3v On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: which propaganda ? you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. But i understand why now : http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and participating in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. Everything is clearer than ever. 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, a.l.m.bu...@lboro.ac.uk wrote: Hi, I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was setup. because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are created? go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here). and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want (security related or not). Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam. Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a) ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend themselves (or oppose their propaganda). As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist the rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and you are back with a readable FD. Just
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
Please moderator, close this thread. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com I would love to know j-f sentier's views on President Barack Obama, maybe he is against him as well. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e. baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions) And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic English). That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists). But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer security related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security related), when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated to computer security_? On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something EVIL. this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking brown noze. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you to jump off a bridge would you do it? Andrew Intelligencer Founder of n3td3v On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: which propaganda ? you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. But i understand why now : http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and participating in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. Everything is clearer than ever. 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, a.l.m.bu...@lboro.ac.uk wrote: Hi, I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was setup. because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are created? go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here). and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want (security related or not). Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam. Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a) ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend themselves (or oppose their propaganda). As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist the rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and you are back with a readable FD. Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being readable, are not computer security related either (at least without wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer security'). So for the same reason you find it OK
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:34 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:16 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Nop you spread yours. Yes, if that's what you call answering your propaganda with facts that disprove it. You're making your fact up via your propaganda, fucker. if it's fact, it can not be 'made up'. If it is coming as response to your claims - it is not propaganda. And your dirty language does not add to your credibility. Anyways you got pwned, no doubt it's you, you have the same profile mofo, and in the same situation you'll do the same. I guess I can't prove to you that it's not me - but then again, I don't need to either. Besides, what's your point? (not that I care) My point is that it explain most of your free propaganda, aka palestinian =evil, israel = Good. free propaganda? what's that? how does it compare to expensive propaganda? And how does it _explain my propaganda_, when all I do is respond to your claims (i.e. there's no propaganda)? And why do you think anyone on this list cares about it? Is it computer security related? Why don't you answer this question? Any conflict have two side, i guess you've misse one while throwing rocks. Yes, and in this case - a Good Israel, and an Evil Palestinians. If throwing rocks at them would make them stop their terror attacks on Israel, I'd do that. It obviously won't help, so why should I do it? Besides, the IDF can take care of those terrorists with better tools, so I will let them do their job while I do mine (computer security - what's your's btw?). Die in the same grave than n3td3v. Fix your damn English kid. OMG you should read your conversations on this mailing-list, you've made some mistake too bitch. Yes, true - I admit to making a few mistakes - but at least I'm readable. Why do you have to use curse words in every sentence? Grow up already. Anyways if your last defense is to critizice my english it's because i'm right, and then you're wrong. Your assumption is wrong. I did not use it as last, or any defense - simply as a constructive critisism. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Jesus was jew !
Did i need to say again that i still believe that Avraham is pay to say so ? Even if i know that some integrist ziononist like Avraham are themself proud to say so ? Well look some stuff is defensible, but the fact we've throw at him are not ...and he stills. Make your conclusion by yourself. 2009/1/22 j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com Ah you understand now, how easy is to make propaganda ? Then read up your message send on this mailing list, it's all about that. Die corporal 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com How old are you kid? Really? On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:59 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Well there's 4 points that prove Jesus was a jew: - he live 33 years with his mom - he believed for 33 years since his mother was a virgin - she tell everyone that is son was God - and he mounted a multi-national business OhOhOh ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:03 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: hey bitch, you're the first to spread propaganda here, then STFU. this mailing list is archived online - it's not difficult to prove you wrong, but you ignore reality so I'm not going to bother (it's too easy for others to do if they really cared) You've got no creditbility here. Why, because you say so? What did you do for computer security lately? 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e. baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions) And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic English). That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists). But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer security related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security related), when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated to computer security_? On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something EVIL. this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking brown noze. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you to jump off a bridge would you do it? Andrew Intelligencer Founder of n3td3v On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: which propaganda ? you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. But i understand why now : http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and participating in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. Everything is clearer than ever. 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, a.l.m.bu...@lboro.ac.uk wrote: Hi, I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was setup. because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are created? go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here). and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want (security related or not). Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam. Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a) ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend themselves (or oppose their propaganda). As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist the rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and you are back with a readable FD. Just keep in mind that your posts requesting FD to go back to being readable, are not computer security related either (at least without wickedly twisting the meaning of the phrase 'computer
Re: [Full-disclosure] Jesus was jew !
