Re: [Full-disclosure] The war in Palestine
Wow, this is a great thread everyone! Very informative, lots of interesting points and I appreciate how everyone is avoiding ad-hominem attacks. This is almost as good as 4chan! I do have a few questions though: If Israel is so evil, why doesn't the IDF just nuke the Palestinians and put an end to this stupid argument? Or, if the Palestinians are right, why doesn't someone/Allah take pity on them, give them some nukes and let them put an end to this stupid argument? I'm serious, these rockets Hamas seems intent on using is the equivalent of bringing a knife to a gun fight. Won't someone think of the children? I'm sure everyone here on FD would appreciate this issue being resolved once and for all so we can get back to something useful. kthxbye! -Rants On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 3:43 PM, j-f sentier j.sent...@gmail.com wrote: I 'm was not an antisemitist, but now I become one. there's difference between jews and sionist, as i said before jews != sionist and i'm trully antisionist, and this get enforced when i listen free propaganda like Avraham does Also Mr schneider, you forgot an important fact : Palestinian are resistants, not terrorists there's a true difference on that one, but i see you comming no no they're terrorist, they throw rockets around the border and kill innocent israelis Well in this case, the resistants in world war 2 should be also called terrorist. Also for your information, the true meaning of the word terrorist is very close to mercenary. A protester is not a terrorist, or shall i call you a terrorist because you protest with weapons agains palestinian ? See propaganda starts right here :) 2009/1/18 ghost gho...@gmail.com lmao! OH I GET IT! See, it's fact when the zionist scum say it. BUT IF YOU ARENT A ZIONIST JEW then everything you say is a complete lie and made up. You're really winning your argument and changing peoples mind about israel. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:49 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: Here you go - http://tinyurl.com/6v45l5 http://tinyurl.com/lu4et Have fun reading facts... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:41 AM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: sure - take btselem's word for it... a bunch of Palestinians and a British jurnalist that says: I would stress that I looked only at the Israeli side because of the new factor - Israel setting up a special unit to improve the projection of its arguments around the world. paul.reynolds-inter...@bbc.co.uk Basically a jurnalist that admits to being biased and a group of Palestinians - really credible... On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:30 AM, ghost gho...@gmail.com wrote: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7809371.stm http://www.btselem.org/English/Gaza_Strip/20081231_Army_bombs_metal_workshop_in_Gaza.asp Yes, see, its just a huge mass conspiracy, the whole world is against israel and makes this stuff up. They would never release lies and propaganda video. NEVER! It's not in the Zionist scum blood to lie! NO SIR! NEVER! The BBC is ran by Palestine! Label me not surprised, if someone disagrees with zionist scum they are labeled as either self hating if they are Jewish, or mentally unstable. Your mothers a whore and your father holds the money. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 5:09 PM, Avraham Schneider avri.schnei...@gmail.com wrote: The topic does not change much on this discussion, so if you really cared that much for the signal to noise ratio, you would have filtered the topic out - especially since you use gmail... It seems that you are enjoying this thread since you have been following it so far, and even bothered responding to the thread. I myself am not enjoying the thread, I respond for a totally different reason - to disprove false claims made as part of a propaganda campain going on here. I hope you understand - if not - you are welcome to take the filtering advice, and if even that does not make you happy - I guess you will have to continue being unhappy. Cheers. On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:49 PM, them.r...@gmail.com wrote: Innovative solution to all your problems, on both sides: stop discussing politics on FD. I was under the impression this was supposed to be about compsec, not alt.politics.middleeast. Doesn't matter who -is- right, from here it looks like a bunch of kids using slightly more sophisticated arguments. Understand? Someone is wrong on the internet, shocker, that one. You guys aren't going to change each other's minds, so what you're doing is a waste of time and lowering the noise to signal ratio. Grow up. Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel -Original Message- From: ghost gho...@gmail.com Date: Sun, 18 Jan 2009 16:39:01 To: Full
Re: [Full-disclosure] This is WAR!