Advice - Call your doctor asap and tell him/her you need new pills. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:27 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Did i need to say again that i still believe that Avraham is pay to say so ? Even if i know that some integrist ziononist like Avraham are themself proud to say so ? Well look some stuff is defensible, but the fact we've throw at him are not ...and he stills. Make your conclusion by yourself. 2009/1/22 j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com Ah you understand now, how easy is to make propaganda ? Then read up your message send on this mailing list, it's all about that. Die corporal 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com How old are you kid? Really? On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:59 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote: Well there's 4 points that prove Jesus was a jew: - he live 33 years with his mom - he believed for 33 years since his mother was a virgin - she tell everyone that is son was God - and he mounted a multi-national business OhOhOh ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
This is a mailing list where your messages are being sent to WORLD governments, you should be careful what your speech says. All i'm reading so far is you're from IRAN spreading hate speech about various things, and you've yet to deny it as a joke. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:19 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Wrong again trisomic. I do like him very much for the moment let's see what he does globally. Anyways as many persons says here, it's not the place to do so. If you're glad and happy about obama, just tell him : http://jointhewave.com And then shut the fuck up here. Die soon mofo. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com I would love to know j-f sentier's views on President Barack Obama, maybe he is against him as well. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:01 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e. baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions) And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic English). That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists). But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer security related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security related), when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated to computer security_? On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something EVIL. this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking brown noze. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you to jump off a bridge would you do it? Andrew Intelligencer Founder of n3td3v On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: which propaganda ? you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. But i understand why now : http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and participating in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. Everything is clearer than ever. 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, a.l.m.bu...@lboro.ac.uk wrote: Hi, I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was setup. because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are created? go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here). and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want (security related or not). Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam. Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a) ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend themselves (or oppose their propaganda). As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
And you ? Please tell me god, i know i'm an inferior human being regarding you, but please tell me 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:03 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: hey bitch, you're the first to spread propaganda here, then STFU. this mailing list is archived online - it's not difficult to prove you wrong, but you ignore reality so I'm not going to bother (it's too easy for others to do if they really cared) You've got no creditbility here. Why, because you say so? What did you do for computer security lately? 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e. baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions) And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic English). That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists). But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer security related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security related), when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated to computer security_? On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote: yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something EVIL. this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking brown noze. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you to jump off a bridge would you do it? Andrew Intelligencer Founder of n3td3v On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: which propaganda ? you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. But i understand why now : http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and participating in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. Everything is clearer than ever. 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, a.l.m.bu...@lboro.ac.uk wrote: Hi, I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was setup. because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are created? go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here). and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want (security related or not). Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam. Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a) ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend themselves (or oppose their propaganda). As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist the rest; if you care not to get any andrew wallase/avraham schneider/js sentier/whatever/whoever conversations - set a filter for that - and you are back with a readable FD. Just keep in mind that your posts
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