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 8:18 AM, Kyle Bader kyle.ba...@gmail.com wrote: :q! I think you meant: :wq! After all, you should save this thread for later! -Rants ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] e-Holocaust
I think we'd all have a lot more respect if e.hitler (I still laugh every time I say that!) and his buddies did something actually worthwhile that would make a real difference. Like volunteering for a charity which is collecting for the innocent Palestinians who are loosing their homes, schools, etc for example. Or how about writing his elected officials to put pressure on the Israeli's to let the Red Cross and other aid agencies in? Instead he's done the internet equivalent of throwing toilet paper on the neighbors house in the middle of the night. Yes, someone is pissed off now and had to clean it up, but it's just a sophomoric prank which doesn't mean anything in the world. It makes him and his buddies feel good like they're doing something, but the adults on this forum know better. Notice nobody in the news is reporting that e.hitler and his merry men are wreaking havoc. Even so-called news sites like slashdot are ignoring it... why? because it's not news and nobody gives a shit. When they hack into the Mossad or IDF let me know. But they're just lame script kiddies who don't have the skills or balls to pull that off. And yes, people like myself without any skin in the game do have a role- to point out to the rest of the world when the emperor has no clothes. If e.hitler doesn't like it, he can always crawl back into his hole and stop posting. -Rants On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 11:50 AM, Meshinkah Meshinkah meshin...@gmail.comwrote: wow...u people are pathetic.. Ok, enough with all the bullshit. Everyone in here is talking acting like a smartass who actually tried doing any better. I dont know if the so called e.hitler can live up to any of his global scale message claims, nor do i know if he his actions will speak louder than words as he says. All i know is the guy is utilising what he's got, tryina fight for his cause and views, while you guys are making fun of the name :S. Now whether he does that or not, at least he actually tried to make a real difference, instead of posting a i support gaza as a fb status, or as an msn pm. Now if anyone here sees himself capable of doin a better change, i suggest he show us. Anyone arguing he has no skin in this doesnt have to interfere making fun of the people who tried with all the effort and resources they got, no matter how small, to fight for their cause. You either contribute to your side, or stay just stay away and let the people who are interested in the issue serve their side. I respect the guy, whether he succeeds or fails. ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] e-Holocaust
On Mon, Jan 12, 2009 at 5:57 AM, e.hit...@hush.ai wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Right, your attempts at ranting, making a very obvious comment, or whatever that is you are doing is pretty stupid.. Right... we're the one's looking stupid here. I take it you haven't looked in the mirror recently? We decided to put this in a little diagram for people like you to understand better: [ PHASE 1 ] | | -- Gain access on Israeli webservers / websites / databases ( yes, that means that if the website / database / webserver contains any israeli content on it, it is a potential target, so spair us the 'omg this is a US box' 'omg this is a .com' ) [ PHASE 2 ] | | -- Use access to collect information ( Includes databases, source code, emails, etc.. ), and use the access eventually to send a message, if we need to... if not, we will just delete all the information on the server.. [ PHASE 3 ] | | -- Use information collected to make more damage... and repeat... Thank you for explaining it to me- it's so much clearer now. Based on this new information, I take it your local religious leader told you hacking some pointless websites and looking like an idiot in front of thousands of people on full-disclosure wasn't worth even a single virgin in heaven then? So now unless you have something to add about this, don't waste your time and ours... Oh, I've got *lots* to add! This is fun! P.S: that pinky and brain comment, wow... you just destroyed us with that, it was totally demolishing to our goals... good job... - You mean you have other goals then make fools of yourselves on full-discolsure? Personally I think it went something like this: e.brain: Do you know what we're going to do tonight e.hitler? e.hitler: No, what e.brain? e.brain: Take over the world! e.hitler: Narf! How'a we going do that e.brain? e.brain: Step 1: Hack some worthless websites! Step 2: Make fools of ourselves on full-disclosure and make everyone laugh so hard they won't see us while we do Step 3! e.hitler: What's step 3 e.brain? e.brain: Take over the world! e.hitler: Wow! That's a greatest plan ever e.brain. Narf! As for your name, yes, your name sucks. Putting e in front of things is so pre-dot-com bust it's not even funny. It's like you're partying like it's still 1999. If you wanted to be hip, everyone knows you're supposed to use an i. And then let's look at the whole hitler/holocaust thing. Hitler was a bad ass. Started a world war and millions of people died due to the war waging across the entire globe and of course the concentration camps. In comparison, you've hacked a few worthless websites and then made an ass of yourself trying to get credit for it. Does the phrase delusions of grandeur mean anything to you? And you claim there are others... do you have e.stalin and e.mussolini on your team too? Why don't they post? Maybe because they're smarter then you? (Hitler was always the stupid one... he started the Russian front!) Oh and finally, you do realize Hitler lost! The fucker killed himself when the Americans and Russians surrounded Berlin. Ever consider doing the same? Seriously, I think you'd get more props and respect if you named yourselves Team G.I. Joe and you called yourself Snake Eyes... Snake Eyes was bad ass... all those ninja skills and he couldn't talk- so he never made an ass of himself unlike you. -Rants ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
Re: [Full-disclosure] WTF people?
If you want to solve the problem, then you and people like you need to: Step 1: Filter out n3td3v, urleet, etc so you never see their posts or replies to them. ie: filter the noise Step 2: Post something that you think is relevant to the list. ie: add to the signal Step 3: Profit! Notice there is no step which reads: Whine and complain about the noise on the list like a little girl.- because clearly that's proven not to be effective. -Rants On Sun, Jan 11, 2009 at 1:49 PM, Will McAfee sec-commun...@thegoodhacker.com wrote: I have lurked for some time, and really, this list has become pathetic due to it's hiijacking by two or three trolls with nothing better to do than destroy the relevant signal to noise ratio. This list is not about MI5, the NSA, or Mossad unless there is something practical to be learned from them. I do not care about the information war between Russia and Georgia unless it is about the systems used. Think of this list as like a trade correspondence journal, not a public tackboard. Sent from my iPhone ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/ -- - Rants ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.grok.org.uk/full-disclosure-charter.html Hosted and sponsored by Secunia - http://secunia.com/