You make less and less sense with every post you make. You are delusional. Ask for help (not online). On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:34 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: And you ? Please tell me god, i know i'm an inferior human being regarding you, but please tell me 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 2:03 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: hey bitch, you're the first to spread propaganda here, then STFU. this mailing list is archived online - it's not difficult to prove you wrong, but you ignore reality so I'm not going to bother (it's too easy for others to do if they really cared) You've got no creditbility here. Why, because you say so? What did you do for computer security lately? 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com the fact that you express your opinions on a political manner in a comsec mailing list and they happen to be copied from terrorist propaganda (i.e. baseless, ignores reality, full of lies and distortions) And when you are presented with facts that contradict what you said, you shift the argument to baseless character attacks (with your pathetic English). That basically proves you are here to do propaganda - either voluntarily (because you are EVIL) - or because you are paid to do it by evil people/governments (like Iran, who is known to support terrorists). But it does not explain why you expect n3td3v to stop his computer security related discussions (that are not technical, but computer security related), when you don't stop your propaganda that is _completely unrelated to computer security_? On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:38 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.comwrote: yeah totally, i work for fucking IRAN punk, if i'm agains free israeli bull-shit, and n3tcr4p , then i'm ureleet or Iran propaganda or something EVIL. this prove your closed-mind side which in this case turns in a fucking brown noze. 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com Remember in the Palestine war thread he accused you for working for Mossad and being paid to post on full-disclosure. Though he propagandas against n3td3v constantly to turn the world against me or something. Maybe its j-f sentier who is paid to be here and propaganda against things. He may not be a terrorist but he uses terrorist like tactics to turn hatred on. j-f sentier's defence will be, 'but 'Ureleet' done it so it must be ok to join in'. If 'Ureleet' told you to jump off a bridge would you do it? Andrew Intelligencer Founder of n3td3v On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 11:05 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The fact that he bears the same name as me, does not mean it's me. I don't spam propaganda - I invalidate yours. On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:16 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: which propaganda ? you're spamming propaganda everytime you post. But i understand why now : http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1049327.html The footage also shows an Israeli soldier, believed by the military police to be Corporal Avraham Schneider, picking up stones and participating in the disturbance, instead of preventing it. Everything is clearer than ever. 2009/1/22 Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 9:35 PM, a.l.m.bu...@lboro.ac.uk wrote: Hi, I called for John Cartwright to setup a non-technical cyber security political full-disclosure mailing list some time ago, nothing was setup. because he didnt want to - and theres no demand? What are the solutions for splitting up full-disclosure into technical and non-technical conversation unless two seperate mailing lists are created? go off and create a yahoo or google mailing list for such drivel I second that. If he wants to have a list for different types of discussions, the best choice is to just open one yourself. As for getting 'traffic' there, I doubt people would stop posting here and start posting there (as nothing would stop them from posting it here). and let FD go back to what it was a few years back - readable and useful! FD is un-moderated and as such people can post whatever they want (security related or not). Usually, people would avoid annoying others with non-security related topics - but in the case of js-sentiner and co., one can expect some spam. Sometimes, when they decide to attack others (either with propaganda, or just because they are bored) , those attacked have two options - either a) ignore it or b) respond with non-security related posts and defend themselves (or oppose their propaganda). As far as readibility is concerned, that can easily be accomplished by either white or black list filters - i.e. if you only care about a certain vendor's patch notifications, put a filter to get them and blacklist the rest; if you care not to get any
[Full-disclosure] [ MDVSA-2009:025 ] pidgin
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ___ Mandriva Linux Security Advisory MDVSA-2009:025 http://www.mandriva.com/security/ ___ Package : pidgin Date: January 22, 2009 Affected: 2008.1 ___ Problem Description: The NSS plugin in libpurple in Pidgin 2.4.1 does not verify SSL certificates, which makes it easier for remote attackers to trick a user into accepting an invalid server certificate for a spoofed service. (CVE-2008-3532) Pidgin 2.4.1 allows remote attackers to cause a denial of service (crash) via a long filename that contains certain characters, as demonstrated using an MSN message that triggers the crash in the msn_slplink_process_msg function. (CVE-2008-2955) The UPnP functionality in Pidgin 2.0.0, and possibly other versions, allows remote attackers to trigger the download of arbitrary files and cause a denial of service (memory or disk consumption) via a UDP packet that specifies an arbitrary URL. (CVE-2008-2957) The updated packages have been patched to fix these issues. ___ References: http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2008-2955 http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2008-2957 http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2008-3532 ___ Updated Packages: Mandriva Linux 2008.1: 8d986cf90ce366f40da1ed22f99227e2 2008.1/i586/finch-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.i586.rpm 1591abeaedbde92f9e851fc163ecbc14 2008.1/i586/libfinch0-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.i586.rpm 81b2f07e1a3e82683dd761e913630ae8 2008.1/i586/libpurple0-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.i586.rpm bc958e4178ea9037b2faef5e46fdc367 2008.1/i586/libpurple-devel-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.i586.rpm 9ad56f8214068aa578c74de4476b6a21 2008.1/i586/pidgin-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.i586.rpm 97e7beb6d69c8cd48427845537cd7092 2008.1/i586/pidgin-bonjour-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.i586.rpm 4bc7839dba2efbe27fb814be39c0e2d3 2008.1/i586/pidgin-client-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.i586.rpm 551a0888b40c5b234f14d9814a9249d2 2008.1/i586/pidgin-gevolution-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.i586.rpm 86ccded472fa0974e1a28be7d559ff4a 2008.1/i586/pidgin-i18n-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.i586.rpm 37869e45dee88264c183faf4f4ad5140 2008.1/i586/pidgin-meanwhile-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.i586.rpm 0c424324da44beb62b61243106fc3599 2008.1/i586/pidgin-mono-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.i586.rpm c61e9c1cd651abcc805970df7dcae18a 2008.1/i586/pidgin-perl-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.i586.rpm fbc16077149cff9111bda6ada529ef5f 2008.1/i586/pidgin-silc-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.i586.rpm f97215d6643336a155e298a404386d7e 2008.1/i586/pidgin-tcl-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.i586.rpm a7816e51fd0c35798accad228aa67be9 2008.1/SRPMS/pidgin-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.src.rpm Mandriva Linux 2008.1/X86_64: 63ba74e6aeae1f940cdd4b5d6af3128b 2008.1/x86_64/finch-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.x86_64.rpm c9cbed1c7267fd449e6c26ad8454e438 2008.1/x86_64/lib64finch0-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.x86_64.rpm 739eeb3e632023f89acd9e4baf826590 2008.1/x86_64/lib64purple0-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.x86_64.rpm e63ce782ee2e8b9e157fa85ccd7f4511 2008.1/x86_64/lib64purple-devel-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.x86_64.rpm e80d06d3e544b29f406c291a23b005b8 2008.1/x86_64/pidgin-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.x86_64.rpm 5aa3f2383fd83b025efa28bf9b6d817d 2008.1/x86_64/pidgin-bonjour-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.x86_64.rpm cea0458cbf8fb2e16131e33a7f1e2587 2008.1/x86_64/pidgin-client-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.x86_64.rpm 54327daad8ed2658fe9c9bbe8482f388 2008.1/x86_64/pidgin-gevolution-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.x86_64.rpm 08d375b245f16b41077e6e9baf82c6df 2008.1/x86_64/pidgin-i18n-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.x86_64.rpm 536edfbb015f173dcc09a7c4481b20cd 2008.1/x86_64/pidgin-meanwhile-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.x86_64.rpm 6747c3d56d317d3733bea26a2d18fe9a 2008.1/x86_64/pidgin-mono-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.x86_64.rpm ae3767379a0ccbcc577d8521fbed8432 2008.1/x86_64/pidgin-perl-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.x86_64.rpm 5e8b1bfd757e596536e0c0fa8f680aea 2008.1/x86_64/pidgin-silc-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.x86_64.rpm 9b2f9b0732f14981423f57454e68b3b1 2008.1/x86_64/pidgin-tcl-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.x86_64.rpm a7816e51fd0c35798accad228aa67be9 2008.1/SRPMS/pidgin-2.4.1-2.3mdv2008.1.src.rpm ___ To upgrade automatically use MandrivaUpdate or urpmi. The verification of md5 checksums and GPG signatures is performed automatically for you. All packages are signed by Mandriva for security. You can obtain the GPG public key of the Mandriva Security Team by executing: gpg --recv-keys --keyserver pgp.mit.edu 0x22458A98 You can view other update advisories for Mandriva Linux at: http://www.mandriva.com/security/advisories If you want to report vulnerabilities, please contact security_(at)_mandriva.com
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: Besides, the IDF can take care of those terrorists with better tools, so I will let them do their job while I do mine (computer security - what's your's btw?). He works for the Iranian government and spreading hate speech, yet to be denied as a joke. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
Learn to read think first LTRTF 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: Besides, the IDF can take care of those terrorists with better tools, so I will let them do their job while I do mine (computer security - what's your's btw?). He works for the Iranian government and spreading hate speech, yet to be denied as a joke. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
Who do you work for? On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:34 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Learn to read think first LTRTF 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: Besides, the IDF can take care of those terrorists with better tools, so I will let them do their job while I do mine (computer security - what's your's btw?). He works for the Iranian government and spreading hate speech, yet to be denied as a joke. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:06 AM, andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote: I'm the only one who thinks cyber security politics are allowed on full-disclosure? You're the only one on this list that thinks a lot of things. -- ciao JT ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Barack Obama -- Not Appropriate
MIB On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:39 PM, andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com wrote: Who do you work for? On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 1:34 AM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: Learn to read think first LTRTF 2009/1/22 andrew.wallace andrew.wall...@rocketmail.com On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 12:22 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: Besides, the IDF can take care of those terrorists with better tools, so I will let them do their job while I do mine (computer security - what's your's btw?). He works for the Iranian government and spreading hate speech, yet to be denied as a joke. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] Jesus was jew !
Advice - don't live in a bubble believing everything your zionist scum brothers spout. While you acted like the coward that you are and never fought for your country, something you zionist scum force on each other, you can show your support for your dying devils from the comfort of your keyboard. Very very very pathetic. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 7:33 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: Advice - Call your doctor asap and tell him/her you need new pills. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] MS seems to live in the past
Did you really just post this? ...really? Take this garbage to fun-sec, where it's the exact opposite of fun-sec but quite appropriate. On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 3:46 PM, Paul Szabo p...@maths.usyd.edu.au wrote: Just cute, probably no security implications... I am in the habit of regularly checking for new stuff on the Microsoft Security Advisories website http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/default.mspx Up until a few days ago, it said Updated December 30, 2008 or somesuch; cannot remember what the last advisory was, probably something about SSL certificates. Checking this morning, it says Updated: October 23, 2008 and the last advisory shown there or on http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/archive.mspx is dated 14 Oct. For example, the advisory Microsoft Security Advisory (960906) Vulnerability in WordPad Text Converter Could Allow Remote Code Execution http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/960906.mspx is missing. Did MS revert into the past? (Did their server crash, was replaced with a not-so-hot-spare, or recovered from old backups?) Cheers, Paul Szabo p...@maths.usyd.edu.au http://www.maths.usyd.edu.au/u/psz/ School of Mathematics and Statistics University of SydneyAustralia ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] MS seems to live in the past
On Fri, Jan 23, 2009 at 6:11 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote: Take this garbage to fun-sec He doesn't want to be part of an Israeli mailing list though, does he? :) ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
